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post #31 of 54 Old 05-21-2019, 01:16 PM
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I linked your Atmos thoughts in another thread and one poster found the same thing using streaming for Netflix etc but when he watched the BluRay of the same movie the Atmos effects were far far more prominent/effective in his opinion.

That's interesting to hear. I haven't put much weight behind sampling Netflix Atmos enabled movies/shows as there's plenty of compromises with streamed media; it's more so for increasing the sample size. I've primarily focused on direct play 4K Blu-ray remux files.


I haven't A/B tested a movie Netflix vs Blu-ray. Mind linking to the thread? A/B testing a stream vs direct play is a great variable to look into.
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That's interesting to hear. I haven't put much weight behind sampling Netflix Atmos enabled movies/shows as there's plenty of compromises with streamed media; it's more so for increasing the sample size. I've primarily focused on direct play 4K Blu-ray remux files.


I haven't A/B tested a movie Netflix vs Blu-ray. Mind linking to the thread? A/B testing a stream vs direct play is a great variable to look into.
See post 7 here:


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looking for a recommendation on a pair of "economical" speakers
to use on the rear wall/shelf of my rather smallish room
which will not allow for ceiling speakers to round out the typical Atmos setup

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o k, so having read here, options opinions as well as looking at what a dolby lab pdf says , my real determination, for a speaker is which position will give me the best effect (sound) , though I can Not go into the ceiling … I could place speakers ( 2, maybe 4) directly above the center seat of the viewing area...this is only about 50-55" above ear level … 20 - 25" off the rear wall , max.
perhaps not enuff dispersion?!? or an atmos enabled speaker on the rear wall , apprx 45-50" below the ceiling, and depending on the speaker construction at an angle of 20 -40 degrees , to the ceiling

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o k, so having read here, options opinions as well as looking at what a dolby lab pdf says , my real determination, for a speaker is which position will give me the best effect (sound) , though I can Not go into the ceiling … I could place speakers ( 2, maybe 4) directly above the center seat of the viewing area...this is only about 50-55" above ear level … 20 - 25" off the rear wall , max.
perhaps not enuff dispersion?!? or an atmos enabled speaker on the rear wall , apprx 45-50" below the ceiling, and depending on the speaker construction at an angle of 20 -40 degrees , to the ceiling

thanx

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o k, so having read here, options opinions as well as looking at what a dolby lab pdf says , my real determination, for a speaker is which position will give me the best effect (sound) , though I can Not go into the ceiling … I could place speakers ( 2, maybe 4) directly above the center seat of the viewing area...this is only about 50-55" above ear level … 20 - 25" off the rear wall , max.
perhaps not enuff dispersion?!? or an atmos enabled speaker on the rear wall , apprx 45-50" below the ceiling, and depending on the speaker construction at an angle of 20 -40 degrees , to the ceiling

thanx
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trying to visualize where these speakers are being attached ?!?
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trying to visualize where these speakers are being attached ?!?
The links contain the owners manual of the wall/ceiling mount.

https://pdf.crutchfieldonline.com/Im...79/779MPWM.PDF

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The links contain the owners manual of the wall/ceiling mount.

https://pdf.crutchfieldonline.com/Im...79/779MPWM.PDF
is it your opinion then, that this speaker .. Cambridge
say 2 in the front, 2 in the rear … on the wall … at an angle determined thru experimentation …
will deliver a better effect / sound,
then say 4 atmos enabled minis … placed on my 2 towers and 2 surrounds ?

and, if I may …

my AVR does not have "height" connections … so, the wiring? for these scenarios ?

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is it your opinion then, that this speaker .. Cambridge
say 2 in the front, 2 in the rear … on the wall … at an angle determined thru experimentation …
will deliver a better effect / sound,
then say 4 atmos enabled minis … placed on my 2 towers and 2 surrounds ?

and, if I may …

my AVR does not have "height" connections … so, the wiring? for these scenarios ?

thanx
Oh, I thought you were looking for something small to go ON the ceiling just in front and behind the listening position where normal in ceiling speakers would go.

That would give better sound than "bounce" speakers on top of your current speakers.

But a moot point if your receiver doesn't support 5.1.4 or 5.1.2.

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Oh, I thought you were looking for something small to go ON the ceiling just in front and behind the listening position where normal in ceiling speakers would go.

That would give better sound than "bounce" speakers on top of your current speakers.

But a moot point if your receiver doesn't support 5.1.4 or 5.1.2.
thanx for looking in …

likely you missed early entries … the ceiling is OUT...no access ..

my Denon AVRX2200W supports 7.1 atmos ready ….

NHT has an AFX mini... and Dolby recognizes them as atmos enabled … they could fit on my towers and surround e z enuff

the Cambridge, likely a better speaker, could go on the walls (front n rear) and angled appropriately … I guess what i'm asking is , does the atmos enabled "brand" offer up a better sound, then say a better speaker ie; the Cambridge in this application , positioned in the most beneficial position … being economical is not really working ...Cambridge at about $350 w/ mounts NHT at $400
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thanx for looking in …

likely you missed early entries … the ceiling is OUT...no access ..

my Denon AVRX2200W supports 7.1 atmos ready ….

NHT has an AFX mini... and Dolby recognizes them as atmos enabled … they could fit on my towers and surround e z enuff

the Cambridge, likely a better speaker, could go on the walls (front n rear) and angled appropriately … I guess what i'm asking is , does the atmos enabled "brand" offer up a better sound, then say a better speaker ie; the Cambridge in this application , positioned in the most beneficial position … being economical is not really working ...Cambridge at about $350 w/ mounts NHT at $400
From my understanding the "bounce" speakers have some crossover tricks but they are the worst choice in terms of audio quality for Atmos.

A "regular" speaker mounted high up on the sides is far better.

Your receiver only supports 2 channel Atmos, not 4 channel Atmos so the new speaker cost is half what you are thinking.

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From my understanding the "bounce" speakers have some crossover tricks but they are the worst choice in terms of audio quality for Atmos.

A "regular" speaker mounted high up on the sides is far better.

Your receiver only supports 2 channel Atmos, not 4 channel Atmos so the new speaker cost is half what you are thinking.
1 side, is across the room, the other as inaccessible as the ceiling …

REAR has wires ready …

the Cambridge then , placed behind, at a height of say ?
angled down into an area in front of the seating area ….
this, likely the best overall?

or

the wall behind the screen, at a height of ?!? focused at the viewer(s) ?

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1 side, is across the room, the other as inaccessible as the ceiling …

REAR has wires ready …

the Cambridge then , placed behind, at a height of say ?
angled down into an area in front of the seating area ….
this, likely the best overall?

or

the wall behind the screen, at a height of ?!? focused at the viewer(s) ?

thanx !
I'm no expert on Atmos but most in your situation that can't place to the side place at the front aimed down at the couch.

Good luck.

Another option are two larger more powerful speakers such as these at $200/pair which come with wall mounts.

https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-outsider-ii/

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I'm no expert on Atmos but most in your situation that can't place to the side place at the front aimed down at the couch.

Good luck.

Another option are two larger more powerful speakers such as these at $200/pair which come with wall mounts.

https://rslspeakers.com/products/rsl-outsider-ii/
as I delve deeper … learn a bit more = more qweshunnns …
that said, back to wiring ….

IF …
I had 4 smaller Atmos enabled speakers, as mentioned a few posts back ….
couldn't 2 be wired, in parallel , to my 2 surrounds … then 2 others to my rear channel ?
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as I delve deeper … learn a bit more = more qweshunnns …
that said, back to wiring ….

IF …
I had 4 smaller Atmos enabled speakers, as mentioned a few posts back ….
couldn't 2 be wired, in parallel , to my 2 surrounds … then 2 others to my rear channel ?
You might kill your receiver.

I've never done such a thing nor would I attempt it to be honest.

If a receiver has 7 pairs of speaker terminals I only use 7 speakers and a sub.

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as I delve deeper … learn a bit more = more qweshunnns …
that said, back to wiring ….

IF …
I had 4 smaller Atmos enabled speakers, as mentioned a few posts back ….
couldn't 2 be wired, in parallel , to my 2 surrounds … then 2 others to my rear channel ?
Once you tell the AVR that 2 speakers are Atmos it sends unique object based data to those speakers. You would not want to combine with any others, it will muddy the effect.
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Once you tell the AVR that 2 speakers are Atmos it sends unique object based data to those speakers. You would not want to combine with any others, it will muddy the effect.


that's why youse guys are the "Man" mans ?!?

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1 final, I think question ….

rarely listen to music in anything other than stereo … but, as I've been doin all of this ,
flicked it over to "Multi-channel-Stereo" setting …
and
am a bit surprised at how much sound I am getting out of those 2 speakers JAMO S25 HCS
connected to the "rear surround" not even close to what is typical for a movie …

is this e z enuff to clarify ? for me to comprehend ?
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1 final, I think question ….

rarely listen to music in anything other than stereo … but, as I've been doin all of this ,
flicked it over to "Multi-channel-Stereo" setting …
and
am a bit surprised at how much sound I am getting out of those 2 speakers JAMO S25 HCS
connected to the "rear surround" not even close to what is typical for a movie …

is this e z enuff to clarify ? for me to comprehend ?
Yes, in that multi stereo mode the speakers all play about the same volume level unlike setting the receiver to a movie mode.

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bump, for an interesting thread.
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bump, for an interesting thread.
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I just ordered a pair of the SVS Prime Elevation speakers. It would be very easy for me to put them at the front of the room as "front heights". I have two bookcases there that they can sit on top of and the bookcases will hide the wires as well. They would be about 10-12 feet from the MLP. With considerable effort, I could put them on the side walls just in front of the MLP as "top middles". It would require both mounting them into concrete walls and running less than attractive wire molding around the room and up the walls. For Atmos, would it really make that much of a difference to be worth the extra effort and aesthetic compromise? PS: My receiver maxes out at 5.1.2.


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Look at NHT. They make specific Atmos speakers that you can add to any system.

https://www.nhthifi.com/products/165...media-series-2
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maybe, I just need the assist with calibrating the speakers ?!? so many T-storms here, power issues … I had to reset the receiver recently, and w / all of this on the table...did Not go back to the Audyssey, to calibrate...
is there a formula ( a simple one obviously) to be shared for doing it manually …?
I know enuff to recognize it is room specific , however, maybe that's another path to experiment with ?

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