Originally Posted by jamesyates
I had a pair of 10.5 that where 100lbs. each. Great sounding speaker in the 1990's. I was able to compare them back n the day at a what they called then a stereo store. Recently, I gave them away due to the foam falling apart and damage to the speaker from moving. They still had replacement drivers available to purchase, however the price of replacing everyone for me and probably reconditioning the crossovers would be too much time and investment in an older speaker. The only complaint I had of the 10.5 in that the response time of the speaker seemed to lag. For example for a movie the speaker was not fast enough to make you jump out of your seat. There seemed to b e a slight delay. It was noticeable when I moved to KEFS.
Also, back in they the day the 10.5's where very flat and check for accuracy before they shipped to make sure they were +-3db from flat before they left the factory.
I deliver the company was sold to Harmen around 2009 and now is MSE audio. Not sure what the agreement was or what they do now and if they still make speakers for others.
They did make the Mac tweeters. I do not know if they still do.
Wish there was somewhere I could hear the the newer products. It seems the models they have are from a product line that is more then 5 years old.
Former owner and fan. Go phase tech!
Originally Posted by Russdawg1
I saw that, they seemed to like them very much.
100lbs?!? Those must have been some serious speakers.
Hmm, odd that a speaker like the 10.5 (I looked it up) would have some sort of group delay, which I believe is what you experienced with them. I wonder if theyâ€™ve fixed that with the newer models.
Well if I eventually get a pair, Iâ€™ll extend an invite to you to come check them out if your in the area.
I donâ€™t believe MSE is part of Harmon from what Iâ€™ve been seeing. Maybe
will chime in again, since heâ€™s a dealer and probably knows.
- Regarding McIntosh: Not sure about drivers on their Reference speakers any more, but Phase Tech used to manufacture those for them, yes. (FUN FACT: The speaker brand RBH started off as an OEM cabinet maker and made the cabinets for a lot of brands. One of which: McIntosh & their Reference speakers). Phase Tech absolutely does OEM their in-wall & in-ceiling speakers.
- Phase Technology is part of the MSE Audio Group, which is a good sized manufacturing company whose care brands have been around decades. In some ways smaller to all of what Harman does, and in some ways larger. They OEM a TON of stuff for other companies all over the world, but don't have a huge division like a commercial JBL or some of the larger electronic lines Harman does. I've been a 10 year dealer of their entire catalog and am beyond familiar with it at this point, lol. Their brands include: Induction Dynamics (higher end 2 channel and multi channel w/ different exotic drivers), Rockcoustics (outdoor sound), Soundtube (commercial sound), Phase Technology (traditional main stream line), dARTS (World class, complete theater packages), Solid Drive (unique, commercial sound applications), & Soundsphere (unique commercial). https://mseaudio.com/
- There's definitely some shared engineering between the different MSE brands - but they also have tremendous differences and price points between them. MSE doesn't re-badge many different models across their lines with the exception of a handful of (mainly) outdoor stuff. For example, where Phase Tech represents a huge mid to high-end value, Rockcoustics products aren't cheap compared to other outdoor speakers, for example - but are excellent. My favorite outdoor stuff? No, I wouldn't go as far as to say that. But, it has some unique pieces that are killer.
Here soon when I catch some time to mess around I will be ordering some of Rockcoustics new "Cherry Bomb" outdoor speakers to try https://rockustics.mseaudio.com/seri...n/cherry-bomb/
with an Echo Input paired to a Lexicon DD8 or Parasound Zonemaster amp. I'm not sure how a 4, 6, or 8 speaker layout of those 3-way designs will will do with a 5 1/4" woofer built in vs 4 smaller 4" sats with a larger dedicated 8", 10", or 12" sub from Revel, James Loudspeaker, or Klipsch. Obviously bass will be better with the dedicated sub, but even coverage and cost/value is what I'm after with most outdoor living projects. We'll see.
Outdoor living is something that I've traveled the world doing (Ibiza, UK, Canada, Mexico). Home Cinema is obviously an extremely important category to me, but so is outdoor living. Few things are are as fun to show a client than a killer outdoor sound demo. Great bass is where it can get a bit pricey depending on needs, but without boundaries to mess with the sound some of these speakers from Revel, James, Rockcoustics, & even Klipsch are just unreal good and each one has unique features to them!
- Regarding the delay
While I didn't hear your old setup; over a 19 year career in consumer electronics I've never had a speaker be the cause of a delay. That sounds more like a setup issue than a physical problem with the speaker itself. Although I joke that I've seen and done it all in this industry, perhaps this is a weird instance. At least you got it corrected now!