Originally Posted by emcdade
There, I said it.
They sound very good on acoustic music and jazz. But if you desire to ever put on some hard rock music, they completely fall apart.
They have no drive. No coherence. No....BALLS. They sound drier than the Sahara with electric guitar.
Anyone out there being seduced by these panels, consider yourself warned!
Didn't you start similar just a few weeks ago?
Originally Posted by gajCA
Well if you listened to rock on the ESLs and liked what you heard that's fine.
The OP was just sharing their own opinion.
The ESLs have many fans but even those fans on AVS say they are very picky about placement which is why I could never have them in my home.
True, picky about placement to get the best sound, but decent sound is easy. I recommend staying away unless you're prepared to set up and drive correctly. I never had all that much problem until this room, but everything else sound like crap down there. Now true, I cheat since I've have had 60 years of experience with dipoles, mostly ESLs and 30 - 40% planar magnetics (Magneplanar). Mine do not suck on well-recorded rock music or electronica or any other genre
Originally Posted by Russdawg1
Yes it is quite hard to treat a room to fit those ESL’s. Di-Pole configurations are quite hard to properly setup. I was considering it for my design but quickly dismissed it because it would be hell to make it sound half decent anywhere in my house.
I think I missed something.
I said the AMT’s lacked oomph (for lack of better words) but the ESL’s were decent.
Then you said that he is referring to ESL’s?
Then in that case I’ll have to disagree. But I didn’t spend all that much time with them so I’ll have to sample them again. I stand behind my AMT statement however
Agree with you in re AMTs.
Originally Posted by drh3b
He did say panel, doesn't that mean electrostatic?
Yes, the OP and I have been 'at it' before
Originally Posted by eziggy
This is a bit of generalized comment. Which speakers do you have and which amps are you using? Most of ML's hybrid electrostats drop below 1ohm and need a lot of juice. I had the 11As paired with a Denon receiver and sounded horrible. Moved to a Marantz 8805 + MC452 amp and the speakers came alive (albeit at a cost). Very few low-to-mid range A/V receivers will work really well with ESLs.
I ask which speakers since the bigger the panel the more range you will get. There is a HUGE difference between the entry ESLs and the the 9s or 11As for example. Go higher and even more range, including their powered speakers.
Sure there are speakers that are better suited for rock for that huge slam effect. However, my 11As paired with a 450+ watt MC452 plays rock great I have to say. They are transparent however, so bad recording means bad sound. Good recordings gets you more depth, a solid 3D effect, and gives you the feeling like you are listening to live music. All of this is personal preference of course.
Pair Block Audio mono amps with ML Neolith speakers and I am pretty sure it will be awesome with rock.
True, we've tried mine with my brother's Denon x6300 and it wasn't pretty.
Surprisingly, I like the Neolith the least of the ESL line, mostly because ML refuses to set these up correctly at shows (hi Dennis Chern) so they can get a few extra people in the room.
Originally Posted by emcdade
No, you're really not getting it. My current speakers certainly don't have anywhere near the bass output of a 15" subwoofer and they're great with rock. That's not even in the ballpark of what I'm talking about, but color me un-surprised on a forum mainly dedicated to home theaters.
Is anyone in this thread in Central Ohio? If so, I would be happy if you, next time you're in the neighborhood, give me a shout, and stop on by, provided that you'll report back to the forum regarding what you heard. I can treat you even to electronica like you've never heard before and while not all 'rock' will sound good due to the plethora of terrible recordings out there, especially that genre, it's far better than you'd think.
Any volunteers? I'm in New Albany so a short drive from Columbus.
Sorry I'm late, but I was in Florida at the Kissimmee Mecum auction