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I was actually hoping you would have picked the Chane's... I have been wanting to try them myself for sometime but have too many other priorities right now.
I want to try the Chanes, and hope to do so soon -- it is return shipping that can be a drawback ... who knows, there may be a Chane and Q A (i series) showdown. What I am really looking for is a more high-end speaker from Chane.
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It better make them sound better!
I am expecting at least a 2% difference in sound with their cable -- the cable tends to sell for $85 separate .... My RadioShack 14 awg MegaCable is as good as the AudioQuest and Kimber Cable that I use to own, so I expect that the QED cable will send the signals from the Integra to the speakers.

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I found last years Elacs were warm, they are definitely brighter than last years model so interesting you think these are warm and the very neutral Chane's forward/harsh??

If you are use to a warm speaker than I can understand how the Chane's might seem forward. I have the Elac 6.2 and Chane's A1.4
IMO Chane's A1.4 all day/every day
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i was surprised all the way around.

here's the thing though. i have the elacs wall mounted at almost 5 feet. the top of the elac is probably beyond 5 feet. i didn't want to move them really, so i just played the chanes at ear level on a desk

a true comparison would probably be taking the elacs down and putting the chanes in the same spot.

i intially played one song with the chanes and switched back to the elacs immediately in order to delineate details, but i think i just like the elacs a lot more upon that first switch back. i then tried to play the chanes quite a bit and noticed that one song actually hurt my ears with the chanes

it was the first time i was kind of cringing at the volume so as for it not to hurt, and it wasn't high volume. my avr was at volume levels below 40 for sure

anyways, i am definitely going to do more testing. and, again, at the right angles
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I am curious about the 3020i as well. I have a set of the 3010 and think they are a fun little speaker that do pretty well on all types of genres. I also have a pair of the concept 20's which are more details but maybe a little too foward in the midrange. The concept 20's can be ran without a sub in a small room as I would suspect the 3020i could get away without a sub. I hear the new 3020i is voiced a little different, more laid back which I think the concept 20 could use a tad to move the center image behind the speakers instead of on the same axis of the speakers.

I like your three strikes your out as I had a set of chane 1.4's and did not get that wow that everyone talks about. Their drivers appear to be top notch and on paper they should be stellar but I felt that there wasn't any life to them, a little too dull. Who knows, maybe I had a bad pair with phase or something....but have been tempted to give them another go as I found of the planar tweeter in some old gr-research speakers I had.

Looking forward to your thoughts on the 3020i's.
Interesting as I compared the Concept 20s directly to my LX16s that some say lack midrange.

The C20s and LX16s sounded more similar that different but a agree that the Concept 20s have a "fuller" sound as the LX16s beat them by a tiny hair on detail, (strings, wind instruments and vocals), but the C20s rendered a piano more perfectly to my ear in 2.0 without a sub.

I didn't find them "midrange forward" and measurements I've seen don't show that either.

But everyone has different ears.

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I am curious about the 3020i as well. I have a set of the 3010 and think they are a fun little speaker that do pretty well on all types of genres. I also have a pair of the concept 20's which are more details but maybe a little too foward in the midrange. The concept 20's can be ran without a sub in a small room as I would suspect the 3020i could get away without a sub. I hear the new 3020i is voiced a little different, more laid back which I think the concept 20 could use a tad to move the center image behind the speakers instead of on the same axis of the speakers.
The C20 do have a little rise around 1 khz and then a dip from 2 to 6 khz -- so that may be what you are hearing ... 1 khz is a sensitive point to the ear
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The C20 do have a little rise around 1 khz and then a dip from 2 to 6 khz -- so that may be what you are hearing ... 1 khz is a sensitive point to the ear
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I wonder how the 3020i measures in this range compared to the c20.
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I wonder how the 3020i measures in this range compared to the c20.
Can not find any measurements at this time, I mainly go by my ear -- the key for me is to not be annoyed or distracted by the speaker .... and I need to remember that they are on the budget friendly side .... Regardless of all the marketing hype, I expect the biggest difference to come from their modded crossover.

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I am expecting at least a 2% difference in sound with their cable -- the cable tends to sell for $85 separate .... My RadioShack 14 awg MegaCable is as good as the AudioQuest and Kimber Cable that I use to own, so I expect that the QED cable will send the signals from the Integra to the speakers.

Only 2%? What a disgrace. They should just send you the speakers for free if they are giving you such crappy wire

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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The 3020i is here and the first impression is .............. well, they do sound somewhat different .........

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The 3020i is here and the first impression is .............. well, they do sound somewhat different .........
You already sent back two QA options, so if you send back a third, that will not be much of a reach. Perhaps their house sound is just not your cup of tea?

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The 3020i is here and the first impression is .............. well, they do sound somewhat different .........

More info Zieglj01! I need the info!

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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You already sent back two QA options, so if you send back a third, that will not be much of a reach. Perhaps their house sound is just not your cup of tea?
They do have a somewhat house sound -- but they are also somewhat different from the 3020 -- still early in the listening session, not a third strike yet as the first pitch on this set is a ball one.

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We moved and this caused some expense -- so I sold them for a $470 profit ... I will save up for something like the Canton Vento speakers

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Still listening and I am trying to like these speakers -- however it seems that they may have a cabinet resonance peak on some high voices .... I will give it some more time. However, they do throw a wide Soundstage ... which some of those popular waveguides out there fall short of

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I am going to purchase a new set of Budget friendly speakers -- I have narrowed it down, but can not quite make up my mind -- the choices are

Q Acoustics 3020i (but have sent 2 sets of speakers back to them in the past)

Paradigm Monitor SE Atom (but I am suspect that the bass may be somewhat loose (they are known for that)

Chane A1.4 -- a little over budget, but still interesting

NHT SuperOne 2.1 -- the price is good, but they should fall short of the former Classic two
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I am not interested in the Polk, or Klipsch, or Dali or Monitor Audio or KEF at this time -- this is to keep me going till I find another High-end deal -- now, what would interst you?
you mean “my budget” friendly.
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you mean “my budget” friendly.
that's universal though, just like ears , everybody has a different wallet size..

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Still listening and I am trying to like these speakers -- however it seems that they may have a cabinet resonance peak on some high voices .... I will give it some more time. However, they do throw a wide Soundstage ... which some of those popular waveguides out there fall short of
Add a brick to the top of the speaker, see if that mutes the resonance.

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Add a brick to the top of the speaker, see if that mutes the resonance.
If I need to do that, then they will go back -- since they have this great claim of better bracing -- however the 3020 had a stiffer cabinet and did better on the door-knock test -- the world of compromise when you keep the price low and add 25% more cabinet space. ... But they do have potential and are a little more detailed, and they got the bass right this time.

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If I need to do that, then they will go back -- since they have this great claim of better bracing -- however the 3020 had a stiffer cabinet and did better on the door-knock test -- the world of compromise when you keep the price low and add 25% more cabinet space. ... But they do have potential and are a little more detailed, and they got the bass right this time.
Asking a lot from a speaker this cheap .... there is going to be a compromise somewhere. Hey, it can be decorative "brick"! Heavy piece of artwork, glass, ceramic, whatever.

Work with me here!
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If I need to do that, then they will go back -- since they have this great claim of better bracing -- however the 3020 had a stiffer cabinet and did better on the door-knock test -- the world of compromise when you keep the price low and add 25% more cabinet space. ... But they do have potential and are a little more detailed, and they got the bass right this time.

What about a simple isolation pad? Would that help it out? I had a makeshift isolation pad from a few towels that worked pretty well. However the two speakers that I have in my house currently are well braced. I’m not sure if the towels had a huge difference in SQ but it stopped them from rattling everything in my listening area.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Asking a lot from a speaker this cheap .... there is going to be a compromise somewhere. Hey, it can be decorative "brick"! Heavy piece of artwork, glass, ceramic, whatever.

Work with me here!
I do approach them as a budget speaker -- and I do make some compromises for budget friendly speakers -- and even without that honky boxy sound, there are still some compromises that I can live with, but the honky boxy resonance is not one that I may able to live with -- so we will see, and I still plan to be kind with them, since they are under $500. .... Q A is still a good company

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What about a simple isolation pad? Would that help it out? I had a makeshift isolation pad from a few towels that worked pretty well. However the two speakers that I have in my house currently are well braced. I’m not sure if the towels had a huge difference in SQ but it stopped them from rattling everything in my listening area.
I am still thinking about some options -- as they are better than the Arena speakers and the HTD Level Three -- it may be possible that I will buy some Yoga pads and set them on top --- the thing is these speaker companies are getting a little fancy and making it hard to go inside box the now, if I could get inside I could put some sonic barrier inside the cabinet walls --- As the Audio World Turns ... oh by the way, they are better than the Xtone speakers!!
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I am still thinking about some options -- as they are better than the Arena speakers and the HTD Level Three -- it may be possible that I will buy some Yoga pads and set them on top --- the thing is these speaker companies are getting a little fancy and making it hard to go inside box the now, if I could get inside I could put some sonic barrier inside the cabinet walls --- As the Audio World Turns ... oh by the way, they are better than the Xtone speakers!!

What? No way! Those Xtonebox’s are better than Sierra 2’s! How can these speakers possibly be better than Dave’s Sierra 2’s!

I’m glad that you made the statement that they are better than the Arenas. I like to keep a good “ranking” list if you may. Now I know where they rank thanks
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If I need to do that, then they will go back -- since they have this great claim of better bracing -- however the 3020 had a stiffer cabinet and did better on the door-knock test -- the world of compromise when you keep the price low and add 25% more cabinet space. ... But they do have potential and are a little more detailed, and they got the bass right this time.
sounds like you might be trying another pair of something pretty soon...Chane?... emo b1?.. the b1's have a bit of that boxy sound at high volume ,imo, but they sound pretty great at moderate volume..

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sounds like you might be trying another pair of something pretty soon...Chane?... emo b1?.. the b1's have a bit of that boxy sound at high volume ,imo, but they sound pretty great at moderate volume..
I got a good deal today on a pair of Hafler 200 speakers -- and now they are being compared to the Q Acoustics -- the Hafler is in real good shape for a 1989 speaker and they are a mirror image pair ..... Right now it is 3 balls and 2 strikes on the Q A 3020l .... if I make another purchase it will be the Chane or the Canton Chrono 512 (an upgraded version) ... But moving can be somewhat challenging on expenses .... I got 50 of the 80 dollars back on the Hafler, because I sold a small B&W center channel. -- God is Good and today was a blessed day.

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I do approach them as a budget speaker -- and I do make some compromises for budget friendly speakers -- and even without that honky boxy sound, there are still some compromises that I can live with, but the honky boxy resonance is not one that I may able to live with -- so we will see, and I still plan to be kind with them, since they are under $500. .... Q A is still a good company

That honky boxy sound is what caused me to return the old 3020's I had. I never understood how they got so much hype from reviewers.
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I got a good deal today on a pair of Hafler 200 speakers -- and now they are being compared to the Q Acoustics -- the Hafler is in real good shape for a 1989 speaker and they are a mirror image pair ..... Right now it is 3 balls and 2 strikes on the Q A 3020l .... if I make another purchase it will be the Chane or the Canton Chrono 512 (an upgraded version) ... But moving can be somewhat challenging on expenses .... I got 50 of the 80 dollars back on the Hafler, because I sold a small B&W center channel. -- God is Good and today was a blessed day.

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the halfer's are pretty.. i hope those work out for you..
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That honky boxy sound is what caused me to return the old 3020's I had. I never understood how they got so much hype from reviewers.
When it honks on Spanish Harlem by Rebecca Pidgeon, then that tends to annoy me -- they did improve some things, but they should have done more about the resonance, even some type of filter in the crossover -- I still see why a lot of people would like them

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