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post #61 of 78 Old 06-22-2019, 08:15 PM
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Which makes you wonder why they said the tweeter they used was better than for this use than the SB Acoustics Satori TW29BN. You would think with that tweeter they could have crossed the tweeter over much lower and flattened the DI rise in the 2k region
Good point; I was thinking the same thing.

In general, it's a curious response with that waveguide. I would expect that to be more typical of speaker w/o a waveguide and a largish mid-woof.

The reviews I've seen have all been very positive, so maybe it's one of those things that are more objectionable to the eye on graph than to the ear in room. I'll be real interested in hearing your impressions, Soulburner, when you get them.

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Here is Mads explanation of the tweeter and why it was chosen: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...00.7499/page-2

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Ah, so that is you. Good review.

Did you find the speakers perform better aimed straight ahead or with some toe-in?

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Ah, so that is you. Good review.



Did you find the speakers perform better aimed straight ahead or with some toe-in?


Yep, that’s me!

I like them facing straight ahead. The only reason I would tow them in would be if you wanted a bit more treble at your listening position.
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So I ordered in March with a E200 discount for the "preorder" delay until June. Chose to wait again until September for an additional E200 discount off the cost. About $600CDN off the price.



I'm going to use the cash towards an upgrade in my amplification.



I'm curious to what amplification are you guys giving these? They're hungry for juice that my ****ty old Denon just can't give them.



I was thinking a NAD 758/777, but then realized those things are 3 years old now, is a new line coming?



Same with the Anthems, their receivers are a few years old too.



Then I started wondering about separates. is there any good separates I can get into at a reduced cost that will make these babies sing? What's the forum consensus?



Would love to hear from others receiving theirs in June!


The amps I used for these were:

Schiit Vidar
Schiit Aegir
Crown XLS1002

They all sounded really good. The Aegir was a surprise since it’s only 40wpc into 4 Ohms. I liked the two Schiit amps best, personally.

This was strictly for two channel music. I didn’t use them for movies.

I may hook them up to my Denon x4400 and see how they sound while I still have them.

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I'm curious to what amplification are you guys giving these? They're hungry for juice that my ****ty old Denon just can't give them.
How do you know that? I bet it would be just fine.
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I was thinking a NAD 758/777, but then realized those things are 3 years old now, is a new line coming?
No. They're just getting good now though, with many of the bugs worked out.

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If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

https://amphion.fi/enjoy/products-ho...f-loudspeaker/

I'm not saying the design was copied, but they surely drew a lot of inspiration from this speaker.

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Ah, so that is you. Good review.

Did you find the speakers perform better aimed straight ahead or with some toe-in?
Did your speakers come in yet? Have you thought to cancel your order and pick up the ones above?
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The amps I used for these were:

Schiit Vidar
Schiit Aegir
Crown XLS1002

They all sounded really good. The Aegir was a surprise since it’s only 40wpc into 4 Ohms. I liked the two Schiit amps best, personally.

This was strictly for two channel music. I didn’t use them for movies.

I may hook them up to my Denon x4400 and see how they sound while I still have them.
Haven't you had some of the DIYSG designs as well? How would you compare these to something like the HTM series if you've had a chance to hear them?

I've been curious about the difference between a wide dispersion design and the controlled directivity of the SEOS waveguide. I just built a pair of HTM's and they are a big improvement in my room in several areas but I admit I have not done a side by side with accurate wide dispersion designs like Revel.

I'm tempted to build a pair of Jeff Bagby's Helix Dome just for fun, and to compare. I just wish there were more comprehensive measurements available regarding off axis performance and such, which I understand is rather critical with wide dispersion speakers for optimal sound quality.
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Did your speakers come in yet? Have you thought to cancel your order and pick up the ones above?
Mine will be in the later batch. I don't think I'll cancel because I've been credited a few hundred dollars already for waiting, which I've never seen a company do before.

The forum must be doing some weird things - I commented on that thread a few days ago and even had it disappear from the forum. I thought he sold them. Now with your link, I guess it's still there?

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Haven't you had some of the DIYSG designs as well? How would you compare these to something like the HTM series if you've had a chance to hear them?

I've been curious about the difference between a wide dispersion design and the controlled directivity of the SEOS waveguide. I just built a pair of HTM's and they are a big improvement in my room in several areas but I admit I have not done a side by side with accurate wide dispersion designs like Revel.

I'm tempted to build a pair of Jeff Bagby's Helix Dome just for fun, and to compare. I just wish there were more comprehensive measurements available regarding off axis performance and such, which I understand is rather critical with wide dispersion speakers for optimal sound quality.
I'll be in Pittsburgh in 2 months but it's a business trip with a schedule so unfortunately I doubt I'll get time to venture out. Otherwise the HTMs would be cool to hear.

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I'll be in Pittsburgh in 2 months but it's a business trip with a schedule so unfortunately I doubt I'll get time to venture out. Otherwise the HTMs would be cool to hear.
My door is open for you if you get any free time. Be glad to demo what I have, and would be definitely be interested in your impressions as your focus seems geared towards musical sound quality.
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Yep, that’s me!

I like them facing straight ahead. The only reason I would tow them in would be if you wanted a bit more treble at your listening position.
Would these work for home theater. Probably using a 3rd speaker as the center speaker and adding a sub?
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Would these work for home theater. Probably using a 3rd speaker as the center speaker and adding a sub?

almost anything can work as home theater crossed over w/sub....these are like 2 grand bookshelves...they better work
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Would these work for home theater. Probably using a 3rd speaker as the center speaker and adding a sub?


Or try them in phantom mode. I’ve had great results with this method.


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Would these work for home theater. Probably using a 3rd speaker as the center speaker and adding a sub?
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Or try them in phantom mode. I’ve had great results with this method.


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I also own a set of Aperion Audio Intimus speakers and have been thinking they would make for good accompanying center and surrounds with either the s300 or s400. Not to say they sound the same but I bet they would all work well enough together for surround sound. They even have matching finishes. 60 day trial and free shipping(on non-sale prices) to try it out.

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A pair for sale in Indiana: https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/...helf-speakers/

Also of note, the seller compared them to Martin Logan electrostatic speakers (pictured), and says he preferred the Buchardts. No detail is given, though, and no indication whether bass response was leveled to minimize our preference for speakers with better bass.

Edit: Also some S300s: https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/...mkii-speakers/

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