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Like you said, if nothing else I’m sure they will be nice for rears. Or replace my old paradigm titans in my garage. Never really liked the titans. Always seemed kinda harsh and grainy.
If they are the old Titans where you can not remove the grills, then the foam surrounds could be dry rotted by now --- I never was a real Paradigm Titan fan, but a lot of people like them.

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If they are the old Titans where you can not remove the grills, then the foam surrounds could be dry rotted by now --- I never was a real Paradigm Titan fan, but a lot of people like them.
There the first version. The drivers were replaced right before I got them, about 8 years ago. No idea if they were replaced with the correct drivers, still plenty of bass, just harsh highs. But they’ve done there job for garage duty. I really liked the original se line, but the titans are nothing special. Only heard the 1st version though
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I believe Dan Roemer was the head of the enigneering team for Mitek who wanted to bring a more modern version of the DCM line. I believe Dan Roemer is now with XTZ ... the TP series uses the same tweeter and midrange of the TFE series. But the Kevlar woofer does go down low. The TP series is voiced to compliment the TFE series in surround systems.
Yes, the Kevlar drivers in the TP and TFE look to be the same. I did notice that the TFE tweeter is 30mm, and the TP tweeter is 25mm (and the face plates are different).

While the $230/pr eBay price vs. MSRP is not as discounted for the TFE60, I am interested in the TFE60 too, especially if I find the TP160S to be as good a value as you say. Should get the TP160S sometime this week.

At $230/pr for the TFE60, it is still in the entry-level budget range, so if the TP160S competes well with many sub $350/pr speakers, makes me curious about the TFE60.

I did find one short, subjective review for the TFE60 - at the end of the link below. The reviewer was pretty impressed by their performance vs. cost at their original $500/pr retail price.
https://positive-feedback.com/Issue34/audiocrafters.htm

I assume the 10 year warranty described on the DCM and MTX websites does not apply to the TFE and TP sold on eBay, but I may message the seller to verify. BTW, their original 10 year warranty was 2X longer than the typical warranty period for mass market speakers. DCM must have felt pretty confident in their design and quality control.


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Yes, the Kevlar drivers in the TP and TFE look to be the same. I did notice that the TFE tweeter is 30mm, and the TP tweeter is 25mm (and the face plates are different).

While the $230/pr eBay price vs. MSRP is not as discounted for the TFE60, I am interested in the TFE60 too, especially if I find the TP160S to be as good a value as you say. Should get the TP160S sometime this week.

At $230/pr for the TFE60, it is still in the entry-level budget range, so if the TP160S competes well with many sub $350/pr speakers, makes me curious about the TFE60.

I did find one short, subjective review for the TFE60 - at the end of the link below. The reviewer was pretty impressed by their performance vs. cost at their original $500/pr retail price.
https://positive-feedback.com/Issue34/audiocrafters.htm

I assume the 10 year warranty described on the DCM and MTX websites does not apply to the TFE and TP sold on eBay, but I may message the seller to verify. BTW, their original 10 year warranty was 2X longer than the typical warranty period for mass market speakers. DCM must have felt pretty confident in their design and quality control. -
The TP160S while not so called perfect -- does compete well with speakers that list from $350 down (street prices can be lower). They are not in the same league with most speakers that list higher, but may now be on discount or closeout.

While the TFE60 may be somewhat of an ugly duck, I still want to hear it. I have seen the reviews and there was one on the forum in the past

There may not be a warranty, but at the price they are selling for, it does not bother me ... easily worth the risk

Yes, I am glad that the MTX people kept their hands off the DCM line ... a big difference between the MTX badge bookshelf speakers and the DCM badge ones

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Some more thoughts on the TP160S speakers --- while not so-called perfect and dead neutral flat, they are some pretty good sounding speakers --- I can nit-pick them some, but for $49 to $69 a pair, they are a serious good deal. ... Now for minor nit-picking. Voices can be a little forward at times, mainly with those recorded with their mouth against the mic. Higher-end speakers will be a little more refined and smooth. The speakers will not cover up poor recordings from some raspy singers. Some female voices can sound a little hooty at times. But overall I can listen to these speakers and not really be annoyed. They have a good soundstage front, center, and wide. Bass is good and tight for their size, and while the tweeter lacks a little air, it is still a good one. .... They are also real nice and dynamic for Home Theater. .... They remind me some of the Cambridge S30, but these are better. And I will still take these speakers over the likes of HTD Level Three. .... I have thrown quite a few speakers out, and these still remain

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TP160S' arrived yesterday and have had a couple hours to listen to them. The cherry finish combined with the yellow kevlar woofer makes for an attractive speaker and it fits in great with the decor of the bedroom I have them in. Source is Google Play Music high quality fed through a Chromecast Audio, connected to a Yamaha stereo receiver.

Initial listening impressions are that they're a solid step up from the budget offerings I've heard in the past (Pioneer Andrew Jones, Sony Cores, Cambridge S30, Boston CS26, Teac LSH265). They are balanced with solid imaging and good enough bass impact for most non-bass-centric music if you decide not to add a subwoofer. I had the Q Acoustics 3020 and the Infinity Reference R152 on hand to do a comparison, given the original MSRP of all 3 speakers were around the same, $300-350.

The TP160S, although no bass monster, has better impact than both the 3020 and R152. It sounds like a bigger speaker than the 3020 (which it is), with a fuller, more well rounded sound (and it sounds a little bigger than the R152 as well) It also disappears better than the 3020. Both the TP160S and the 3020 are a touch forward which makes sound more "exciting" at times, but the TP160S never became too shouty/annoying. Tonality is pretty balanced, similar to the Infinity's. The R152 does have a little cleaner sounding highs with more depth and separation in the soundstage with more distinct imaging, but it would've been tougher to notice if I wasn't able to compare them back to back.

At the $60 a pair I got them for (price looks like it's at $70 a pair on eBay currently), they're a steal and nothing in that price range is close. The Sony Cores when on sale for about $70 were my former value champ and they've been dethroned by the TP160's. To me, they're a small notch below the Infinity R152 which retails for $350 but have been on sale for half off - they would be my pick at their sale price of around $170, which is amazing value as well. I've sold the KEF Q100 so didn't have those on hand to compare, but from what I recall, the Q100 images a little better than the R152 while sounding just as clean/detailed; they would also maintain these advantages over the TP160S. However I preferred the tonality of the TP160S and R152's to the Q100.

Overall, I'm really impressed with them, especially for the price I paid. I'm not sure how much stock the eBay seller still has, but if anyone is looking to build a super budget setup, you can't go wrong with these. Thanks, Jim, for shedding light on this budget gem!
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TP160S' arrived yesterday and have had a couple hours to listen to them. The cherry finish combined with the yellow kevlar woofer makes for an attractive speaker and it fits in great with the decor of the bedroom I have them in. Source is Google Play Music high quality fed through a Chromecast Audio, connected to a Yamaha stereo receiver.

Overall, I'm really impressed with them, especially for the price I paid. I'm not sure how much stock the eBay seller still has, but if anyone is looking to build a super budget setup, you can't go wrong with these. Thanks, Jim, for shedding light on this budget gem!
Thanks for confirming that my ears are still alive ---- yes they are much better than the Sony and better than the Q A 3020 ---- Mitek/DCM had poor marketing

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Sorry to hear that, it's not the first time. I've been looking for a review of their smaller bookshelf, the Ames, but haven't found anything.

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I "knew" they were perfect for my friends but, sadly, compared to my LX16s they just didn't even come close, which was a big surprise as the Q Acoustics Concept 20s were every bit as good as the LX16s.

They were not revealing at all with a rather "dull" sound which was a big disappointment as they looked very nice.

My friends ended up with LX16s in Cherry veneer which truth be told look 10 times better than mine in gloss black.

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The nice thing about decent budget speakers is that it usually doesn't take much to get them form a B+/B to an A-/B+. I only had to spend $11 per side to smooth things out on a pair of $140/pr towers. Now they give the BMR's a run for the money on certain kinds of music (the Saint-Saens Organ Symphony isn't one of them).
I’m curious what $140 towers you used
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Black ones. It will take a little while, but Audioholics is planning to do an article on the mod. Lots of details then.
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Black ones. It will take a little while, but Audioholics is planning to do an article on the mod. Lots of details then.
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The TP160S while not so called perfect -- does compete well with speakers that list from $350 down (street prices can be lower). They are not in the same league with most speakers that list higher, but may now be on discount or closeout.

While the TFE60 may be somewhat of an ugly duck, I still want to hear it. I have seen the reviews and there was one on the forum in the past

There may not be a warranty, but at the price they are selling for, it does not bother ... easily worth the risk

Yes, I am glad that the MTX people kept their hands off the DCM line ... a big difference between the MTX badge bookshelf speakers and the DCM badge ones
The eBay seller indicated that they have a 1 year factory warranty, but you have to go through the seller. I agree that the warranty is not really a factor in speakers this inexpensive.

Now for the TFE60, which cost more, I'm glad there is at least "some" warranty.

And yes, the TFE60 are a bit funky, in terms of looks - strange grill design and silly plastic top cap.

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$140 towers...I'd bet a Monoprice or Dayton model.

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$140 towers...I'd bet a Monoprice or Dayton model.
Close, but no banana. They're Sonus Fabers.
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Sorry to hear that, it's not the first time. I've been looking for a review of their smaller bookshelf, the Ames, but haven't found anything.

Always on the look out for small-ish speakers with good sq ...
You can get a pair of Ames for $199 -- World Wide Stereo will pay for return shipping
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You can get a pair of Ames for $199 -- World Wide Stereo will pay for return shipping
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KLH-Ames-2-...ry!37917!US!-1
Actually they don't pay return shipping.

In many ways, but not return shipping policies, World Wide Stereo is similar to Crutchfield who only charges $10/box to return bookshelves and $75/pair to return towers.

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Actually they don't pay return shipping.

In many ways, but not return shipping policies, World Wide Stereo is similar to Crutchfield who only charges $10/box to return bookshelves and $75/pair to return towers.
Well this is on the Ebay site -- so one can double check with the buyer

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Well this is on the Ebay site -- so one can double check with the buyer

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That is weird that they'd have better returns on their E'bay site than their main website.
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Interesting -- there are over 100 people watchng the DCM TP160S speakers, and they have sold 39 pairs

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So, how does the DCM TP160S compare to JBL Arena 130? Has anyone heard both?

So many great budget options, so little space...

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So, how does the DCM TP160S compare to JBL Arena 130? Has anyone heard both?

So many great budget options, so little space...
For me the DCM TP160S is more clean and articulate -- images better, has better front imaging -- has better detail, voices and instruments are more natural sounding -- bass is more tight and controlled -- the DCM is also real nice for movies ... the JBL Arena is not bad, but not for me
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So, how does the DCM TP160S compare to JBL Arena 130? Has anyone heard both?

So many great budget options, so little space... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
For me the DCM TP160S is more clean and articulate -- images better, has better front imaging -- has better detail, voices and instruments are more natural sounding -- bass is more tight and controlled -- the DCM is also real nice for movies ... the JBL Arena is not bad, but not for me
Darn... I think I am going to have to invent an excuse for needing another set of speakers.

Are they still being produced, or is this some very old stock being blown away on ebay? This model has been around for a while.

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Darn... I think I am going to have to invent an excuse for needing another set of speakers.

Are they still being produced, or is this some very old stock being blown away on ebay? This model has been around for a while.
No more is being made -- the Seller on Ebay bought the rest of the stock ... and the prices are really good ... Mitek, had poor DCM marketing

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Got a few hours of listening on the DCM TP160S.

First, I’ll say that these speakers are no joke when it comes to value! Thanks to zieglj01 for discovering these!

I’ve tested a couple dozen pairs of bookshelf speakers in the $350/pr and below range, and I agree that these hold their own in terms of sound quality and don’t have some of the design and quality control issues I have experienced with some other models in the $350/pr and below range.

For example, I always test speakers at a fairly high volume level to see how they hold up as the volume is pushed. With these DCMs running full range at pretty loud levels, I could not detect distortion, resonances, and woofers bottoming out. That is pretty impressive for sub $100 speakers.

For reference, I found JBL 530’s woofers to bottom out and pop at moderate levels – immediate deal breaker. I also had some Infinity RS162 and one had a bad woofer (scratchy) out of the box. I’ve also owned much more expensive JBL floorstanders that had serious design and quality control issues. Net, I can’t recommend JBL or Infinity speakers anymore.

Sony Core’s sounded congested and resonant as the volume is pushed. Def Tech SM65 woofers would also bottom out at times, surprising given the dual woofers. I could go on, but the point is that these DCMs seem to have a pretty robust design and no quality control issues out of the box.

Regarding the DCM’s sound, I think they are a bit forward in the treble. Cymbals and acoustic guitar are a bit more prominent vs. other speakers that I consider more neutral. The treble is not harsh or fatiguing, but it sounds a bit boosted to my ears. At the same time, the tweeters don’t sound as natural and resolving as some of the speakers I’ve owned in the $350/pr and under range. Combined with my boosted treble perception, overall, the treble is not the best that I’ve heard in the $350/pr and under range. However, this is a nitpick because the DCM’s are $80/pr ($70/pr when I bought them)!

I think the Polk S20 is a better sounding speaker overall, but the best deal I’ve seen on them is $160/pr for refurbs…so still 2 times the cost of the DCMs. I picked up a pair of used NHT SB3 for a little more than the going price of the DCMs, and the NHT are superior in every way, IMO, but they retailed for $600/pr and were considered a good value at that price.

Net, these DCMs are a great value and very hard to beat for the money, unless you find a killer deal on something used.

I’m now curious about the DCM TFE series.
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I think the Polk S20 is a better sounding speaker overall,
Interesting. I find the Polk S series a bit too bright, and judging by your review, the same may be the case with the TP160S. I think I'll pass.

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Interesting. I find the Polk S series a bit too bright, and judging by your review, the same may be the case with the TP160S. I think I'll pass.
Yeah, I never found the S15 and S20 to be bright, but just my opinion.

I see that you have the Dayton 402X. I have you listened to music with them? I have the 402BTX and find them a little on the bright side too, similar to the DCMs.

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