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Buying my first 'real' LCR speakers. Where to Start? San Diego, CA

As I get closer to completing my dedicated room, it's time for me to start thinking about some 'real' LCR speakers.

Moving from a very casual 5.1 in my Garage with a $150 receiver and 5 Energy bookshelf speakers, to building a 3000 cu/ft dedicated decoupled, double drywall GG room has been such a massive step that I'm realizing I have absolutely NO IDEA what kind of speakers I like. My lack of experience has been governed by having no budget in the past, so instead of getting what I like, I just got what I could afford.

Now after a year of building, 100s of hours of reading the DIY build threads, and over $20k invested in my build, I need to make a smart choice on my LCR speakers.

I have SVS Ultra surrounds and heights for my 7.1.4 setup powered by a Denon 6300h. I'll be sitting about 9ft from my speakers, and 10ft from my none-AT screen. 95% movies. For subs I plan on going with 2 units, but no idea what.

I can go up to about $3,000 for my LCR, but to be honest, I don't want to over spend on something that my 47 year old untrained ears can't appreciate properly.

To put it in Golf terms, I don't want to be 'that guy' with the $600 driver that hasn't learned to swing a club properly.

I live in San Diego, CA, I'm even hesitant to go and listen in a store, as I doubt it's going to really show me much compared to the room I've built at home over the last year, but I know i have to start somewhere.

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Have a look at PowerSoundAudio. Very nice home theater speakers and also good for music.

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/speakers

Ask in this thread if anyone in your area is able to demo them for you.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post57562944

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I think I am a posting "ad person" for these guys I recommend them so much but it is what I will get when I build my HT in basement of house next year. Might have to hold off on those BMR's but they'd be for 2 channel music upstairs. Too much good stuff not enough time or money.
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As I get closer to completing my dedicated room, it's time for me to start thinking about some 'real' LCR speakers.

Moving from a very casual 5.1 in my Garage with a $150 receiver and 5 Energy bookshelf speakers, to building a 3000 cu/ft dedicated decoupled, double drywall GG room has been such a massive step that I'm realizing I have absolutely NO IDEA what kind of speakers I like. My lack of experience has been governed by having no budget in the past, so instead of getting what I like, I just got what I could afford.

Now after a year of building, 100s of hours of reading the DIY build threads, and over $20k invested in my build, I need to make a smart choice on my LCR speakers.

I have SVS Ultra surrounds and heights for my 7.1.4 setup powered by a Denon 6300h. I'll be sitting about 9ft from my speakers, and 10ft from my none-AT screen. 95% movies. For subs I plan on going with 2 units, but no idea what.

I can go up to about $3,000 for my LCR, but to be honest, I don't want to over spend on something that my 47 year old untrained ears can't appreciate properly.

To put it in Golf terms, I don't want to be 'that guy' with the $600 driver that hasn't learned to swing a club properly.

I live in San Diego, CA, I'm even hesitant to go and listen in a store, as I doubt it's going to really show me much compared to the room I've built at home over the last year, but I know i have to start somewhere.
it may be worth the drive up to Carlsbad to listen to Ascend Acoustics... you'll need an appointment, but you can audition several different setups- they will change out the speakers - you can only listen to one set up at a time...
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It may sound crazy but I think the best system is one you can tailor to your needs. Its not one that can be bought unless you get some qsc2150s or JBL screen arrays for mains. More importantly its one with easy to change eq settings.

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You are not too old nor too inexperienced to enjoy good sound.

There are many good options. I’ll list one to consider.

Dynaudio is a very respected brand and you can visit their sub forum here at AVS.

These are on closeout. The line is being replaced with a new line. It looks inventory is drying up.

Excite. There is a tower in your range with center puts you right under your budget. You can go to monitors and they have monitors on close out pricing as well. With two subs you may be fine with monitors. You may spend what you save on stands so need to consider but I enjoy monitors more than not.

The center is also on closeout. Cruthfield has 60 day trial with I think a $75 return shipping cost. No tax free shipping. You can actually try it all out for cheap or there is certainly a Dynaudio dealer in San Diego. Check Dynaudio site and sub forum here at AVS.

You’ll get many suggestions I’m sure. Dynaudio is a very respected brand.

https://www.crutchfield.com/g_12000/...Brand|Dynaudio

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_345X34...ack-Satin.html

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_345X28...ack-Satin.html

San Diego dealer

https://www.stereounlimitedsd.com

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Have a look at PowerSoundAudio. Very nice home theater speakers and also good for music.

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/speakers

Ask in this thread if anyone in your area is able to demo them for you.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post57562944

Review

https://hometheaterreview.com/power-...kers-reviewed/


I think I am a posting "ad person" for these guys I recommend them so much but it is what I will get when I build my HT in basement of house next year. Might have to hold off on those BMR's but they'd be for 2 channel music upstairs. Too much good stuff not enough time or money.
I cannot recommend PSA speakers highly enough. And 210T x3 or 210T x2 + 210C would be within budget. After months of research, I received my 210Tx2/210C (and a V3611 sub) last week and could not be happier. Like you I sometimes feel like I'm an ad person for them but honestly I just want to spread the word that their products are top-notch and absolutely earn their stellar reputation.
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Have a look at PowerSoundAudio. Very nice home theater speakers and also good for music.

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/speakers

Ask in this thread if anyone in your area is able to demo them for you.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post57562944

Review

https://hometheaterreview.com/power-...kers-reviewed/


I think I am a posting "ad person" for these guys I recommend them so much but it is what I will get when I build my HT in basement of house next year. Might have to hold off on those BMR's but they'd be for 2 channel music upstairs. Too much good stuff not enough time or money.
I cannot recommend PSA speakers highly enough. And 210T x3 or 210T x2 + 210C would be within budget. After months of research, I received my 210Tx2/210C (and a V3611 sub) last week and could not be happier. Like you I sometimes feel like I'm an ad person for them but honestly I just want to spread the word that their products are top-notch and absolutely earn their stellar reputation.

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I can go up to about $3,000 for my LCR, but to be honest, I don't want to over spend on something that my 47 year old untrained ears can't appreciate properly.
I will be 45 this year. The PSA's that came in last week are my first "real" set of speakers. You are never too old to appreciate quality.
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I would try to find someone in the area who has some of the bigger DIYSG speakers to demo... Titans, 1299s, they're pretty amazing. But I do have to say that the QSC monsters I heard in Jeremy's ( @hd0823 ) theatre last month were just unbelievable... Dynamic, effortless, and "huge" sound. They were maybe the best speakers I've ever heard. Certainly top 3. I know @Mahuzz13 also has a set.

If I had a bigger room, and could fit them behind the screen that's what I'd go for.

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$20K on your room and $3k on your speakers? That seems out of balance. Does the $3k include the subwoofers? How about acoustic treatments? Have you budgeted for those? They will be equally important to the speakers. A room built for sound isolation will keep more of the sound inside the room, requiring better acoustic treatment to get the best out of the speakers. Finally, what about room correction systems? Will you be getting a receiver or pre/pro with RC? What RC system?

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Edit: With a non-AT screen, the CC will most likely need to be a horizontal speaker, mounted above or below the screen. Prioritize that speaker. Look for a CC that uses a W(TM)W driver arrangement to reduce the lobing effects of a horizontal MTM speaker. Make sure it has the output capabilities you need and will work with the amps you decide on.

Once you select the CC, then look at L/R speakers to provide a good timbre-match to the CC. Speakers that have similar output capabilities and good overall dispersion characteristics will work best for the LCR's.

Try to mount the speakers so the tweeters are all at ear level, (although that may be difficult with a non-AT screen.)

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I would love to recommend the QSC 2150s but with a non AT screen they are just to big. So for my recommendation would be from DIY Sound Group the Elusive 1099 and they have designed a horizontal centre channel. They are crystal clear, you will hear sounds you have been missing in movies you have watched many times. The reviews on these are amazing and they look really good too. They will be way under your budget as well.

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https://www.diysoundgroup.com/catalo...q=Elusive+1099

Sorry if I have missed what you are doing for surrounds/atmos but the volts are also fantastic (the Volt8s are my recommendation).

I think what was said above about treatments, it’s a must, it will take a good speaker and turn it into an amazing speaker


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Thanks for the recommendations so far.

It's good to know that Ascend are so close to where I live, I have heard their name with great frequency both here and on other sites so I'd certainly be willing to drive up there to listen to some of their speakers in person.

I had certainly been looking at DIYSG 1099s as they seem to have a strong following with people singing their praises. My only concern is once again the idea of buying speakers I have never heard.

I was skeptical about the Magnolia section of Best Buy, but I figured I'd give it a try so rolled over to my local store last night after work. I listened to some Martin Logan Motion 40's but found them too bright for my taste. Then I listened to some Definitive BP9020's paired with a CS9040 which I thought sounded pretty good, but then when we went up to the BP9060's they didn't sound good at all, just noisy - I assume they were too big for the un-treated Magnolia room that we were in. The Magnolia listening room is certainly better than nothing, but as they are trying to sell speakers for music and home theater in one space it was a pretty bad listening experience for home theater speakers.

To answer some of the other side-questions asked so far...

- Budget is strictly for LCR, I will address my twin subs separately, I'm interested in Rythmik so hopefully I could hear those at Ascend also.
- All my surround and heights are SVS ultra
- Amplification currently a Denon 6300h driving 7.2.4
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Front and back wall floor-to-ceiling 8lb 2" rockwool compressed mineral batting
Side reflection points 8lb 2" rockwool compressed mineral panels.

The link in my sig points to the whole build thread.

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You are not too old nor too inexperienced to enjoy good sound.

There are many good options. I’ll list one to consider.

Dynaudio is a very respected brand and you can visit their sub forum here at AVS.

These are on closeout. The line is being replaced with a new line. It looks inventory is drying up.

Excite. There is a tower in your range with center puts you right under your budget. You can go to monitors and they have monitors on close out pricing as well. With two subs you may be fine with monitors. You may spend what you save on stands so need to consider but I enjoy monitors more than not.

The center is also on closeout. Cruthfield has 60 day trial with I think a $75 return shipping cost. No tax free shipping. You can actually try it all out for cheap or there is certainly a Dynaudio dealer in San Diego. Check Dynaudio site and sub forum here at AVS.

You’ll get many suggestions I’m sure. Dynaudio is a very respected brand.

https://www.crutchfield.com/g_12000/...Brand|Dynaudio

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_345X34...ack-Satin.html

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_345X28...ack-Satin.html

San Diego dealer

https://www.stereounlimitedsd.com

Rick
Thanks Rick, I will check out Stereo Unlimited, I have seen many people singing the praises of Dynaudio's speakers.
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$20K on your room and $3k on your speakers? That seems out of balance.
No matter how many times I read this, it never stops being a bizarre thing to say.
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No matter how many times I read this, it never stops being a bizarre thing to say.
It seems weird but not really when you think about it. If your starting your room from studs, there is a TON more stuff you have to buy to finish out a room to easily double or triple what a LCR would cost. How much space do you have up front, I know you said you don't have an AT screen.
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How much space do you have up front, I know you said you don't have an AT screen.
My stage is 30 inches deep and 140 inches wide.



I will be sitting approx 8 ft from the stage front, 10 ft from my screen. I went back and forth on AT for months, and finally decided against AT because the loss of lumens (Most of my content is HDR) and tightness of my throw distance which would suffer from placing speakers behind the screen (my PJ lens is only 13.5ft from my 123" 16:9 Stewart Cima).
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I will be sitting approx 8 ft from the stage front, 10 ft from my screen. I went back and forth on AT for months, and finally decided against AT because the loss of lumens (Most of my content is HDR) and tightness of my throw distance which would suffer from placing speakers behind the screen (my PJ lens is only 13.5ft from my 123" 16:9 Stewart Cima).
Do you have a preference for bright or warmer speakers? I have a pair of JBL Studio 590's for my L and R and love them, but you have to get past the looks. The BMR Philharmonitor is quite well liked as well at $1350 a pair but I don't think he has a matching center. Most of the DIYSG is VERY well liked. The Titan 615LX is raved about for HT use, and building them is pretty easy. You might make a post in the DIY forum to reach out to anyone in your area that may have something like the 1099's or the Titans that wouldn't mind letting you have a listen.
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Do you have a preference for bright or warmer speakers? I have a pair of JBL Studio 590's for my L and R and love them, but you have to get past the looks. The BMR Philharmonitor is quite well liked as well at $1350 a pair but I don't think he has a matching center. Most of the DIYSG is VERY well liked. The Titan 615LX is raved about for HT use, and building them is pretty easy. You might make a post in the DIY forum to reach out to anyone in your area that may have something like the 1099's or the Titans that wouldn't mind letting you have a listen.
I prefer warmer speakers, I'm not very good with all the audiophile lingo, but if I had to try and describe the sound I like it would be sound with great 'texture and form' - I like to 'feel' the shape of objects in the sound and the space between them. I find I am sensitive to high-mids and can find them very fatiguing very quickly - although maybe I just haven't heard good mids. I guess I just value texture and precision the most - I hate sloppy BOOM and loud-for-the-sake-of-it.

Yep it would be great if I could find someone local with some DIYSG speakers to review. I don't care about looks as everything in my room is hidden behind AT panels - in fact I'd rather be buying 'ugly' speakers where all the money is spent in the internals rather than fancy finishes.

One of my constraints is width, with a 140" stage and a 123" screen (107" horizontal) it leaves me with only about 16" either side of the screen for my 2" batting and whatever framing I am going to do to hide the speaker, so I can't go with anything too wide.
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Thanks Rick, I will check out Stereo Unlimited, I have seen many people singing the praises of Dynaudio's speakers.
If you do make to Stereo Unlimited...make sure to bring your appetite. Phil's BBQ it right there in the parking lot and it is excellent!
You know...if you like bbq..
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No matter how many times I read this, it never stops being a bizarre thing to say.
To me, it just seems like you put a lot of time and money into the room. You seem genuinely serious about your project. Why skimp on the speakers? $3k will get decent speakers, but in a $20K room, I would be looking well above that pricepoint. Speakers are the most important investment in a home theater, IMO. In a well-treated room, 65 to 70% of the sound you hear will be direct sound from the speakers, and the other 30-35% being reflected sound from the room. I know a lot of what you did was sound isolation, and that is good, useful and beneficial. But sound QUALITY is directly related to the speakers and the room, (inside the room, not what is not transmitted outside the room.) Therefore, I believe that your highest priority should be the speakers followed by room acoustic treatment, (not sound isolation), and finally the Room Correction System.

Bottom line, if you're going to make a big investment in the room, then make a similar investment into what goes INSIDE the room.

Craig

PS. I don't mean to imply that spending more money will definitely net you better speakers. That is certainly not always true. However, Hoffman's Iron Law rules the day: 1) Bass Extension. 2) Efficiency. 3) Small Enclosure. Pick two because you can't have all 3. Large enclosures, better drivers and high sensitivity all cost money.

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To me, it just seems like you put a lot of time and money into the room. You seem genuinely serious about your project. Why skimp on the speakers? $3k will get decent speakers, but in a $20K room, I would be looking well above that pricepoint. Speakers are the most important investment in a home theater, IMO. In a well-treated room, 65 to 70% of the sound you hear will be direct sound from the speakers, and the other 30-35% being reflected sound from the room. I know a lot of what you did was sound isolation, and that is good, useful and beneficial. But sound QUALITY is directly related to the speakers and the room, (inside the room, not what is not transmitted outside the room.) Therefore, I believe that your highest priority should be the speakers followed by room acoustic treatment, (not sound isolation), and finally the Room Correction System.

Bottom line, if you're going to make a big investment in the room, then make a similar investment into what goes INSIDE the room.

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PS. I don't mean to imply that spending more money will definitely net you better speakers. That is certainly not always true. However, Hoffman's Iron Law rules the day: 1) Bass Extension. 2) Efficiency. 3) Small Enclosure. Pick two because you can't have all 3. Large enclosures, better drivers and high sensitivity all cost money.
Yep I understand and agree with what you are saying, but at this point at least, the funds are starting to run very thin so I just have to do what I can with the resources I have available. I never had a 'chunk of money' to dedicate to the project, it has been very much a case of piecing it together, raising funds here and there as I go. Everything about this room has been expensive (for me) and I'm not out of the woods yet. So much about this build has been about compromises so I decided to focus on building the room properly and letting that take priority - Marry the room, date the equipment if you like
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This demo was enough to get me to pick up the phone and start a dialog with Ascend this afternoon...


Considering this is nothing more than a Youtube video I was blown away by what I 'could' hear, I need to listen to these in person.

Deana was super helpful on the phone and we talked about arranging a time to come in to demo the Sierra Towers with the Horizon center. She said that they have had some issues getting bamboo in and that there is about a 3 month wait on new speakers at the moment, but that's good, it will stop me jumping the gun lol.
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This demo was enough to get me to pick up the phone and start a dialog with Ascend this afternoon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9AH9pNFLyM

Considering this is nothing more than a Youtube video I was blown away by what I 'could' hear, I need to listen to these in person.

Deana was super helpful on the phone and we talked about arranging a time to come in to demo the Sierra Towers with the Horizon center. She said that they have had some issues getting bamboo in and that there is about a 3 month wait on new speakers at the moment, but that's good, it will stop me jumping the gun lol.
A great place to start for sure.

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This demo was enough to get me to pick up the phone and start a dialog with Ascend this afternoon...


Considering this is nothing more than a Youtube video I was blown away by what I 'could' hear, I need to listen to these in person.

Deana was super helpful on the phone and we talked about arranging a time to come in to demo the Sierra Towers with the Horizon center. She said that they have had some issues getting bamboo in and that there is about a 3 month wait on new speakers at the moment, but that's good, it will stop me jumping the gun lol.
I'd seriously consider you audtion the Ascends being your within a short drive of their office in San Clemente. I've heard high efficiency speakers like Seaton and diy fusion 15....they never swayed me to switch....I perfer or like the look, sound and ashethics of more traditional style speaker designs...lots of great offerings out there both ID, diy....or BM stores out there.

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Shoot, I missed the part about the non-AT screen. In that case, I'd still recommend trying to listen to some of the DIYSG designs if you can. The 1099 (with horizontal centre) like Mahuzz suggested is a great start. Others who had the space beneath their screen have used 3 identical Fusion 15s (the Sentinel) with good results. I think I remember someone making a custom 1299 horizontal centre too. I heard the 1299s at Jared's ( @Jk7.2 ) recently and they were amazing.

I guess there's always the option of going phantom centre too, some guys have gone that route and been very happy.

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Shoot, I missed the part about the non-AT screen. In that case, I'd still recommend trying to listen to some of the DIYSG designs if you can. The 1099 (with horizontal centre) like Mahuzz suggested is a great start. Others who had the space beneath their screen have used 3 identical Fusion 15s (the Sentinel) with good results. I think I remember someone making a custom 1299 horizontal centre too. I heard the 1299s at Jared's ( @Jk7.2 ) recently and they were amazing.

I guess there's always the option of going phantom centre too, some guys have gone that route and been very happy.

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Yeah I'm still very interested in the 1099's at least from a bang-for-buck perspective. This Saturday I'll be rolling down to Stereo Unlimited with the hope of listening to some Dynaudio gear and some time in the future up to Ascend and HSU to listen to some of their products.

Once I have my new screen installed then I'll have a much stronger sense of the physical dimensions that I can comfortably accommodate for speakers which will play a part in my decision.
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What part of SD are you in?

I'm out in east county. I start drooling every time I'm near Stereo Unlimited and I'm not sure if it is because of the store or Phil's!!

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Once I have my new screen installed then I'll have a much stronger sense of the physical dimensions that I can comfortably accommodate for speakers which will play a part in my decision.
Demoing is always the best way to get to know new speakers - even when demo rooms aren't ideal, and are far different from the room they'll eventually end up in.

I was a big fan of Dynaudio speakers many years ago, but I haven't heard any of their recent models. They had some really nice sounding speakers, and I'm sure they still do, if not significantly better. With that said, I have definitely been hooked on the value per dollar prospect that diy provides.

There are an almost endless number of options for you out there... Have fun with the selection process, don't rush it, and I hope you'll get speakers that deliver everything you want and more!

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I'm out in east county. I start drooling every time I'm near Stereo Unlimited and I'm not sure if it is because of the store or Phil's!!
I'm on the Border of El Cajon and La Mesa, just off of the 8
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A lot of suggestions are really good, but you are getting two camps...high PL speakers and some not high spl speakers. How big is your room and do you like to listen really LOUD? if so, the PSA speakers would likely be your best bet...but I have never heard then described as warm.
THe Ascend Acoustic, of which the CMT340 and Sierra 2s I have heard alot, are also not warm, very neutral but also very clear and detailed and they will get loud, but would NOT give the PSAs a run in the reference level game!
As mentioned, the Philharmonic BMRs are excellent and the best speaker pair you will find for 1500/pr...Dennis can make a third speaker with the tweeter rotated, so it can be set on its side.
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