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Okay, I asked and was told that the in-walls should become available in about six weeks.
Awesome, thanks! My emails to them remain unanswered, appreciate you taking the time to ask them.
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Too bad they don't offer an Atmos-less version, as many people aren't interested/unequipped for that, and the extra cost for a non-wanted feature could be a turn off. $400 each w/o Atmos would be sweet.

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I think they look good. I mean, other than fancy veneers, how different can most speakers in this price range look from one another? To each his own I guess. At this price point I’d much prefer that my money pays for performance vs. a marginal difference in appearance.
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There is no provision for that and generally speaking, upfiring Atmos speakers require some space from the wall for proper placement, in order to work as advertised.

So without the ability to wall mount and considering the size how are folks setting these up? On the ground? On a stand?


I'm trying to figure how I would place these at home.
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So without the ability to wall mount and considering the size how are folks setting these up? On the ground? On a stand?


I'm trying to figure how I would place these at home.
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Oh baby... that in-wall version is awfully tempting. Still would be nice to have a non-atmos "mini-tower" (I kinda hate that term but it is useful to differentiate from the smaller bookshelf speaker) though because in-walls are almost always great for surrounds, but not always from LCRs. However, the mini-towers are cheap enough to where I wouldn't really mind buying them and just skipping the atmos module part.

My dream of having identical (or really close to it) speakers all the way around the room might become a reality!
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imagic have you heard the emotiva t2s or t1s and the accompanying centers.

they are roughly the same price and ive been looking at those also.
if so how do these compare?
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imagic have you heard the emotiva t2s or t1s and the accompanying centers.

they are roughly the same price and ive been looking at those also.
if so how do these compare?
I have heard 'em, yes. But I can't really compare, too much time and too many things changed (room layout, AVR I used) since I had Emotivas in to review. But these are the two brands that are really killing it value-wise.

I'm giving a subjective nod to the Monoliths for having better off-axis behavior and maintaining a seamless soundstage off-axis. But unlike the Emotiva towers, you simply cannot run these Monoprice without a sub.

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I have heard 'em, yes. But I can't really compare, too much time and too many things changed (room layout, AVR I used) since I had Emotivas in to review. But these are the two brands that are really killing it value-wise.

I'm giving a subjective nod to the Monoliths for having better off-axis behavior and maintaining a seamless soundstage off-axis. But unlike the Emotiva towers, you simply cannot run these Monoprice without a sub.

i have a sub and im sure people who look at these monolith 5.0 speakers probably are using one also. so basically you recommend the monolith over the emotiva if using a sub
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i have a sub and im sure people who look at these monolith 5.0 speakers probably are using one also. so basically you recommend the monolith over the emotiva if using a sub
I recommend it if you want three essentially identical speakers for your front channels. Splitting hairs here, sort of. Also, will you use the built-in Atmos? If so then advantage Monoprice. Different designs that end of day both perform well.

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Too bad they don't offer an Atmos-less version, as many people aren't interested/unequipped for that, and the extra cost for a non-wanted feature could be a turn off. $400 each w/o Atmos would be sweet.
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I'd like to see the mini-towers made available without the Atmos module; to my ears, they deliver sound that punches above the price point.
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Still would be nice to have a non-atmos "mini-tower"
If your space can accommodate horizontal mains, an trio of Monolith THX-365C centre channels across the front is always a non-Atmos option.

Horizontal 3-ways are good enough for dts's main demo room.

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imagic have you heard the emotiva t2s or t1s and the accompanying centers.

they are roughly the same price and ive been looking at those also.
if so how do these compare?
Since the mini-towers are priced each rather than a pair (thought that looked to good to be true when first posted), it strikes me that the Emotiva's are still the best bang for the buck at this price point. The T1s are $498 a PAIR on closeout, and the T2s are $800 a pair. If Monoprice did a non-Atmos version that hit the sub-$800 a pair price point for the minis, they would be far more attractive an option.

Throw in Emotiva's rep for exceptional customer service vs. Monoprice's rep for non-service, and well...
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If your space can accommodate horizontal mains, an trio of Monolith THX-365C centre channels across the front is always a non-Atmos option.

Horizontal 3-ways are good enough for dts's main demo room.


It always helps to have the right size room & layout too.

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If your space can accommodate horizontal mains, an trio of Monolith THX-365C centre channels across the front is always a non-Atmos option.
Good point!

Too bad the tweeter/midrange plate wasn't designed to be turned to make it an LCR that could also be used vertically.

But as in your picture, could work for many.

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I was thinking why not just get 5 of the center channel speakers. The sides are flat. Just stand it up on one of its sides. Would the speaker sound different just by rotating it 90 degrees?

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I was thinking why not just get 5 of the center channel speakers. The sides are flat. Just stand it up on one of its sides. Would the speaker sound different just by rotating it 90 degrees?

Tweeter and midrange driver would be side by side horizontally, not ideal. In the larger atmos version they are vertical plane. Really shame it can´t be turned as GajCa mentioned.

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says these have 1 year warranty or is that a mistake
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They have a 5 year warranty. The site will be updated. Sorry about that!

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They have a 5 year warranty. The site will be updated. Sorry about that!

I will echo others in recommending that you have a non-Atmos enabled LCR version made available at a lower price that has a sturdy mounting point if you want to wall mount the bookshelfs as surrounds. Then have matching separate combo surrounds/overheads that are similar to the SVS Prime Elevations that also be safely mounted on the ceiling, but perhaps have better bass response and a wider dispersion. I would actually rather have an optional adjustable yolk mounting rig that comes in the package like commercial JBL coaxial surrounds and some outdoor speakers. That way you can fine tune the angles of the speaker drivers. Options are good to have.
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Tweeter and midrange driver would be side by side horizontally, not ideal. In the larger atmos version they are vertical plane. Really shame it can´t be turned as GajCa mentioned.

Speakers are omnidirectional in half space. That drawing makes no sense. You could change where the lobing is pointed by rotating the whole speaker, but you don't get some magic difference if you spin the drivers 90 degrees.

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Speakers are omnidirectional in half space. That drawing makes no sense. You could change where the lobing is pointed by rotating the whole speaker, but you don't get some magic difference if you spin the drivers 90 degrees.
"Mounting a speaker horizontally, like nearly all center channel speakers, almost always sacrifices performance for convenience. Our ears are more sensitive to the acoustical interference caused by horizontal lobing errors than they are to vertical lobing errors of multiple drivers being physically separated while sharing the same signal and bandwidth of operation."

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"Mounting a speaker horizontally, like nearly all center channel speakers, almost always sacrifices performance for convenience. Our ears are more sensitive to the acoustical interference caused by horizontal lobing errors than they are to vertical lobing errors of multiple drivers being physically separated while sharing the same signal and bandwidth of operation."

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Your point? I mentioned lobing in my reply. The drawing is still crap. Speakers emit sound in 360 degrees not in two 90 degree arcs to the side. The same green "interference" areas are still there when the speaker is vertical.
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ascend acoustics has the 340 lrc also with dual 6.5 woofers, midrange and same type of tweeter, soft dome? for roughly 1k
roughly same price if monoprice offered the mini towers without atmos
have you heard those imagic
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Speakers are omnidirectional in half space. That drawing makes no sense. You could change where the lobing is pointed by rotating the whole speaker, but you don't get some magic difference if you spin the drivers 90 degrees.
Horizontal MTM is fine when you sit straight against it, but move enough to side and the sound changes. Vertical orientation is better, there is few reviews where they have turned the speaker upright and "magical" difference happened.

Little off-topic, but here is B&W CM serie MTM centre measured horizontally and vertically.

https://www.audioholics.com/loudspea...surements.html

https://www.audioholics.com/loudspea...surements.html

In every case where we measured a center channel speaker with redundant horizontal drivers we were able to improve the smoothness of its horizontal frequency response in that range by reorienting the speaker vertically. While only the $600 MTM was symmetrical enough to be universally improved by using it vertically, we can clearly see the wave interference in the designs and ways to avoid it.
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Your point? I mentioned lobing in my reply. The drawing is still crap. Speakers emit sound in 360 degrees not in two 90 degree arcs to the side. The same green "interference" areas are still there when the speaker is vertical.
I guess you didn't read that article.

Perhaps you want to discuss with Dr Floyd Toole your new theory that vertical lobing is an issue in speaker design.

I'm sure he'll be all ears to discover this new "problem" that you've identified.

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I guess you didn't read that article.

Perhaps you want to discuss with Dr Floyd Toole your new theory that vertical lobing is an issue in speaker design.

I'm sure he'll be all ears to discover this new "problem" that you've identified.

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You keep posting, but you're not getting it. You're not reading what I'm actually posting. There is vertical lobing. The drawing is highly misleading and inaccurate. I've made no comments on whether vertical lobing is a serious issue to worry about.
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Horizontal MTM is fine when you sit straight against it, but move enough to side and the sound changes. Vertical orientation is better, there is few reviews where they have turned the speaker upright and "magical" difference happened.

Little off-topic, but here is B&W CM serie MTM centre measured horizontally and vertically.

https://www.audioholics.com/loudspea...surements.html

https://www.audioholics.com/loudspea...surements.html

In every case where we measured a center channel speaker with redundant horizontal drivers we were able to improve the smoothness of its horizontal frequency response in that range by reorienting the speaker vertically. While only the $600 MTM was symmetrical enough to be universally improved by using it vertically, we can clearly see the wave interference in the designs and ways to avoid it.
I didn't say turn the speaker. I said turn the drivers. I was very precise with the language I used for a reason.
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