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Aperion Audio Demo

I got to check out Aperion Audio’s showroom in Portland, Oregon today. Also met Steve who was conducting the demo. He’s a great guy, and I highly recommend anyone who loves sound in the slightest to drop by and have a listen.



I loved the sound the Verus III Grand Towers produced. Soft on the ears, not quite warm, but the 6.5” woofers on the towers are very understated on the spec sheet. Very strong into the bottom octaves, much lower than the stated F3 of 45hz. Room gain obviously comes into play, but regardless, they aren’t there for show

Also heard:

Verus III Grand Bookshelves ($800/pr)
Verus III Grand Center ($700/each)
Verus Surrounds ($700/pr)
Novus Towers (Coming soon)
Intimus 5T Towers ($800/pr)
Intimus 4B Satellites ($200/pr)
Bravus II 10D Subwoofer ($700/each)
Bravus II 12D Subwoofer ($1000/each)

Mostly listened to Pink Floyd during the demo time, but comparing all the towers was very cool. The new Novus line coming out falls inbetween the Verus and Intimus line. Hearing the Verus towers kind of ruined the rest of the speakers The Intimus Towers were very thin compared to the Verus, the Novus line less so. The midrange could not be compared, with the Verus having dual dedicated 5 1/4” midrange drivers, but to my extreme surprise, the Verus Bookshelves were very very strong. I would take these over both the other towers. Midrange was almost identical, bass was surprisingly strong for a 5 1/4” driver. We brought a sub into the mix, and it was a close fight.

Speaking of subs, I also heard the Bravus 10” and 12” subwoofers. They were decent, utilizing dual passive radiators, but were out of their price bracket in raw performance. They had plenty of output for theater, and still held on to their musicality, despite having passive radiators which can sometimes have a slower sound.

So the flagship “identifier” of Aperion Audio is their ASR tweeter. Essentially, they pinned the center of the tweeter to prevent axial rocking which is supposed to reduce distortion. Now personally I was not able to determine if this was audible, but the concept is very cool nonetheless. Another cool additive on the Verus line is the TrebleMod. You can tone down the tweeter by 3dB, if whatever environment you find your speakers placed in is a bit reflective.

I always find value in a company that has their own design, an “identifier” as I called it above. Klipsch has Tractrix Horns, Kef has UniQ, and Aperion has ASR tweeters.

I’ll wrap up my rambling.

If you are looking for speakers that don’t do anything “wrong”, not offensive in the treble range, not too aggressive in the bass range, and smooth in the midrange, I can definitely recommend the Verus line by Aperion Audio. Now this comes with a slight drawback, the price. The Verus Towers are priced at $2500 a pair. I personally did not find the audio they produced to be worth $2500. But I sure did enjoy the sound. Audio is subjective, and what I determine to not be worth $2500, others may find to be worth $5000. So don’t listen to the price tag, listen to the music

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)

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Very nice Russ, thanks.

Great looking speakers for sure.

I'm assuming that is real wood veneer on the cabinets?

For those near Portland Oregon seems like a visit is well worth the effort.
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great thoughts ,, now i have the verus books on my "possibles " list ....i'm guessing they are much like the wharfedale or dynaudio type sound...

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great thoughts ,, now i have the verus books on my "possibles " list ....i'm guessing they are much like the wharfedale or dynaudio type sound...
Aperion has free returns on bookshelves but only if bought at full msrp.
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Very nice Russ, thanks.



Great looking speakers for sure.



I'm assuming that is real wood veneer on the cabinets?



For those near Portland Oregon seems like a visit is well worth the effort.

Ugh I forgot to ask that! I believe it was a real wood veneer.

I hardly care for finishes So it obviously slipped my mind.

Sorry

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Ugh I forgot to ask that! I believe it was a real wood veneer.

I hardly care for finishes So it obviously slipped my mind.

Sorry
No worries.
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great thoughts ,, now i have the verus books on my "possibles " list ....i'm guessing they are much like the wharfedale or dynaudio type sound...

The midrange was where they really excelled IMO and was what Steve pointed out. Very fun to listen to. A very large sound from a small bookshelf, that was for sure.
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No worries.

"Furniture-Grade Gloss Cherry Veneer or Gloss Piano Black Finish"

You may want to remove Triad from your manufacturer list seeing they aren’t open to the public.

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You may want to remove Triad from your manufacturer list seeing they aren’t open to the public.
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[quote=gajCA;58061562]Aperion has free returns on bookshelves but only if bought at full msrp.[/quote]

that's a great reason to try them.. When I eventually pull the trigger i have reva 2.. Dynaudio x14_and now verus 3 in mind

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great thoughts ,, now i have the verus books on my "possibles " list ....i'm guessing they are much like the wharfedale or dynaudio type sound...
So you think -- not really even in the frequency
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench
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So you think -- not really even in the frequency

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench

Wrong line Zieg, we’re on the Verus III now. Those are measurements for the Verus II. Although I would like to see measurements for the new line also.
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Wrong line Zieg, we’re on the Verus III now. Those are measurements for the Verus II. Although I would like to see measurements for the new line also.
It still gives an idea of their sort of house sound (which many like) -- the series 1 even measured better than the series II -- so will have to see if they evened out the series III some ... but they have a good return policy if Lp85253 wants to test the bookshelf.
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So the flagship “identifier” of Aperion Audio is their ASR tweeter. Essentially, they pinned the center of the tweeter to prevent axial rocking which is supposed to reduce distortion. Now personally I was not able to determine if this was audible, but the concept is very cool nonetheless. Another cool additive on the Verus line is the TrebleMod. You can tone down the tweeter by 3dB, if whatever environment you find your speakers placed in is a bit reflective.

I always find value in a company that has their own design, an “identifier” as I called it above. Klipsch has Tractrix Horns, Kef has UniQ, and Aperion has ASR tweeters.
The Boston VS260 speaker that I use to own had a dimple dome tweeter
https://www.amazon.com/Boston-Acoust.../dp/B001L5U0LM

The Verus III do look interesting and a tweeter adjustment switch could benefit some people

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The Boston VS260 speaker that I use to own had a dimple dome tweeter

https://www.amazon.com/Boston-Acoust.../dp/B001L5U0LM



The Verus III do look interesting and a tweeter adjustment switch could benefit some people

Interesting. I’m wondering if they work the same way, or have different functions. From what I’m reading, not quite.

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Interesting. I’m wondering if they work the same way, or have different functions. From what I’m reading, not quite.
Not sure -- but the Boston tweeter was really nice, and I think it came from SB Acoustics

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Thanks for sharing your impressions, Russ. The $700-$1000 bookshelf range is getting pretty crowded with a lot of great designs. In addition to Aperion and the ones Lee mentioned, you've got Revel M16's, Ascend Sierra 1's, and hopefully soon Chane L3's. It'd be nice to see Emotiva offer a step up model, as well.
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Thanks for sharing your impressions, Russ. The $700-$1000 bookshelf range is getting pretty crowded with a lot of great designs. In addition to Aperion and the ones Lee mentioned, you've got Revel M16's, Ascend Sierra 1's, and hopefully soon Chane L3's. It'd be nice to see Emotiva offer a step up model, as well.

Yeah that was my main concern with this brand. A lot of their offerings are of good quality, but they are way out of their depth. If they could offer the Verus III Bookshelves in a lower bracket like $500-$600, it would be really competitive.

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It still gives an idea of their sort of house sound (which many like) -- the series 1 even measured better than the series II -- so will have to see if they evened out the series III some ... but they have a good return policy if Lp85253 wants to test the bookshelf.
that's what i was thinking, when i finally go for an upgrade i think i am going to start with good return policies
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Thanks for sharing your impressions, Russ. The $700-$1000 bookshelf range is getting pretty crowded with a lot of great designs. In addition to Aperion and the ones Lee mentioned, you've got Revel M16's, Ascend Sierra 1's, and hopefully soon Chane L3's. It'd be nice to see Emotiva offer a step up model, as well.
At $750/pair the LSiM 703s are a screaming deal and measured very well when Soundstage tested them.

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Agreed. They're going to be tough to beat at that price. It seems like we often forget about Polk, but they're solid and a 3-way. I don't know why they're so often overlooked. Maybe they don't have that boutique freshness of the ID brands. Good call.
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Agreed. They're going to be tough to beat at that price. It seems like we often forget about Polk, but they're solid and a 3-way. I don't know why they're so often overlooked. Maybe they don't have that boutique freshness of the ID brands. Good call.
I think the real reason is the original msrp of the LSiM 703 was $1500/pair.

At $750/pair they are quite a bargain IMHO and I just hope they stick around at that price as my friends who lost their house in the Sonoma County fires will be looking for speakers in August and at the moment I am recommending the 703s to them.

I'm getting my old Sansui 881 repaired and will gift it to them to drive whatever speakers they end up with as a phantom center will be just fine for them.

Plus the 881 just looks better than current AVRs IMHO.
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I'm getting my old Sansui 881 repaired and will gift it to them to drive whatever speakers they end up with as a phantom center will be just fine for them.



Plus the 881 just looks better than current AVRs IMHO.

Sounds better too

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Sounds better too
Ha ha.

Yeah, you liked the sound even though it hadn't been repaired yet.

I'm a bit jazzed to see/hear my college era receiver rocking and rolling again!

You did a nice job of cleaning it up!

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Yeah, you liked the sound even though it hadn't been repaired yet.



I'm a bit jazzed to see/hear my college era receiver rocking and rolling again!



You did a nice job of cleaning it up!



Thanks.

The nicer it looks, the nicer it sounds

It wasn’t loud or anything, the sound that the problem was causing. It’s also not volume related so if you turn it up loud you won’t hear it. But the main problem with listening is the static when you turn the volume. The static plays as loud as the volume knob is turned so if I’m having a bit too much fun and would like to turn it down, the static is VERY loud.

Other than that, it sounded nice, good clean power. I liked it better than my Onkyo AVR. I’d probably still take the Parasound over it. And the Crown XLS. Although I’m having a ground loop with the Crown so there’s a bit of noise coming through when playing loud volumes.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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At $750/pair the LSiM 703s are a screaming deal and measured very well when Soundstage tested them.

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Heard these sound a bit darker and warmer and are not a neutral speaker. You need to listen in to the music rather than the speaker jumping out at you, with a noticeable bump to the bass. So buy to your preferences.
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Heard these sound a bit darker and warmer and are not a neutral speaker. You need to listen in to the music rather than the speaker jumping out at you, with a noticeable bump to the bass. So buy to your preferences.
Here's the Soundstage review: "The LSiM703’s sound was neutral but slightly on the warm side -- not necessarily a bad thing. It was detailed, but not overly revealing of poorer recordings."

https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index...3-loudspeakers

But that reviewer opined that the $750/pair 2 way PSB Imagine Mini with 4.5" main drivers was a better speaker for him.

For my friends the description in the review and the look of the speaker, (they love real wood), would be the better bet for sure as their old speakers were quite mellow in sound and they really loved them before they burned along with everything else they owned.

Well, except the car they escaped in and, of course, the cat!
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OK, then just put some old Sansui speakers with single capacitor high pass filters connected to the receiver -- and enjoy.

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OK, then just put some old Sansui speakers with single capacitor high pass filters connected to the receiver -- and enjoy.

I’m just starting to think my Onkyo is defective or something. It gets really shrill at high volumes. Loses all of the dynamics. Every other amp I have in my house doesn’t do this. Except for this old Denon I have. Although it doesn’t do it as much. Maybe I’m expecting too much, it’s a new cheap Onyko AVR after all.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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I’m just starting to think my Onkyo is defective or something. It gets really shrill at high volumes. Loses all of the dynamics. Every other amp I have in my house doesn’t do this. Except for this old Denon I have. Although it doesn’t do it as much. Maybe I’m expecting too much, it’s a new cheap Onyko AVR after all.
That is why I try to skip over entry level receivers if I can -- my Integra/Onkyo higher end receiver does make a difference as far as distortion and power handling -- however, there could also be a problem with your budget friendly Onkyo

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