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Dear AV members, I am relocating and sold my entire Klipsch system with Denon 3313 reciever. It was a 7.1 set up that served me well. I am looking for advise for a new set up. I have a 120 inch screen with projector set up. What speakers do you advise. 100% for movies only. Is SVS a good set up to consider?? Diff between prime and ultra towers?? Budget is around $2500 for speakers. ALSO - what reciever do u suggest? Denon, onkyo etc??New basement is about 1000 sq ft with sound proof ceiling tiles. I want to try something else/diff brands that will serve for 100% movies watching.
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Hi there,
How many speakers are you looking to set up? What is your budget for AVR?
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7.1 set up. Speaker budget around $2500 and reciever about $700
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I’d start with PSA MT110 for LCR. New, it will eat up most of your budget but they are in a different league than any other speaker on the market for home theater until you step up to MUCH higher cost options.

There is a trio of MT110’s that just went up for sale on the classifieds at a great price($1275) that would leave plenty of budget for your surround speakers.

For receiver I’d suggest Denon 3400. I think they are going for $599. It has the best level of Audyseey along with excellent dual subwoofer eq capability.


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Is your screen Acoustically Transparent? If so then three identical speakers behind screen is ideal.

PSA is really good for HT. Nice effecient good sounding speakers. pair with a good sub or better yet two subs from PSA, Rythmik, HSU, Monolith THX

https://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/mt-110
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Dear AV members, I am relocating and sold my entire Klipsch system with Denon 3313 reciever. It was a 7.1 set up that served me well. I am looking for advise for a new set up. I have a 120 inch screen with projector set up. What speakers do you advise. 100% for movies only. Is SVS a good set up to consider?? Diff between prime and ultra towers?? Budget is around $2500 for speakers. ALSO - what reciever do u suggest? Denon, onkyo etc??New basement is about 1000 sq ft with sound proof ceiling tiles. I want to try something else/diff brands that will serve for 100% movies watching.
Some questions, if you don't mind...
  • When you say $2500 budgeted for speakers, does that include the receiver?
  • Is there a reason you prefer a 7.1 setup to a 5.1.2 setup?
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Thank you guys. I am open to 5.1.2 set up. Speakers budget is $2500 and another $700 for receiver. 100% movies. Do you suggest towers or bookshelf for LCR? Is PSA better than SVS. I don't have an acoustic screen. Just basic screen hung on the wall.
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I'm not sure how you feel about manufacturer refurbs, but this is $700 and allows 9.2 channel amplification:
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...-w/heos/1.html

It will allow you to do 7.1.2. It can also do 7.1.4 processing, but would require a stereo amp for the added channels.

If you like the Klipsch speakers you have, why not keep them? That $2,500 could go a long way in an additional amp (to 7.1.4) + nice subs

My experience with PSA = I have a PSA subwoofer, which is pretty awesome. I've only read good things about their speakers.
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You may want to consider the Polk LSiM line. You can get some 705's for 600 each from Adorama, a 704c center for 230, 703's as side surrounds for 300 each. If you really need a 7.x setup, you can consider the in wall LS-265's, but they are kind of hard to find for a reasonable price (though I did get them for 200 each from Amazon Warehouse a few months back).


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I'm not sure how you feel about manufacturer refurbs, but this is $700 and allows 9.2 channel amplification:
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...-w/heos/1.html

It will allow you to do 7.1.2. It can also do 7.1.4 processing, but would require a stereo amp for the added channels.

If you like the Klipsch speakers you have, why not keep them? That $2,500 could go a long way in an additional amp (to 7.1.4) + nice subs

My experience with PSA = I have a PSA subwoofer, which is pretty awesome. I've only read good things about their speakers.

+1 for the Denon x4400h! Great value AVR!
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Thank you guys. I am open to 5.1.2 set up. Speakers budget is $2500 and another $700 for receiver. 100% movies. Do you suggest towers or bookshelf for LCR? Is PSA better than SVS. I don't have an acoustic screen. Just basic screen hung on the wall.


Yes, for a home theater setup PSA speakers are far superior to the SVS, and any other retail speaker, mentioned or not, until you at least triple the price. They just honestly have no competition at their price point for either pure home theater application or even music/home theater combo. Common hifi retail speakers will require 8x as much power as the PSA to play at the same level. This means they will distort, compress, and clip the amp long before you are anywhere close to reference level peaks while the PSA will be coasting along effortlessly without distortion compression etc.

They are an absolute bargain new at their regular price of $675 each. The trio on sale in the classifieds for $1275($425 each) is a steal. Remainder of 5 year warranty will transfer on these 100% made in the USA speakers. IMO, it’s worth mentioning.

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Dear AV members, I am relocating and sold my entire Klipsch system with Denon 3313 reciever. It was a 7.1 set up that served me well. I am looking for advise for a new set up. I have a 120 inch screen with projector set up. What speakers do you advise. 100% for movies only. Is SVS a good set up to consider?? Diff between prime and ultra towers?? Budget is around $2500 for speakers. ALSO - what reciever do u suggest? Denon, onkyo etc??New basement is about 1000 sq ft with sound proof ceiling tiles. I want to try something else/diff brands that will serve for 100% movies watching.
To be honest Klipsch are an excellent choice for HT use. They're highly efficient and reasonably priced.
How big is the room?
How far back from the screen is the seating?
How loud do you listen? Moderate, loud, very loud?

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Thank you guys. I am open to 5.1.2 set up. Speakers budget is $2500 and another $700 for receiver. 100% movies. Do you suggest towers or bookshelf for LCR? Is PSA better than SVS. I don't have an acoustic screen. Just basic screen hung on the wall.
What City are you in as there may be a small manufacturer of excellent speakers near you.
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Thank you guys. I am open to 5.1.2 set up. Speakers budget is $2500 and another $700 for receiver. 100% movies. Do you suggest towers or bookshelf for LCR? Is PSA better than SVS. I don't have an acoustic screen. Just basic screen hung on the wall.
Blowing your entire budget on 3 speakers no matter if they're better or not, is poor advice. Who wants to listen with just the front 3 speakers for who knows how long until there's money for subs and surrounds?

HSU has good speakers and subs. You could package something together from them in your budget. You could go the the last generation Klipsch RP series which are really discounted now and have room in the budget for a really good sub.

SVS makes it easy to try since 2 way shipping is included in the price. You could try a pair of SVS speakers, order some other bookshelf models you may be interested in from Crutchfield with $10 return shipping and determine which you like best in your room then proceed from there.

As for the sub(s) HSU, PSA, SVS, Rythmik, Monoprice- Monolith are all good choices.

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$500 for the Onkyo 830. Keep the Klipsch and add on 4 in ceiling speakers. Send me the remaining 1500$ as a thank you
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Blowing your entire budget on 3 speakers no matter if they're better or not, is poor advice. Who wants to listen with just the front 3 speakers for who knows how long until there's money for subs and surrounds?

HSU has good speakers and subs. You could package something together from them in your budget. You could go the the last generation Klipsch RP series which are really discounted now and have room in the budget for a really good sub.

SVS makes it easy to try since 2 way shipping is included in the price. You could try a pair of SVS speakers, order some other bookshelf models you may be interested in from Crutchfield with $10 return shipping and determine which you like best in your room then proceed from there.

As for the sub(s) HSU, PSA, SVS, Rythmik, Monoprice- Monolith are all good choices.
I didn't see this advice given anywhere?

Not sure it makes sense to spend a lot of time and effort demoing speakers of much lower quality and capability than the PSA listed for $1275 for LCR, which is only half the ops budget.

If you aren't able to catch the deal on the PSA's in the classifieds, still might not be a bad idea to consider them at full price as you would still have some room for surrounds in the budget. LCR is probably 90% of your system other than subs. I wish I could heartily recommend the SVS speaker line but Im just not very impressed with the objective measurements I've seen on them, nor do I think they are efficient enough to serve as highly capable speakers for home theater. Efficiency is just too low.
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To be honest Klipsch are an excellent choice for HT use. They're highly efficient and reasonably priced.
How big is the room?
How far back from the screen is the seating?
How loud do you listen? Moderate, loud, very loud?
The Klipsch marketing department advertises them as highly efficient. The truth is, most of them are of average efficiency(below 90 dB) comparable to most other low efficiency retail speakers. Just saying, claiming 95 dB efficiency when they are actually 89 dB, does not make them highly efficient. I agree they are fine for their price point compared to many retail brands.
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$500 for the Onkyo 830. Keep the Klipsch and add on 4 in ceiling speakers. Send me the remaining 1500$ as a thank you
I would end up doing something like this. Keep the speakers you have, unless you really don't like them.

Upgrading your AVR and adding ATMOS seems like a really good option... and you save a lot of $$.
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I didn't see this advice given anywhere?

Not sure it makes sense to spend a lot of time and effort demoing speakers of much lower quality and capability than the PSA listed for $1275 for LCR, which is only half the ops budget.

If you aren't able to catch the deal on the PSA's in the classifieds, still might not be a bad idea to consider them at full price as you would still have some room for surrounds in the budget. LCR is probably 90% of your system other than subs. I wish I could heartily recommend the SVS speaker line but Im just not very impressed with the objective measurements I've seen on them, nor do I think they are efficient enough to serve as highly capable speakers for home theater. Efficiency is just too low.
Last I looked 3 PSA MT110s is $2K. That pretty much blows the budget IMO. Most in home home theaters are small, and unlike many here on this forum most don't listen at "reference volume". I'm sure the PSA speakers are great, but given the OP's budget they don't make sense when there are suitable substitutes for 1/4 the cost of a new set.

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Last I looked 3 PSA MT110s is $2K. That pretty much blows the budget IMO. Most in home home theaters are small, and unlike many here on this forum most don't listen at "reference volume". I'm sure the PSA speakers are great, but given the OP's budget they don't make sense when there are suitable substitutes for 1/4 the cost of a new set.
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New basement is about 1000 sq ft...... ......for 100% movies watching.
Even new, PSA for LCR with four Hsu HB1MK2 for surrounds would come in about $200 over budget, and their are cheaper surround options. However, with the sale in the classifieds that I mentioned, OP would be under 2k for the PSA with Hsu surrounds. I still maintain that even at the new price, they might be his best choice for such a large room and would eliminate the need or desire to ever want to upgrade in the future as they will play clean and clear up to reference level where no low efficiency retail speaker, including Klipsch, will do so. You don't have to listen at reference level for these speakers to make a big difference for home theater. Most speakers can't get past 90-95 dB(10-15 below reference) at the MLP without substantial distortion and compression kicking in. Most folks just don't realize until they upgrade to more capable speakers, and the reason -15 or -10 sounded so loud wasn't just the SPL, but the harshness of distortion, compression, clipping, etc.
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