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NHT C1s and TWOC setup

I'm putting together a 5.1 system I have four NHT C1s and a TWOC classic as my center

Also does the classic energy take 200 watt subwoofer pair well with these speakers? the NHT CS-10 10-Inch Long Throw Powered Subwoofer ($600.00) is out of my budget for now

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I'm putting together a 5.1 system I have four NHT superzero and a superone as my center does it matter if the NHT superone is placed horizontal?

Also does the classic energy take 200 watt subwoofer pair well with these speakers? the NHT CS-10 10-Inch Long Throw Powered Subwoofer ($600.00) is out of my budget for now
I don't think having the speaker on it's side will be an issue. You can try it both ways and see if there's a difference.


If you already have the sub, go with it until you can upgrade. if you have no sub, how much can you spend on one?

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For $600 you can get a much better sub than the NHT CS10 sub. Wait for the SVS SB12-NSD to come back around during the fall for $399 and hold onto your Energy sub until then.

https://www.svsound.com/products/sb1...e200740a1c0e0c

the box is around the same size as the CS10 with a larger woofer and more powerful amp.

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I'm putting together a 5.1 system I have four NHT superzero and a superone as my center does it matter if the NHT superone is placed horizontal?

Also does the classic energy take 200 watt subwoofer pair well with these speakers? the NHT CS-10 10-Inch Long Throw Powered Subwoofer ($600.00) is out of my budget for now
I also have a NHT speakers for my 5.1 system. Why don't you get 2 SuperOne 2.1 and use them as your mains instead of the Superzero? That way you can set your crossover to 80 and get a much better sound, better bass and can handle more power than the SuperZero. With the Superzero you will have to use at the very least 100hz. SuperZero are fine as surrounds but not as mains. You can get a SuperOne 2.1 for less than $100 on Amazon. One of the best bang for the buck speaker that's out there.
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I'm putting together a 5.1 system I have four NHT superzero and a superone as my center does it matter if the NHT superone is placed horizontal?

Also does the classic energy take 200 watt subwoofer pair well with these speakers? the NHT CS-10 10-Inch Long Throw Powered Subwoofer ($600.00) is out of my budget for now
If you have one main listening position it can work on its side but it's less than ideal if you have numerous seating positions.

NHT is NOT known for above average subwoofers while Rhythmik, HSU and Monolith THX are the price/value leaders around the $500 mark.

The NHT is sealed with a 10" driver and 300 watt amp.

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

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Thanks decided to go with NHT C1 for mains L R and center superzeros for surround The superones were too big for my setup blocked some of the TV screen I couldn't tell sound difference between the superone and C1

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I couldn't tell sound difference between the superone and C1
If HT/TV is your main usage, that makes perfect sense. It's music listening where the subtle differences become noticeable, since your senses are not preoccupied visually.
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ended up getting the NHT Classic Two C Speaker from Amazon.ca $130 Canadian which is about $95 US it was the last one left out of stock now

"3-way designs are important to home theater center speakers because their dispersion is very wide in both the horizontal and vertical planes. This means consistent tonality and good detail virtually anywhere the viewer is seated. In addition to traditional center channel use, the TwoC can be used as a left or right speaker when a low profile, low distortion solution is needed. The TwoC will always outperform bookshelf speakers turned sideways."
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ended up getting the NHT Classic Two C Speaker from Amazon.ca $130 Canadian which is about $95 US it was the last one left out of stock now

"3-way designs are important to home theater center speakers because their dispersion is very wide in both the horizontal and vertical planes. This means consistent tonality and good detail virtually anywhere the viewer is seated. In addition to traditional center channel use, the TwoC can be used as a left or right speaker when a low profile, low distortion solution is needed. The TwoC will always outperform bookshelf speakers turned sideways."
Very nice; great deal.

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I keep getting ear fatigue from this center speaker I think it's because the tweeter is louder then the bookshelf I didn't have this problem with the superzero, superone, or the C1 bookshelf speakers I was switching between the superone and the TWOC center the TWOC center tweeter plays much louder at the same volume are all center speakers like this? bright and annoying

I listened to music , youtube videos and blu ray movies with the superone all played the same with the TWOC center the only thing that sounds good is bluray movies music doesn't sound right too bright and youtube videos are also too bright this is because the tweeters play too loud
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I keep getting ear fatigue from this center speaker I think it's because the tweeter is louder then the bookshelf I didn't have this problem with the superzero, superone, or the C1 bookshelf speakers I was switching between the superone and the TWOC center the TWOC center tweeter plays much louder at the same volume are all center speakers like this? bright and annoying

I listened to music , youtube videos and blu ray movies with the superone all played the same with the TWOC center the only thing that sounds good is bluray movies music doesn't sound right too bright and youtube videos are also too bright this is because the tweeters play too loud
try eq 'ing before you give up on them.. are they a lot brighter than the c1's? seems to me the c1's should be about the same , i think they have the same tweeter...maybe it's the mids ? the center , i think, has aluminum cone and the c1 is poly..from what i can gather if anything the c1 should show signs of stress or brightness quicker than that center based on size , but that's just a guess...

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I keep getting ear fatigue from this center speaker I think it's because the tweeter is louder then the bookshelf I didn't have this problem with the superzero, superone, or the C1 bookshelf speakers I was switching between the superone and the TWOC center the TWOC center tweeter plays much louder at the same volume are all center speakers like this? bright and annoying

I listened to music , youtube videos and blu ray movies with the superone all played the same with the TWOC center the only thing that sounds good is bluray movies music doesn't sound right too bright and youtube videos are also too bright this is because the tweeters play too loud
What receiver are you using as EQ should tame that somewhat and if you have a Denon/Marantz receiver you might want to lower the volume level of the center and use Cinema EQ.

Make sure Dynamic Volume and EQ is off.
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What receiver are you using as EQ should tame that somewhat and if you have a Denon/Marantz receiver you might want to lower the volume level of the center and use Cinema EQ.

Make sure Dynamic Volume and EQ is off.
Yamaha natural sound receiver RX-S600

Equalizer is set to PEQ I have the option of GEQ or OFF

I don't have Dynamic volume I have things like DSP level, Adaptive DRC, Enhancer, Volume trim, DSP Parameter, Panorama, Center Width, Dimension, Center Image
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Yamaha natural sound receiver RX-S600

Equalizer is set to PEQ I have the option of GEQ or OFF

I don't have Dynamic volume I have things like DSP level, Adaptive DRC, Enhancer, Volume trim, DSP Parameter, Panorama, Center Width, Dimension, Center Image
Sorry, not familiar with the EQ options on Yamaha receivers.

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Yamaha natural sound receiver RX-S600

Equalizer is set to PEQ I have the option of GEQ or OFF

I don't have Dynamic volume I have things like DSP level, Adaptive DRC, Enhancer, Volume trim, DSP Parameter, Panorama, Center Width, Dimension, Center Image
go to geq and try eq'ing the 1k hz and up range *down*(v...v).. start with an aggressive (-3 db bottom) and adjust to preference from there .. this *could* help a bunch , i have found flatter response type speakers are easier to eq ...

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I keep getting ear fatigue from this center speaker I think it's because the tweeter is louder then the bookshelf I didn't have this problem with the superzero, superone, or the C1 bookshelf speakers I was switching between the superone and the TWOC center the TWOC center tweeter plays much louder at the same volume are all center speakers like this? bright and annoying

I listened to music , youtube videos and blu ray movies with the superone all played the same with the TWOC center the only thing that sounds good is bluray movies music doesn't sound right too bright and youtube videos are also too bright this is because the tweeters play too loud
Forget about EQ...far more important is: did you LEVEL MATCH the center to the other speakers? If your L/R speakers are SuperZeros it's 100% predictable that they'd be totally overpowered by that center. I'd set the level of the center to be at least minus 4 to 6.

Better yet, I'd order an extra SuperOne so that you'll have 2 x SuperOnes for L/R.

But level match either way.

PS. When listening to music, do NOT use all-channel or surround mode, it will sound like dog poo, period. Especially if you're mixing such radically disparate speakers. Good ole 2.0 or 2.1 is the way to go for music.
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go to geq and try eq'ing the 1k hz and up range *down*(v...v).. start with an aggressive (-3 db bottom) and adjust to preference from there .. this *could* help a bunch , i have found flatter response type speakers are easier to eq ...
I will try this thanks
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Forget about EQ...far more important is: did you LEVEL MATCH the center to the other speakers? If your L/R speakers are SuperZeros it's 100% predictable that they'd be totally overpowered by that center. I'd set the level of the center to be at least minus 4 to 6.

Better yet, I'd order an extra SuperOne so that you'll have 2 x SuperOnes for L/R.

But level match either way.

PS. When listening to music, do NOT use all-channel or surround mode, it will sound like dog poo, period. Especially if you're mixing such radically disparate speakers. Good ole 2.0 or 2.1 is the way to go for music.
yamaha's do a pretty decent job on level matching in ypao.. it is about the only thing ypao works well on imo...the eq works pretty well on decent speakers, but it's gotta be done by ear or other software (ypao sucks on eq..)

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Forget about EQ...far more important is: did you LEVEL MATCH the center to the other speakers? If your L/R speakers are SuperZeros it's 100% predictable that they'd be totally overpowered by that center. I'd set the level of the center to be at least minus 4 to 6.

Better yet, I'd order an extra SuperOne so that you'll have 2 x SuperOnes for L/R.

But level match either way.

PS. When listening to music, do NOT use all-channel or surround mode, it will sound like dog poo, period. Especially if you're mixing such radically disparate speakers. Good ole 2.0 or 2.1 is the way to go for music.

The problem is dialogue is too high pitched sounding like the tweeter is next to my ear or in front of my face

L/R speakers are C1s and surround speakers are absolute zeros same as C1s just a different design

surround mode sounded good when I had the superone as my center now it sounds like dog poo with the TWOC lol
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The problem is dialogue is too high pitched sounding like the tweeter is next to my ear or in front of my face

L/R speakers are C1s and surround speakers are absolute zeros same as C1s just a different design

surround mode sounded good when I had the superone as my center now it sounds like dog poo with the TWOC lol
check for level matching as well, i think Zorba might be on to something .. did you run ypao on initial set up?, if not the center may well not be even close to level matched..there should be a level option right above the eq option in settings..

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The problem is dialogue is too high pitched sounding like the tweeter is next to my ear or in front of my face

L/R speakers are C1s and surround speakers are absolute zeros same as C1s just a different design

surround mode sounded good when I had the superone as my center now it sounds like dog poo with the TWOC lol
something is not right in the receiver, as stated check level matching .... and if needed cut the center level down .... also a 3-way center will have more clarity and detail.
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check for level matching as well, i think Zorba might be on to something .. did you run ypao on initial set up?, if not the center may well not be even close to level matched..there should be a level option right above the eq option in settings..
I did run ypao the level was set to -1.5 I set it to -3.0 and it does sound better now
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If you have one main listening position it can work on its side but it's less than ideal if you have numerous seating positions.

NHT is NOT known for above average subwoofers while Rhythmik, HSU and Monolith THX are the price/value leaders around the $500 mark.

The NHT is sealed with a 10" driver and 300 watt amp.

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

3 years 300watts =12w13h13d= 27 lbs 10" [24hz] $399 MARTIN LOGAN DYNAMO 700W, limited time offer
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5 years 300watts =13w14h16d= 27 lbs 12" [23hz] $499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)

5 years 500watts =13w16h21d= 50 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH MTS10 THX

3 years 300watts =14w14h16d= 58 lbs* 12" [18hz] $539 RHYTHMIK L12

5 years 500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)
* = shipping weight


I don't use the subwoofer often so I don't want something big and expensive keep in mind those prices are double if not triple here in Canada Can you recommended a sub that's in the price range of $100.00/$200.00 that will go well with the NHTs thanks
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I don't use the subwoofer often so I don't want something big and expensive keep in mind those prices are double if not triple here in Canada Can you recommended a sub that's in the price range of $100.00/$200.00 that will go well with the NHTs thanks
Assuming you have an audio video receiver that lets you set speaker crossover points to the sub, I have two of these in my secondary room and they work well. My sister in law and friend also have them in their 5.1 systems and all sound good.

https://www.amazon.ca/Yamaha-YSTSW01...tronics&sr=1-3

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Assuming you have an audio video receiver that lets you set speaker crossover points to the sub, I have two of these in my secondary room and they work well. My sister in law and friend also have them in their 5.1 systems and all sound good.

https://www.amazon.ca/Yamaha-YSTSW01...tronics&sr=1-3
what about this Yamaha NSSW050 B 8 in. Subwoofer it looks better the specs are the same and $20.00 less



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Driver: 20.3 cm (8 in.) cone
Dynamic power: 100 W (5 ohms)
Output power: 50 W (100 Hz, 5 ohms, 10% THD)
Frequency: 28-200 Hz
Advanced YST: yes
Twisted flare port: yes

Specifications:
Dimensions (W × D × H): 29.2 cm × 29.2 cm × 34 cm (11.5 in. × 11.5 in. × 13.38 in.)
Weight: 8.5 kg (18.7 lb.)



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I did run ypao the level was set to -1.5 I set it to -3.0 and it does sound better now
try eq'ing a bit too.. every little thing gets you closer to acceptable(or good)...

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what about this Yamaha NSSW050 B 8 in. Subwoofer it looks better the specs are the same and $20.00 less



Features:
Driver: 20.3 cm (8 in.) cone
Dynamic power: 100 W (5 ohms)
Output power: 50 W (100 Hz, 5 ohms, 10% THD)
Frequency: 28-200 Hz
Advanced YST: yes
Twisted flare port: yes

Specifications:
Dimensions (W × D × H): 29.2 cm × 29.2 cm × 34 cm (11.5 in. × 11.5 in. × 13.38 in.)
Weight: 8.5 kg (18.7 lb.)



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Nevermind my receiver doesn't set speaker crossover points to the sub
Yes, that is the newer version only difference is the cabinet.

That would be the one to get as is cheaper.

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try eq'ing a bit too.. every little thing gets you closer to acceptable(or good)...
I think this is how 3 way center speaker is supposed to sound bright/clear and detailed you either like the sound or you don't I cant complain this is alot of speaker for the price I paid the deep piano black looks like a million dollars and makes the super-one finish look like a cheap spray painted box anyway thanks for help
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Assuming you have an audio video receiver that lets you set speaker crossover points to the sub, I have two of these in my secondary room and they work well. My sister in law and friend also have them in their 5.1 systems and all sound good.

https://www.amazon.ca/Yamaha-YSTSW01...tronics&sr=1-3
how do I set speaker crossover points to the sub?
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how do I set speaker crossover points to the sub?
See page 81 and 82 of your manual.

When you get the sub tell the receiver "use" for the sub and then set all speakers to "small" with an 100hz crossover.

Place the sub near the front three.
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