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Tower recommendations for very large family room with poor acoustics

My old second-hand paradigms are finally giving up the ghost. This room is never going to sound great (hardwood floors, plaster walls and ceiling, etc.). As such, my main concern is filling the room with sound and keeping costs in check.

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Just to clarify, I'm more than willing to spend a couple grand on front towers and a center speaker. I'm just not looking to waste money on a setup that will never provide an excuisite listening experience due to the realities of the situation.
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I have the ultimate nightmare room.....long & narrow, tile floors, and big glass sliding glass doors with bright sun coming in....aka Florida room
I'll spare you the pics but I have the Emotiva T2 & C2----They do a very good job of filling the room with sound. Are you looking for music or HT (movies, TV) mostly?

https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...peaker-review/
I really like the speakers----but really hate their looks.

Another good tower reasonably priced is Chane A5.4

If you want to spend a bit more money Crutchfeld has some towers on sale....

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HT, mix of shows and movies.

Wife spends as much time in the room as I do, so physical appearance is importance.
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Svs ultra series. Will do the job.
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My old second-hand paradigms are finally giving up the ghost. This room is never going to sound great (hardwood floors, plaster walls and ceiling, etc.). As such, my main concern is filling the room with sound and keeping costs in check.

Thanks for the recommendations!
Kef Q or R series. The concentric driver provides great imaging and off axis response which would be ideal if you have multiple seating locations throughout the room.
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Kef Q or R series. The concentric driver provides great imaging and off axis response which would be ideal if you have multiple seating locations throughout the room.
And FWIW, the Q950 in white is available refurbished right now, so a front set of speakers with a Q650c could stay under $2K if OP likes the cosmetics of the white Q-series.

https://hdgear.highdefdigest.com/563...iesreview.html
https://www.soundstageaccess.com/ind...0-loudspeakers

I might be just a little biased since I hooked up a pair of Q550s as my front speakers yesterday.
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The Q950s look very promosing. I'll also check out the Klipschs. Thanks for the recs!
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Where are you located? Might be something in the classifieds here or craigslist there that would fit the bill.
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Just to clarify, I'm more than willing to spend a couple grand on front towers and a center speaker. I'm just not looking to waste money on a setup that will never provide an excuisite listening experience due to the realities of the situation.
Spend $500-600 on acoustic treatments and a thick rug, and the rest on new speakers. A poor room will sound poor no matter what you put in it. Another pair of newer version second-hand paradigms could be had for $600-800/pr, then keep an eye out for a matching center channel.
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I'm well aware of the significant benefits of acoustic treatments. Other than a rug, which we have, additional treatments are not an option with this room. That's the problem with old houses and original plaster walls, ceilings, moldings etc.

This is also why I am not looking to break the bank with these speakers. Just something of decent quality that won't struggle with filling the room and off axis listening.
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In a room like that, I would plan on a pair of subs first, and speakers second. My [handicapped] sons place is like yours, hardwood floors, plaster walls and vaulted ceiling. The echo makes making stuff sound good, a challenge. You want to stay away from 'bright' sounding speakers as that will be highlighted in your room. I used a pair of MartinLogan subwoofers and made them wireless with https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...ofers--300-580 and they are wonderful. I then set him up with a pair of Philharmonic affordable accuracy towers and matching surround speakers [I don't use a center channel in any of my systems, I am a fan of and strong advocate for 'phantom' center channel sound ] along with a Denon AVR X1000 and man, it sounds really good, and seriously fills the room [which opens into a dining room/kitchen area with vaulted ceiling AND skylight] with sound and off axis bliss.

Anyway, my suggestion is to get a couple of subs, and an AVR with a good room correction, like Audyssey Multeq XT, and some Dennis Murphy Philharmonic Affordable Accuracy speakers. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. http://philharmonicaudio.com/
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@Squirrel! Sounds like we have an almost identical approach. I already have two SVT subs that are humming (thumping?) along just fine. The room setup you describe is exactly what I am going for. I will check out the speakers you recommend. Thanks for the suggest!
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@Squirrel! Sounds like we have an almost identical approach. I already have two SVT subs that are humming (thumping?) along just fine. The room setup you describe is exactly what I am going for. I will check out the speakers you recommend. Thanks for the suggest!
Philharmonic Audio, sadly, is no longer in business due to health issues of the owner Dennis Murphy.

As you are looking at towers, which can be very expensive to return, consider the brands offered by Crutchfield with their flat $75/pair returns within 60 days.

The absolutely gorgeous Wharfedale Revas with slightly laid back sound according to reviews might be ideal for your space and are currently on steep discount.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-k8XSu9...xoCg5kQAvD_BwE

Top of the line tower just $1500/pair in one of several available wood veneers and hand applied lacquer.

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In that room, you will want to stay away from the traditionally bright speaker brands. I like the previous rec for the Wharfedale speakers (Reva 3, especially). You might also consider something from Totem, perhaps the Sky (bookshelf or tower).

https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index...r-loudspeakers

Also, the Sonus Faber Venere 2.0 or 2.5 ...

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...25-loudspeaker

If you want high dBs, look at the Chane A5.4s.
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I third the Wharfedales and will add one suggestion, Monitor Audio. Beautiful finish and laid back. In my experience, good for reflective hard surface rooms.
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Just thinking out loud here, but since the room is highly reflective, I think it would make sense to consider speakers that are engineered to have outstanding off axis response. This will make reflected sound match the direct sound for improved sound quality. The two brands off the top of my head that follow the mantra of accuracy and excellent on and off axis response would be Revel and KEF. I'm sure there are others but those two would be excellent choices imo and based on some objective data.
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Went with the Q950s. Thanks everyone for your input.
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Went with the Q950s. Thanks everyone for your input.
Looking forward to your impressions.

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Went with the Q950s. Thanks everyone for your input.


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The Q950s were delivered yesterday. Their off-axis flexibility is very impressive. We have a very large L-shape sectional in a large rectangle room, and the speakers sound surprisingly good everywhere I sit.

I was hoping for a little more with respect to high level stereo output, but they perform well enough.

Unfortunately, it appears the box was dropped on one of the speaker's corners and crinkled the corner fairly bad, so they will be going back to accessories4less. Otherwise, I definitely would have kept them.
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The Q950s were delivered yesterday. Their off-axis flexibility is very impressive. We have a very large L-shape sectional in a large rectangle room, and the speakers sound surprisingly good everywhere I sit.

I was hoping for a little more with respect to high level stereo output, but they perform well enough.

Unfortunately, it appears the box was dropped on one of the speaker's corners and crinkled the corner fairly bad, so they will be going back to accessories4less. Otherwise, I definitely would have kept them.
Let us know how the return process works for you at A4L.

It seems the only time they don't charge you a restocking fee or the real price of shipping to you is on an exchange basis, not a refund basis where you still get charged.

I'm assuming you are returning for refund or are they sending you a new speaker?

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Their website indicates they also don't charge for shipping/restocking fee and pay for return shipping when items are damaged during shipping.

Let's just say the return is a work in process.
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Their website indicates they also don't charge for shipping/restocking fee and pay for return shipping when items are damaged during shipping.

Let's just say the return is a work in process.
Don't be surprised, many others have.

It will likely cost you a couple of hundred dollars depending on where you live...but I hope I'm wrong.

But if they are sending you a replacement you should be fine with no additional costs.

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