L C R - Is it best to match? Advice and Opinions Needed - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 5Likes
  • 1 Post By sigpig
  • 1 Post By scotthal
  • 2 Post By brian6751
  • 1 Post By Deejay Freddy
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 12:57 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Deejay Freddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 97
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 23
L C R - Is it best to match? Advice and Opinions Needed

As pictured this is my front. I have a Klips RP-280F's as my front left and Right and a Klipsch RP-450C for the center. I have plans of replacing the center with a RC-64III.

Here's the question, would it be better for me to just get another RP-280F for a center? That way my L, C, R all match? And at the same time save some $$$money$$$ as well?

And yes I have to raise the screen a few inches.

Thank you everyone.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Stage.jpg
Views:	99
Size:	229.3 KB
ID:	2556560  

7.2.4|Klipsch RP-280F|RC-64III|2 RP-402S SL/SR|2 RP-402S Backs|4 SVS Elevations ATMOS|2 Klipsch R-115SW|SANUS CFR2136 Rack|2 AC Infinity Cloudplate T2|Marantz SR7013|Emotiva XPA-7 GEN 3|Outlaw Model 5000|Panamax M-5300-PM|Monster HTS 3600|Epson 5040UB|Logitech Harmony ELITE|NVIDIA Shield PRO|Xbox One X|Sony PS4|HTPC I7 KODI|
Deejay Freddy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 01:01 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Ottawa, ON
Posts: 1,576
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 788 Post(s)
Liked: 640
Three identical speakers across the front is ideal.
craig john likes this.
sigpig is offline  
post #3 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 02:22 PM
Senior Member
 
scotthal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Beaverton, Oregon
Posts: 303
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 116 Post(s)
Liked: 69
If you have the space, & raising the screen won't detract from the viewing experience, would go with the matching RP-280F. Eliminates horizontal 'combing', and the larger 90x90 tractrix waveguide may broaden your 'sweet spot'.
craig john likes this.
scotthal is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 04:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 2,446
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1419 Post(s)
Liked: 990
Another vote for another 280F. Identical LCR makes for the most cohesive soundstage and perfect panning.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
Russdawg1 is online now  
post #5 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 05:58 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Deejay Freddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 97
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Right now the screen is about 36 inches from the floor.

If I get matching speakers (another 280F) I have to raise the screen about 45 inches from the floor.

I wonder if that's too high.

7.2.4|Klipsch RP-280F|RC-64III|2 RP-402S SL/SR|2 RP-402S Backs|4 SVS Elevations ATMOS|2 Klipsch R-115SW|SANUS CFR2136 Rack|2 AC Infinity Cloudplate T2|Marantz SR7013|Emotiva XPA-7 GEN 3|Outlaw Model 5000|Panamax M-5300-PM|Monster HTS 3600|Epson 5040UB|Logitech Harmony ELITE|NVIDIA Shield PRO|Xbox One X|Sony PS4|HTPC I7 KODI|

Last edited by Deejay Freddy; 04-21-2019 at 06:09 PM.
Deejay Freddy is offline  
post #6 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 07:30 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
brian6751's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 6,960
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked: 1663
I think the screen would be too high. Identical LCR is ideal but shouldn’t be at the expense of the viewing experience. Everything is a compromise.

The best way to have identical LCR is by using a acoustically transparent screen
sigpig and craig john like this.

--------------------------------------------------
FOR SALE:
Lots of stuff. Check the Audio Gear Classifieds
brian6751 is online now  
post #7 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 08:05 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Deejay Freddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 97
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post
I think the screen would be too high. Identical LCR is ideal but shouldn’t be at the expense of the viewing experience. Everything is a compromise.

The best way to have identical LCR is by using a acoustically transparent screen
I'll just go ahead and grab the Klipsch RC-64III then.

Thanks for the input everyone!

7.2.4|Klipsch RP-280F|RC-64III|2 RP-402S SL/SR|2 RP-402S Backs|4 SVS Elevations ATMOS|2 Klipsch R-115SW|SANUS CFR2136 Rack|2 AC Infinity Cloudplate T2|Marantz SR7013|Emotiva XPA-7 GEN 3|Outlaw Model 5000|Panamax M-5300-PM|Monster HTS 3600|Epson 5040UB|Logitech Harmony ELITE|NVIDIA Shield PRO|Xbox One X|Sony PS4|HTPC I7 KODI|
Deejay Freddy is offline  
post #8 of 17 Old 04-21-2019, 08:19 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
brian6751's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 6,960
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1680 Post(s)
Liked: 1663
Why not get the 504C?

What’s lacking in what you have now?

--------------------------------------------------
FOR SALE:
Lots of stuff. Check the Audio Gear Classifieds
brian6751 is online now  
post #9 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 07:49 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Dave in Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 7,875
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3559 Post(s)
Liked: 2741
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deejay Freddy View Post
Right now the screen is about 36 inches from the floor.

If I get matching speakers (another 280F) I have to raise the screen about 45 inches from the floor.

I wonder if that's too high.
Screen height is a personal preference that's influenced by factors such as seating position. For most people you want your eyesight to naturally fall somewhere around the vertical center of the screen so you aren't straining your eyes or neck muscles during viewing. Your eyesight will naturally fall at different vertical heights depending on whether you're sitting bolt upright or laid back in a recliner.
Dave in Green is offline  
post #10 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 08:37 AM
Member
 
cyberlocc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 176
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 138 Post(s)
Liked: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deejay Freddy View Post
I'll just go ahead and grab the Klipsch RC-64III then.

Thanks for the input everyone!

Ya raising the screen that high I wouldn't do. However what you do not do, is use a RC-64III That is a completely different speaker, COMPLETELY different, not even in the same universe. When people complain about Klipsch being super loud and screechy in your face make your ears bleed, that is the RC-64III they are talking about, the RP series of your 280f, are extremely toned down from that. Those speakers will be nothing alike at all. The 450c is the matched center to your speakers, it already matches your towers why do you want to change it?

The best case is to match them completely if you cant however, you Timbre Match them, and try to spec match them as best as possible. What your suggesting is akin to use completely different brand speakers, those speakers are worlds apart.

Last edited by cyberlocc; 04-22-2019 at 08:44 AM.
cyberlocc is offline  
post #11 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 08:48 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 2,446
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1419 Post(s)
Liked: 990
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberlocc View Post
Ya raising the screen that high I wouldn't do. However what you do not do, is use a RC-64III That is a completely different speaker, COMPLETELY different, not even in the same universe. When people complain about Klipsch being super loud and screechy in your face make your ears bleed, that is the RC-64III they are talking about, the RP series of your 280f, are extremely toned down from that. Those speakers will be nothing alike at all.

Where does this this statement come from? The RC64iii is the most refined line Klipsch has currently, its a step above the RP line and pairs with the Klipsch RF7iii’s. The screechy harshness stems from the Reference series of later years. If anything, the RP280F would be the harsh speaker when compared to the RC64iii.

Using the RC64iii as your center is your best choice OP.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
Russdawg1 is online now  
post #12 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 10:00 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
trilkb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
Posts: 1,150
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 633 Post(s)
Liked: 322
Its best to match...

However I no longer go by that rule. Why? Because I want a good center channel over good left/right mains. Seldom in a LCR timber matched setup is the center speaker any good. Normally its just a horizontal MtM that was a compromise for form over function. You can use 3 of the same speakers for a LCR, but with todays subwoofers you dont need much more than a good bookshelf for a L/R.

My answer is its best to have left/right front and all surrounds match, more than LCR matching. Or go AT screen and run 3 good speakers for LCR and not 2 good ones and a crap center channel. But I dont want to pay for 3 good speakers over 1 good speaker and 2 that will work for Left and Right mains. Home theater doesnt use the Left or Right mains anywhere close as much as the center channel, so I want my center to be the star that I put more money into than my L/R. Make sense? Why would I make a compromise on the speaker that takes on 70% of the load in home theater for 2 "good" L/R's that dont see as much content?

I played the matching LCR game and honestly now that I no longer do it Im noticing that it doesnt really matter. I have other things I want out of my system. Center should be clear and good off axis, Left and Right mains should be able to go to 60-70hz since subs will do the rest, surrounds I want the same 60-70hz out of.

Let xt32 take care of the rest double check results with a DB meter to make sure all the speakers are fairly even at MLP and roll with it. I have no regrets selling my matched LCR.

- 6 BA CR6 array center channel, QSC AD-S82 L/R, 4 jbl 8330a surr , 8 jbl 12" subs w/Inuke 6000. JVC rs420, Denon x4000, Sony x800 -

Last edited by trilkb; 04-22-2019 at 10:20 AM.
trilkb is offline  
post #13 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 03:33 PM
Senior Member
 
shs1234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Central Sierra Nevada
Posts: 307
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 187 Post(s)
Liked: 159
From an audio standpoint, 3 identical vertically orientated LCR speakers is the best bet. Next, I would say is 3 vertically orientated speakers with the same tweeters/midrange and similar woofers. In this case, 2 towers for L&R and a vertical bookshelf speaker for the center will meet that criteria when 3 towers is just not practical from a equipment placement or a screen height point of view. It is certainly better from a dispersion and combing point of view than a horizontal center speaker. And if you are using a subwoofer the bookshelf speaker may be all that is needed. You might look at the RP-600M for a center.

As to what screen height is acceptable, if you tend to sit back in a reclining chair and are not sitting too close to the screen, then 45" is not out of the question if that allows for better audio. It is all about compromise and even acoustically transparent screens have their own compromises, so there is not simply one right answer here.

SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, HDFury Integral 2, Oppo UDP 203, Panasonic DP-UB820, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Dual Velodyne DD15 Subwoofers.
shs1234 is offline  
post #14 of 17 Old 04-27-2019, 12:03 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Deejay Freddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 97
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russdawg1 View Post
Where does this this statement come from? The RC64iii is the most refined line Klipsch has currently, its a step above the RP line and pairs with the Klipsch RF7iii’s. The screechy harshness stems from the Reference series of later years. If anything, the RP280F would be the harsh speaker when compared to the RC64iii.

Using the RC64iii as your center is your best choice OP.
My RC-64III arrived yesterday and I am very impressed! For now it is being powered by an Outlaw 5000. My Emotiva XPA-7 should be here by the end of the week.

7.2.4|Klipsch RP-280F|RC-64III|2 RP-402S SL/SR|2 RP-402S Backs|4 SVS Elevations ATMOS|2 Klipsch R-115SW|SANUS CFR2136 Rack|2 AC Infinity Cloudplate T2|Marantz SR7013|Emotiva XPA-7 GEN 3|Outlaw Model 5000|Panamax M-5300-PM|Monster HTS 3600|Epson 5040UB|Logitech Harmony ELITE|NVIDIA Shield PRO|Xbox One X|Sony PS4|HTPC I7 KODI|
Deejay Freddy is offline  
post #15 of 17 Old 04-27-2019, 08:24 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 2,446
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1419 Post(s)
Liked: 990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deejay Freddy View Post
My RC-64III arrived yesterday and I am very impressed! For now it is being powered by an Outlaw 5000. My Emotiva XPA-7 should be here by the end of the week.

Good choice, glad you are enjoying it.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
Russdawg1 is online now  
post #16 of 17 Old 04-27-2019, 01:34 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Deejay Freddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 97
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russdawg1 View Post
Good choice, glad you are enjoying it.
My wife doesn't have to tell me to turn it up or "what did he/she say"?
gajCA likes this.

7.2.4|Klipsch RP-280F|RC-64III|2 RP-402S SL/SR|2 RP-402S Backs|4 SVS Elevations ATMOS|2 Klipsch R-115SW|SANUS CFR2136 Rack|2 AC Infinity Cloudplate T2|Marantz SR7013|Emotiva XPA-7 GEN 3|Outlaw Model 5000|Panamax M-5300-PM|Monster HTS 3600|Epson 5040UB|Logitech Harmony ELITE|NVIDIA Shield PRO|Xbox One X|Sony PS4|HTPC I7 KODI|
Deejay Freddy is offline  
post #17 of 17 Old 04-27-2019, 06:16 PM
Advanced Member
 
jedi1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: MO
Posts: 733
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 242 Post(s)
Liked: 516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deejay Freddy View Post
As pictured this is my front. I have a Klips RP-280F's as my front left and Right and a Klipsch RP-450C for the center. I have plans of replacing the center with a RC-64III.

Here's the question, would it be better for me to just get another RP-280F for a center? That way my L, C, R all match? And at the same time save some $$$money$$$ as well?

And yes I have to raise the screen a few inches.

Thank you everyone.
Yes. That way you have identical imaging. This is very important for each seat in the room
jedi1982 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Speakers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off