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Buchardt S400’s

There’s a lot of positive buzz, particularly on YouTube regarding these speakers. They are reputed to image very well and have excellent bass response. The demand had been so overwhelming, the company is sold out and no more will be available until June, when last I checked. Does anyone owns these and care to post impressions?
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Agreed. The price seems decent, too, especially with the discount for pre-ordering and being patient.

I realize most discussion will be about the S400, but should the thread be renamed Buchardt Audio Thread?
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I always wonder with a waveguide that big, don't you need a big foam block like on the Gedlee Abbey to suppress all the higher order modes generated by such a waveguide?
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I always wonder with a waveguide that big, don't you need a big foam block like on the Gedlee Abbey to suppress all the higher order modes generated by such a waveguide?
I own the Mackie MR624s which have a similar "logarithmic" waveguide. The claim is that the computer modeling reduces or eliminates those kinds of problems. Personally, I have no way to verify.
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I've owned these speakers for the last month or so and could give you some info about them. I'm not a seasoned audiophile, but been running Kef Q300's on a NAD 150 watt integrated with a high end dac, thick cables, sand filled stands, acoustic treatment on the walls, and proper positioning. I care about how my setup sounds, and yes, these speakers really do live up to the hype. The deep waveguide doesn't give it a horn sound like an older klipsch, but it does give them a certain energy others speakers don't seem to have. What they were trying for was for the tweeter to have the same dispersion and off-axis response as the woofer and they seem to have pulled it off very well. These things have a massive soundstage and they recommend pointing them straight forward, but I found the center image to be lacking for watching movies, so I gave them a very slight toe in and it brought everything together perfectly. The thing that surprised me most was how well they sound when I'm in another room and have them turned up. Not only do they fill an entire room with music, but they can fill the next room over as well.
These speakers do like a decent amount of power and can play very loud. The amount of sound that comes from these little speakers is quite impressive. The treble is very neutral and lets you shovel some current to the speakers and not cause fatigue, and the bass is nothing short of amazing. I'm currently in the process of sending back the new svs subwoofer I bought because the crossover only goes down to 50hz and these speakers hit well below that and I couldn't get them to blend properly. I literally had a moment when I thought I had the sub and speakers blended perfectly and the low bass sounding great when I reached back and saw the subwoofer wasn't even on. I've found the distance from a back wall is very important with these speakers having a 5x8" passive radiator on the back. I spent many hours of critical listening getting them the right distance from the wall and found 12" to be the perfect distance.
Word of caution to anyone buying these. The break-in period on these speakers is a very real thing. Easily 100 hour minimum before they truly came together, with a few hours at high volume with bass heavy music to get the woofer and passive radiator flexing. These speakers are 4 ohm, which I think is a good thing considering how they like a lot of power. I tried them on an 80 watt integrated amp and was not very impressed at higher volumes. I'd recommend giving them a minimum of 120 watts to be able to hear them for what they are and I'm already saving up for a PS Audio setup that'll give them 300 watts because my 150 watt NAD integrated taps out before the speakers do.
Anyways, just saw this thread and figured I'd throw my opinion out there for anyone interested. Overall I am very happy with my purchase and cannot thing of anything else for the money I would rather have.
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Anyways, just saw this thread and figured I'd throw my opinion out there for anyone interested. Overall I am very happy with my purchase and cannot thing of anything else for the money I would rather have.
Congrats, very nice looking speakers.

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I've owned these speakers for the last month or so and could give you some info about them. I'm not a seasoned audiophile, but been running Kef Q300's on a NAD 150 watt integrated with a high end dac, thick cables, sand filled stands, acoustic treatment on the walls, and proper positioning. I care about how my setup sounds, and yes, these speakers really do live up to the hype. The deep waveguide doesn't give it a horn sound like an older klipsch, but it does give them a certain energy others speakers don't seem to have. What they were trying for was for the tweeter to have the same dispersion and off-axis response as the woofer and they seem to have pulled it off very well. These things have a massive soundstage and they recommend pointing them straight forward, but I found the center image to be lacking for watching movies, so I gave them a very slight toe in and it brought everything together perfectly. The thing that surprised me most was how well they sound when I'm in another room and have them turned up. Not only do they fill an entire room with music, but they can fill the next room over as well.
These speakers do like a decent amount of power and can play very loud. The amount of sound that comes from these little speakers is quite impressive. The treble is very neutral and lets you shovel some current to the speakers and not cause fatigue, and the bass is nothing short of amazing. I'm currently in the process of sending back the new svs subwoofer I bought because the crossover only goes down to 50hz and these speakers hit well below that and I couldn't get them to blend properly. I literally had a moment when I thought I had the sub and speakers blended perfectly and the low bass sounding great when I reached back and saw the subwoofer wasn't even on. I've found the distance from a back wall is very important with these speakers having a 5x8" passive radiator on the back. I spent many hours of critical listening getting them the right distance from the wall and found 12" to be the perfect distance.
Word of caution to anyone buying these. The break-in period on these speakers is a very real thing. Easily 100 hour minimum before they truly came together, with a few hours at high volume with bass heavy music to get the woofer and passive radiator flexing. These speakers are 4 ohm, which I think is a good thing considering how they like a lot of power. I tried them on an 80 watt integrated amp and was not very impressed at higher volumes. I'd recommend giving them a minimum of 120 watts to be able to hear them for what they are and I'm already saving up for a PS Audio setup that'll give them 300 watts because my 150 watt NAD integrated taps out before the speakers do.
Anyways, just saw this thread and figured I'd throw my opinion out there for anyone interested. Overall I am very happy with my purchase and cannot thing of anything else for the money I would rather have.
Nice review, thanks.

I think someone who has movies as a high priority will still want a sub(s), as modern movies need the heavy lifting that only those tailor-made devices can do really well. That's not a knock against the S400's - virtually all bookshelf/standmount speakers and most towers can't reproduce the content in the 15-40Hz range that 12, 15, 18" drivers can. And, even if you have a tower that does, it still can not be positioned to best take advantage of that bass, as it's stuck in position up front for your midrange and high-frequency needs.

Anyway, these speakers have my attention.
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I'd love to hear how these sound compared to: http://www.salksound.com/model.php?m...lay%20Monitors

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I'd love to hear how these sound compared to: http://www.salksound.com/model.php?m...lay%20Monitors
Those are powered monitors, wouldn't it be better to compare those to studio monitors and other powered speakers?
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The Buchardt's S400's do look interesting. Anyone know how much these cost in US dollars? I will check out Z's review of them. I like the look as they are unique............LOL!!!!


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The Buchardt's S400's do look interesting. Anyone know how much these cost in US dollars? I will check out Z's review of them. I like the look as they are unique............LOL!!!!


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Cnet's review mentioned $1200/pair.
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Cnet's review mentioned $1200/pair.
Thanks once again Geoff. Plan to do some reading up on the S400's. $1200 a set is a bit out of my price range. But, perhaps I can make it work should I decide to go in that direction. However, really fond of the Focal Aria 906's. Slowly but surely narrowing things down. Oh what a ride it has been.


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At current exchange rates:

For Black or White with the Pre-Order Discount: $1700/pair
For Smoked Oak with the Pre-Order Discount: $1820/pair
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Those are powered monitors, wouldn't it be better to compare those to studio monitors and other powered speakers?
Why not? I buy with my wallet. If the cost is in the same ballpark, one has to consider what they are getting for their dollar.

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Thanks once again Geoff. Plan to do some reading up on the S400's. $1200 a set is a bit out of my price range. But, perhaps I can make it work should I decide to go in that direction. However, really fond of the Focal Aria 906's. Slowly but surely narrowing things down. Oh what a ride it has been.


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Yeah, hard to beat the Aria 906's with essentially a risk free financial "gamble" ordering from Crutchfield with their $10/box return shipping charge within 60 days.
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Why not? I buy with my wallet. If the cost is in the same ballpark, one has to consider what they are getting for their dollar.
I think it goes without saying you buy with your own wallet, unless you are stealing money from someone else :P

The cost of powered monitors includes a DAC and amp so generally they can't be directly compared with passive speakers in the same price range. A good analog is to look at Dynaudio's passive vs active speakers--in the same price range that they use their flagship esotar drivers in their passive speakers, they use entry-level esotec drivers in their active lineup because you get what you pay for, and the dac and amp price cost have to come out of somewhere.
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Listening Window looks really good...would this give ribbons a run for their money?



There do appear to be some resonances, but everyone loves the way they sound so far.

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Based on June availability, and the large amount of internet interest, there will probably be a lot more discussion surrounding these this summer.

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I have to say that Im one of the few that doesnt like measurements as indication to sound. I have done alot of work to get my system very flat with little ringing and it just sounds blah....rew just showed me what I dont like.

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I have to say that Im one of the few that doesnt like measurements as indication to sound. I have done alot of work to get my system very flat with little ringing and it just sounds blah....rew just showed me what I dont like.
Right, but that's in-room. I don't like flat in-room sound, either, and that is true of the majority of listeners. When evaluating speakers, it's the anechoic measurements that need to show flat, smooth response.

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Listening Window looks really good...would this give ribbons a run for their money?



There do appear to be some resonances, but everyone loves the way they sound so far.

I'm not sure i'm seeing anything other than some -possibly inaudible- interference effects. Could you elobarate on the resonances in question? The only 'issue' I'm seeing is a slight rising response up the high treble.
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Cnet's review mentioned $1200/pair.

CNet's review was for the the $1200 S300 MKII, not the S400 (which cost more).


They're very different designs and I don't think CNet has reviewed the S400 yet.
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CNet's review was for the the $1200 S300 MKII, not the S400 (which cost more).


They're very different designs and I don't think CNet has reviewed the S400 yet.


Yes, the S400 is of more interest to me, and will measure (and sound) differently.


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Yeah, hard to beat the Aria 906's with essentially a risk free financial "gamble" ordering from Crutchfield with their $10/box return shipping charge within 60 days.

Good point on the Focals. On that note, should be said that Buchardt also gives everyone a 30 day trial with free return shipping. So I would think that adds to the appeal of their deal as well. It does appear that their €100/200 pre-order discount has ended, though. I put my order in March so I anxiously await.


Would also say that it's a good sign that I haven't really seen any of these on the used market (not just S400s, but the S300/S300 II and even the old S200s as well). I'm sure we eventually will, but seeing the lack of them is a good sign of customer satisfaction. The free return shipping if you aren't happy with them is probably one of the reasons for that, but I also haven't seen any posts on forums from anyone that said they're sending theirs back.
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Have a bone to pick.

Buchardt will charge your card now even if stock isn't expected for months. Wasn't anticipating having a large CC bill this month

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Have a bone to pick.

Buchardt will charge your card now even if stock isn't expected for months. Wasn't anticipating having a large CC bill this month

Did you put your order in during the time of the pre-order discount? If you did, then that's the trade off. You're paying up front and waiting in exchange for a discount.


Now if you ordered when their pre-order discount deal was already over, then that's definitely not cool on their part.
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Did you put your order in during the time of the pre-order discount? If you did, then that's the trade off. You're paying up front and waiting in exchange for a discount.


Now if you ordered when their pre-order discount deal was already over, then that's definitely not cool on their part.
I did get in on the pre-order. I just don't believe a charge should be made until the product is about to be shipped.

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I did get in on the pre-order. I just don't believe a charge should be made until the product is about to be shipped.
Check both when shipment was promised as well as with your credit card issuer. Some cards don't allow charges before shipping, but as far as I can tell researching, it's not against the law. You are protected against not receiving something you get charged for, but you've got to keep up with it. With so much online ordering, I confess I sometimes lose track of having ordered things like movies and music. Not a good habit...

BTW, my guess is that they're using the pre-order offer to finance actual production. Sort of like a kickstarter on their own.

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Check both when shipment was promised as well as with your credit card issuer. Some cards don't allow charges before shipping, but as far as I can tell researching, it's not against the law. You are protected against not receiving something you get charged for, but you've got to keep up with it. With so much online ordering, I confess I sometimes lose track of having ordered things like movies and music. Not a good habit...

BTW, my guess is that they're using the pre-order offer to finance actual production. Sort of like a kickstarter on their own.
That's my guess as well.

I doubt the credit card company can really help out in this case unless he just wants to outright cancel the order. (Though he could probably do that by asking Buchardt themselves). I seriously doubt a credit card company will go to the trouble of mediating the conditions of a pre-order discount.

I'm sure if you explained the situation to a CC company, all they'd say in response is "So would you like us to cancel the order?"

As you said, the whole point of the pre-order offer was likely finance related.
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I'm not going to pursue it, it's just caused a bit of a bind for me. I guess I need to sell some other gear a bit more quickly.

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