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Wireless 5.1 system

Finishing my basement. Am planning on a home theater system. Room size is medium. Any recommendations for good wireless 5.1 systems that don't cost an arm and a leg?

I have pasted the room photographs. I am planning to close off the opening with a wall when I finish my basement. The screen will hang there. Near the sofa is the back of the room. As you see it's not a very big room. I will have power outlets everywhere. So I can plug things in. The contractor would charge me extra to run wires through the walls. Hence the ask for a wireless home theater. Also I am always afraid of routing wires through drywalls and having to mess around if something goes wrong.

Also to give some context all walls will come down and the basement will be a fresh build. It will be a full demo followed by a finish. The contractor will not entertain other contractors but will work with an AV company I hire one. They told me that If I wanted to run the wires and attach them to the frames they could make holes in the drywall where they would need to come out and this would not have a charge but if they ran the wires I will need to pay the electrician charges. They told me I could get an AV company to help me out but I think that's an overkill. If wired option has to be done, can I just run the wires and secure them to the frames by myself and ask them to make openings in the drywall or is wireless option better? I don't want to spend money hiring an AV guy.

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Of course it would still need power cords, about 6 of them.

The "standard" 5.1 systems are still far more popular because it's usually easier to run smaller, low-voltage speaker wire than it is to have power receptacles where you need them or drape higher-voltage extension cords around.

What many do is use a regular AVR, common subwoofer, traditional passive speakers for the main front left, right and center speakers and use a remote powered amp for the surround speakers. This is often the lower cost solution, with the added benefit of being more powerful and sounding better.

What is the room situation and limitations that make you want this "wireless" solution?

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Of course it would still need power cords, about 6 of them.



The "standard" 5.1 systems are still far more popular because it's usually easier to run smaller, low-voltage speaker wire than it is to have power receptacles where you need them or drape higher-voltage extension cords around.



What many do is use a regular AVR, common subwoofer, traditional passive speakers for the main front left, right and center speakers and use a remote powered amp for the surround speakers. This is often the lower cost solution, with the added benefit of being more powerful and sounding better.



What is the room situation and limitations that make you want this "wireless" solution?
I have posted additional details. Does it help?

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Of course it would still need power cords, about 6 of them.



The "standard" 5.1 systems are still far more popular because it's usually easier to run smaller, low-voltage speaker wire than it is to have power receptacles where you need them or drape higher-voltage extension cords around.



What many do is use a regular AVR, common subwoofer, traditional passive speakers for the main front left, right and center speakers and use a remote powered amp for the surround speakers. This is often the lower cost solution, with the added benefit of being more powerful and sounding better.



What is the room situation and limitations that make you want this "wireless" solution?
Can you offer additional details or point me to some links that describe this process? Also this would still require running speaker wires along the front isn't it?

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Has anyone looked into using KEF LSX connected to an Outlaw Audio OWA4 (connected to receiver via preout) for surround speakers?
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Can you offer additional details or point me to some links that describe this process? Also this would still require running speaker wires along the front isn't it?

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The cost of good a sounding surround setup will likely be more than what the contractor will charge you for running wire through the walls. You can also hide the speaker behind the moulding in fact 16AWG wire will fit in the gap between the drywall and floor. The short run on the fronts can easily be concealed.
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I would absolutely get a quote from an electrician for running 16 gauge CL-2 or CL-3 speaker wire. It's relatively cheap with a mostly-empty room and gives you SO MUCH more flexibility in choosing equipment that costs less and performs better, without the miscellaneous problems of dropouts, connectivity, and paying for more wireless gear as that technology continues to evolve.

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Would this need to be done before or after the basement is complete? Right now they are planning to take down all walls and do a fresh build of the basement. They will not entertain other contractors. They told me that If I wanted to run the wires and attach them to the frames they could make holes in the drywall where they would need to come out.

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Would this need to be done before or after the basement is complete? Right now they are planning to take down all walls and do a fresh build of the basement. They will not entertain other contractors. They told me that If I wanted to run the wires and attach them to the frames they could make holes in the drywall where they would need to come out.

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If they're taking down the walls, it will be very easy for them to do and wouldn't take very long. If you know where your tv and entertainment stand are going, he can route everything to a wall plate on the TV wall. Hook up for you will be easy with no wires all over the place.

This is what you'll need. Just use the banana plugs to connect from the AVR to the wall plate.
https://www.amazon.com/Fosmon-Surrou.../dp/B01N5F28ZK
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It will be a projector set up, not a TV. As they said if they wired everything it will cost me money. But if I was willing to wire the speakers by attaching the wires to the frame/studs they could create an opening in dry wall when they mount the wall to draw the wires out.

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Has anyone looked into using KEF LSX connected to an Outlaw Audio OWA4 (connected to receiver via preout) for surround speakers?
Those are incredibly good speakers for their size, I just don't know how their apps (one for control, one for playing music) work in that situation. It's a fairly new product so not much of that type of info out there yet for using them in that way. To me, just too nice of a speaker in both looks and performance to be used as surrounds.

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Would this need to be done before or after the basement is complete? Right now they are planning to take down all walls and do a fresh build of the basement. They will not entertain other contractors. They told me that If I wanted to run the wires and attach them to the frames they could make holes in the drywall where they would need to come out.

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Those are incredibly good speakers for their size, I just don't know how their apps (one for control, one for playing music) work in that situation. It's a fairly new product so not much of that type of info out there yet for using them in that way. To me, just too nice of a speaker in both looks and performance to be used as surrounds.
Yes they are nice speakers, but they would accomplish what I want. I have a 3.1 with B&W 683 S2 in front. I really have no way to run wires behind, since i have an open room with very high ceiling.

With the Outlaw Audio, I could just leave the speakers on the Aux input. I guess as alternative, I could try hooking up with a AptX Bluetooth transmitter. Not sure which would have better fidelity / latency.
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Hello Folks - If I decide to go the wireless route, what is your impression of Nakamichi Shockwave Elite 7.2 or Ultra 9.2. Link to 7.2 below.

https://www.amazon.com/Nakamichi-Sho...ct_top?ie=UTF8

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