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Speaker Setup Advice

Hello,

I want to upgrade my home cinema to 5.1.4 system.

I have been looking ate Jamo Studio 8 series as I truly like their design, more precise, the Jamo S803 HCS or the S807 HCS speaker sets, but noticed that both sets can only accommodate 2 ATMOS speakers.

If I decided to buy the speakers by the unit or by the pair, would I be able to put 2 x S807 as front speakers and 2 x S803 as back/surround speakers?

This way I think I could have 4 atmos speakers, therefore the desired 5.1.4 setup, or you recommend something different?
The A/V Receiver will probably be the Denon AVR-X4500H

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Hello,

I want to upgrade my home cinema to 5.1.4 system.

I have been looking ate Jamo Studio 8 series as I truly like their design, more precise, the Jamo S803 HCS or the S807 HCS speaker sets, but noticed that both sets can only accommodate 2 ATMOS speakers.

If I decided to buy the speakers by the unit or by the pair, would I be able to put 2 x S807 as front speakers and 2 x S803 as back/surround speakers?

This way I think I could have 4 atmos speakers, therefore the desired 5.1.4 setup, or you recommend something different?
The A/V Receiver will probably be the Denon AVR-X4500H

Thanks in advance.
What is your total budget?
What else is available to you? links would be useful?
How big is the room?
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What is your total budget?
What else is available to you? links would be useful?
How big is the room?
The living room is 30sq.m.
Total budget for the speakers, full 5.1.4 set, is around €1.000/€1.500euros, assuming a gradual purchase and not all at once.
Although I'm from Portugal, I have these Spanish web site below as point of reference:
https://en.zococity.es/
https://www.supersonido.es/

I also like the looks of the Q Acoustics 3050i Cinema Pack, but lacks the ATMOS speakers
https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/q3000i-...nema-pack.html

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The living room is 30sq.m.
Total budget for the speakers, full 5.1.4 set, is around €1.000/€1.500euros, assuming a gradual purchase and not all at once.
Although I'm from Portugal, I have these Spanish web site below as point of reference:
https://en.zococity.es/
https://www.supersonido.es/

I also like the looks of the Q Acoustics 3050i Cinema Pack, but lacks the ATMOS speakers
https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/q3000i-...nema-pack.html
The most important pieces in an HT setup are the center and sub. You wouldn't need towers speakers for mostly HT use if you have a good sub and bookshelf speakers would stretch your budget further.
These would work nicely. Comes with a pretty good sub. Just add a 2nd sub later if you feel you need to. You'll have a very nice base layer to which you can add atmos channels later.
https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-pb-1000
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The most important pieces in an HT setup are the center and sub. You wouldn't need towers speakers for mostly HT use if you have a good sub and bookshelf speakers would stretch your budget further.
These would work nicely. Comes with a pretty good sub. Just add a 2nd sub later if you feel you need to. You'll have a very nice base layer to which you can add atmos channels later.
https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-pb-1000
That looks like a very nice deal with a far better sub than the Q Acoustics sub.

Just add some 3010 speakers on Q Acoustics wall brackets for Atmos and the OP should have a very nice system.

The OP can save money by getting the Denon 4400 instead of the 4500.

Basically identical.
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Thank you.
Q-Acoutiscs does look nice. This brands was always one of my favourites in terms of appearance. Very elegant and would blend perfectly in my room.
But, my atmos speakers would have to be upfiring type, this was also one of the reasons that made me consider the Jamo.
Would the Q-Acoustics support upfiring atmos speakers?
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Q-Acoutiscs does look nice. This brands was always one of my favourites in terms of appearance. Very elegant and would blend perfectly in my room.
But, my atmos speakers would have to be upfiring type, this was also one of the reasons that made me consider the Jamo.
Would the Q-Acoustics support upfiring atmos speakers?
Any small speaker can be used as "upfiring."

But on AVS not that much success with upfiring but a lot more success with speakers mounted high on the wall downfiring.

If you can't do that then something like the Elac upfiring modules will work.

The Jamos won't as they have a special plug to go into the Jamo speaker itself.

But Jamos are worth getting if you prefer that type of design.
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Better to use on-wall speakers mounted up high as your "Atmos" speakers, as upfiring speakers that rely on bouncing the sound off the ceiling are problematic if your room isn't laid out perfectly. You can use those same speakers, just mounted higher up and facing forward instead of upward. There are lots of options from Sony, Jamo, ELAC, NHT, among others.
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My room as false ceiling throughout and in-ceiling speakers would be a great choice. I initially considered putting 2 for atmos speakers, but my wife.....
Also she does not fancy the idea of wires coming down from the ceiling. Etc etc etc, that woman crap talk that we must respect or is the end of the world.
My walls are made of brick and concrete so the idea or running the wires behind drywall, I'm afraid that is not an option
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Another thought is using the speakers of my actual system as atmos. It's a set of Pioneer S-HS100
https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu/products/s-hs100

Would this be possible?

I just have no clue how to place them in the ceiling and bring the cables all the way down without discreetly...
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My room as false ceiling throughout and in-ceiling speakers would be a great choice. I initially considered putting 2 for atmos speakers, but my wife.....
Also she does not fancy the idea of wires coming down from the ceiling. Etc etc etc, that woman crap talk that we must respect or is the end of the world.
My walls are made of brick and concrete so the idea or running the wires behind drywall, I'm afraid that is not an option
You can use a wireless receiver for surround/atmos speakers. May not work for in-ceiling speakers, but you could go with height channels.
https://www.amazon.de/Funkset-Subwoo...s%2C216&sr=8-7
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Good idea also.
Thanks a lot
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My room as false ceiling throughout and in-ceiling speakers would be a great choice. I initially considered putting 2 for atmos speakers, but my wife.....
Also she does not fancy the idea of wires coming down from the ceiling. Etc etc etc, that woman crap talk that we must respect or is the end of the world.
My walls are made of brick and concrete so the idea or running the wires behind drywall, I'm afraid that is not an option
How about 1/2" conduit? I would assume your power is ran this way. It's an art to make it look good. Any competent electrician can do this for you.
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If you can't go behind the walls, but do have a desire to do in-ceiling or on ceiling if you can get the speaker wires up, then you could pick an inconspicuous spot along an external wall and drill a hole outside, then as @miketofani suggested, use some sort of conduit or external protection for your cables, then drill another hole in the attic to feed the speakers through.
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Thanks for the ideas.

The attached photo shows the speaker cables I'm using ATM. They are the original ones that came with the system.

I think this type of cable is easy enough to run through the ceiling without being that obvious to the eye.

Can these small speakers be used as height/downfiring speakers (atmos)?

If they can, I may have another reason to choose the Q-Acoustics over the Jamo speakers
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Thanks for the ideas.

The attached photo shows the speaker cables I'm using ATM. They are the original ones that came with the system.

I think this type of cable is easy enough to run through the ceiling without being that obvious to the eye.

Can these small speakers be used as height/downfiring speakers (atmos)?
Not sure what speaker that is but more than likely it will do well for Atmos effects.
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Not sure what speaker that is but more than likely it will do well for Atmos effects.
These:
https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu/products/s-hs100
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Yes, those would work just fine for Atmos effects.
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Another option if you don't want to use conduit...
Use art to hide the wires. If you have a drop ceiling get a big tapestry or picture centered behind the AV equipment and run the wires behind it. Once you get to the ceiling put up "what we electricians call batwings" to hang off the grid wire and route the cables. Your panels might support a speaker but the best option is securing it with grid wire from the concrete ceiling. When you get to
the rears, use the same idea by placing some sort of border at the top of the wall to hide the wires behind.

Wireless speakers is another option but I'd rather look at a speaker wire than a power wire.
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Well, I think I'm going with the Q-Acoustics, either one of these 3 below:

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-sb-1000

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-sb-1000

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-sb-1000

Since I live on an apartment I will have time to think while I put the money together, if it's worth going with the floorstand speakers or any of the other 2 package would also work the treat.

I will had 2 atmos speakers in the ceiling later, as I also find this to be better than upfiring speakers.
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Well, I think I'm going with the Q-Acoustics, either one of these 3 below:

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-sb-1000

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-sb-1000

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-sb-1000

Since I live on an apartment I will have time to think while I put the money together, if it's worth going with the floorstand speakers or any of the other 2 package would also work the treat.

I will had 2 atmos speakers in the ceiling later, as I also find this to be better than upfiring speakers.
For HT purposes you're better off going with the ported PB-1000. SB-1000 will work well for music, but will be underwhelming for movies.

For not much more, I'd go with this package. Or an even better sub, the PB-2000
https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-pb-1000
https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acous...a-pack-pb-2000
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Thank you.
Those subwoofers although seem a lot better they are considerably bigger and would draw all the attention on my apartment living room therefore not looking good when put in context
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What about this packages
https://www.supersonido.es/p/monitor...-2-5-0-pb-1000
or this with sealed https://www.supersonido.es/p/monitor...-2-5-0-sb-1000
These are very good speakers i would rather go with them than Q acoustics one
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What about this packages

https://www.supersonido.es/p/monitor...-2-5-0-pb-1000

or this with sealed https://www.supersonido.es/p/monitor...-2-5-0-sb-1000

These are very good speakers i would rather go with them than Q acoustics one
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That is also a great quality/price ratio but those back speakers were meant to go on a wall so it's a no for me.
My back speakers have to be on stands.
Q-Acoustics does seem to be very high quality and they also look really good
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Yes Q acoustics are good too...go for 3020 or 3050 if you can accomodate large front speakers...or better to go with 3020 and put additional money towards a 2nd sb1000 as dual subs makes a difference
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Those subwoofers although seem a lot better they are considerably bigger and would draw all the attention on my apartment living room therefore not looking good when put in context
In that case I'd go for the SB-2000 package. The SB-2000 will still have enough oomph for your enjoyment, but won't bother the neighbors. Or get the SB-1000 package and get a 2nd sub which would actually be better.
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Those subwoofers although seem a lot better they are considerably bigger and would draw all the attention on my apartment living room therefore not looking good when put in context
In an apartment at moderate volumes the SB1000 would work just fine and is significantly smaller.

300watts =13w14h16d= 27 lbs 12" [23hz] $499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

I'd get the 3020i package as at least on pro reviewer actually preferred the 3020i to the 3050i.

The only reason to get the 3050i would be if you listen to music in stereo with no sub or you have animals/kids that might knock stand mount speakers over.

While you can use any less expensive stand, the Q Acoustics stand looks nice and should be relatively stable.

https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acoustics-q3000fsi
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In that case I'd go for the SB-2000 package. The SB-2000 will still have enough oomph for your enjoyment, but won't bother the neighbors. Or get the SB-1000 package and get a 2nd sub which would actually be better.
Good idea. 2 Subs.... (I'm gonna end up divorced...)
Wife almost collapsed when I told her that was calling a guy to study a way to install ceiling speakers. Women, who understand them...
I love the looks of a floorstanding speaker, but would they really make that great difference on overall sound quality (3050i vs 3020i)
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I love the looks of a floorstanding speaker, but would they really make that great difference on overall sound quality (3050i vs 3020i)
For movies with a sub?

No.
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In an apartment at moderate volumes the SB1000 would work just fine and is significantly smaller.



300watts=13w14h16d=27 lbs12"[23hz]$499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)



300watts=15w19h20d=46 lbs 10"[18hz]$499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)



I'd get the 3020i package as at least on pro reviewer actually preferred the 3020i to the 3050i.



The only reason to get the 3050i would be if you listen to music in stereo with no sub or you have animals/kids that might knock stand mount speakers over.



While you can use any less expensive stand, the Q Acoustics stand looks nice and should be relatively stable.



https://www.supersonido.es/p/q-acoustics-q3000fsi
You reply to my previous question about 3050i vs 3020i.
The 3020i and 3010i are fixed with 2 screws on that stands which is good.
The stand is also higher thank previous series, which is even great. The downside is that there is no cable routing which is a major fail.
I'm truly considering the 3020i package to save some money but those floorstand speakers make me dream a lot....
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