Speaker cable - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 85Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 08:51 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Speaker cable

Does it really matter what speaker cable you use?

LOL

Whats the best bargain type speaker cable?

The economical Best Buy stuff with banana plugs work ok???
redrovermiami is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 09:01 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 3,578
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2094 Post(s)
Liked: 1719
Best Buy stuff is far from economical.

Head to amazon and buy a 100ft roll of 14 gauge OFC from mediabridge or Monoprice. Best cable you can get for the price.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
Russdawg1 is online now  
post #3 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 09:20 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Blacklightning's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Edmonton,AB Canada
Posts: 2,081
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1000 Post(s)
Liked: 857
^correct
and no need for Banana plugs unless you are planing on switching out your equipment all the time.
Soulburner, Philip To and Lp85253 like this.
Blacklightning is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 09:55 AM
Advanced Member
 
modenacart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Liked: 181
Any solid copper stranded wire will be fine as long as you follow the length to gauge recommendation. You can use clad but you will need to increase the wire diameter to account for losses.


-To be an audiophile you must abandon all research and science.
modenacart is offline  
post #5 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 09:58 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
bobknavs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Danbury, CT, USA
Posts: 5,800
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2891 Post(s)
Liked: 2092
I agree that cables tend to be overpriced at Best Buy, even if you avoid Monster Cables. Or the more expensive Audioquest cables they sell in their Magnolia stores.

Buy the bare stuff. Add a good quality wire stripper - maybe $10-15US. Avoid CCA (copper clad aluminum), like some of the Amazon Basics cable. There is nothing basically wrong with it, but it has lower conductivity than copper: a 12 gauge CCA cable is roughly equivalent to 14 gauge copper. (Because of the way gauge is defined, add 2 to CCA to get the equivalent copper.) CCA isn't enough cheaper than copper to make it attractive.

I like banana plugs, as I don't have easy access to the rear of my receiver. I like Sewell Deadbolts or the similar ones from Mediabridge. (Toll-less connection, no setscrews.) For the speaker ends of the cables I like Mediabridge 45° spade plugs; they can't compress (and loosen) like bananas. (Too wide for use at the AVR end, though.)

As for what gauge you need, here's a guide: https://www.audioholics.com/audio-vi...er-cable-gauge

Take any advice (including this) with a grain of sale. Speaker cables are one of the favorite subjects of debate. Remember that some audiophiles claim to be able to hear differences due to cheater cords (the cord that connects the electric power from the wall to the receiver or amplifier). You can spend hundreds, or thousands, of dollars on a single cheater cord.
pjp and scionracing like this.
bobknavs is offline  
post #6 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 10:06 AM
pjp
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,847
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 969 Post(s)
Liked: 534
Agree with the above. Best Buy has very competitive prices on components, but they charge a lot for accessories and cables. Better to buy online from someplace like Amazon. As several have said, just be sure to get wire that is "oxygen free" solid copper wires rather than copper clad.

I had my first experience with copper clad speaker wire and, although it conducts fine when all is well, the build quality is terrible. You can feel the aluminum core when you twist the strands of raw wire after stripping. I guess I had only dealt with OFC before, so now I finally understand the copper clad concerns. Copper clad will still work, but it's better to avoid it.
Lp85253 likes this.
pjp is offline  
post #7 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 10:12 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 8,216
Mentioned: 110 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3860 Post(s)
Liked: 3316
Quote:
Originally Posted by redrovermiami View Post
Does it really matter what speaker cable you use?

LOL

Whats the best bargain type speaker cable?

The economical Best Buy stuff with banana plugs work ok???
This is basically all you'd need for a standard setup. Banana plugs are not a must have, however they do make installation a lot easier, especially on the receiver end.
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...s%2C138&sr=8-6
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...s%2C144&sr=8-7
scionracing likes this.

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Emotiva A-300, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is online now  
post #8 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 10:14 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 5,342
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2545 Post(s)
Liked: 2366
i agree with all of the above .. get affordable wire from amazon or walmart .. i don't even mind the copper over aluminum .. to me just get whatever works for short runs (under 20 ft.) .. there just isn't enough difference to worry about it...now if it's longer runs or in wall things change.. longer runs need better conductivity and in wall needs better shielding and sometimes solid wire..

YAMAHA TSR 5790.. front l/r Dennis Murphy modded emotiva b1's ..BIC v1220.....Emotiva basx10.... infinity alpha 20 center.. polk t15 rears..samsung 55" j620d
bedroom .. YAMAHA r-xv 383... front l/r.. ascend cbm 170 se... kef q100 center ... Emotiva basx8... samsung ku6300 50 in
Lp85253 is online now  
post #9 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 10:46 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by pase22 View Post
This is basically all you'd need for a standard setup. Banana plugs are not a must have, however they do make installation a lot easier, especially on the receiver end.
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...s%2C138&sr=8-6
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...s%2C144&sr=8-7
Thanks!

I have some 14g wire that Ive been using but Im getting new speakers figured Id do it right...I bought the plugs though

Thanks for the tip!!!

If I need more wiring Ill def get the one you recommended!
redrovermiami is offline  
post #10 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 12:32 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
nonstopdoc1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 1,246
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 917 Post(s)
Liked: 390
I almost always go to Monoprice for all my cable needs. If they don't have something I am looking for or I need something in a hurry than Amazon Prime is my backup.

HT - Seymour Centerstage XD 2.39:1 133" W| JVC X790R | JBL SDP-55 | Nord NC500 | ATI AT528NC | Procella P8/P5V | Revel C763L | Monolith 12" x4
Living Room - LG OLED 65" | Denon X4400H | Monolith 3x200 | KEF Q900 L/R | Paradigm Millenia 20 CC | Polk Surrounds | Rythmik FV15HP x2
nonstopdoc1 is online now  
post #11 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 01:23 PM
Advanced Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Russia
Posts: 502
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 356 Post(s)
Liked: 105
Canare makes quite good cables. Another good alternative is your local electric appliance shop - bad cables for house wiring are threat to safety and it is more or less regulated, so you know what you are buying.
But I would take canare over them, for bith signal and speaker cables.
Rex Anderson and gbus like this.
aats is offline  
post #12 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 02:10 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 2,207
Mentioned: 66 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1439 Post(s)
Liked: 1664
I worked as a professional recording and live sound engineer for 34 years. I use Canare or Belden speaker cable and get it made in custom lengths by Blue Jeans Cable. I like the sonic weld termination they use.

https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm
KenM10759 and gbus like this.
Rex Anderson is offline  
post #13 of 131 Old 05-23-2019, 07:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
brian6751's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 7,169
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1759 Post(s)
Liked: 1789
I prefer these banana plugs to any others

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F162096760910

--------------------------------------------------
FOR SALE:
Lots of stuff. Check the Audio Gear Classifieds
brian6751 is offline  
post #14 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 07:34 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 11
I dont know what cable I have...I think I got it at Best Buy about 5 years ago. Its 14g wiring. I got the banana plugs from Amazon that was suggested earlier in this thread.

One guy I spoke to said that he custom solders the plugs on. Said you have to be careful when you use the plugs etc you can short out stuff.
modenacart likes this.
redrovermiami is offline  
post #15 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 07:40 AM
Advanced Member
 
modenacart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Liked: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by redrovermiami View Post
I dont know what cable I have...I think I got it at Best Buy about 5 years ago. Its 14g wiring. I got the banana plugs from Amazon that was suggested earlier in this thread.



One guy I spoke to said that he custom solders the plugs on. Said you have to be careful when you use the plugs etc you can short out stuff.


That is why I like bare wire but there is a risk of strands shorting across terminals too and causing the receiver to go into protect mode.


-To be an audiophile you must abandon all research and science.
modenacart is offline  
post #16 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 07:50 AM
pjp
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,847
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 969 Post(s)
Liked: 534
Quote:
Originally Posted by redrovermiami View Post
One guy I spoke to said that he custom solders the plugs on. Said you have to be careful when you use the plugs etc you can short out stuff.
That shorting possibility is why I only use "paired" banana plugs. It is very easy to bend single banana plugs at the pin if you move the speaker or amp without realizing the speaker cable is taut because there is a lot of leverage from where the wire attaches to the plug and the (necessarily) hollow pins take very little force to bend. I seem to be the only person on AVS concerned about that (last time I mentioned this I heard crickets).

I agree with comments that connecting speaker wire directly to the posts is at least as good as, and often better than, using banana plugs ("less is more" when it comes to connections).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(The color coding is nice also -- red is used for the right speaker, black for the left)
Lp85253 likes this.

Last edited by pjp; 05-24-2019 at 07:54 AM.
pjp is offline  
post #17 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 08:37 AM
Senior Member
 
machavez00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 58 Post(s)
Liked: 112
According to the Audioholics chart I need to get some 16 or 14 gauge for my 6 ohm rear speakers. They’re about ten feet from my AVR.


Amazon shows 16 footers on the page, the max length is 9.8 feet in the drop down menu. The gauge is not shown, but they look like 14 or 12 gauge.
https://www.amazon.com/KK-ZB-ZB-Spea...YBR6SB2ZNSE243

I was thinking about getting these for my fronts.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M641W3W...ing=UTF8&psc=1

machavez00 is offline  
post #18 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 08:39 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 11
My rears would be about needing 30 feet of cable each
redrovermiami is offline  
post #19 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 08:42 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 5,342
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2545 Post(s)
Liked: 2366
Quote:
Originally Posted by redrovermiami View Post
My rears would be about needing 30 feet of cable each
12 or 14 gauge should be ok

YAMAHA TSR 5790.. front l/r Dennis Murphy modded emotiva b1's ..BIC v1220.....Emotiva basx10.... infinity alpha 20 center.. polk t15 rears..samsung 55" j620d
bedroom .. YAMAHA r-xv 383... front l/r.. ascend cbm 170 se... kef q100 center ... Emotiva basx8... samsung ku6300 50 in
Lp85253 is online now  
post #20 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 08:58 AM
pjp
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,847
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 969 Post(s)
Liked: 534
Quote:
Originally Posted by machavez00 View Post
Amazon shows 16 footers on the page, the max length is 9.8 feet in the drop down menu. The gauge is not shown, but they look like 14 or 12 gauge.
https://www.amazon.com/KK-ZB-ZB-Spea...YBR6SB2ZNSE243

I was thinking about getting these for my fronts.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M641W3W...ing=UTF8&psc=1
It's very weird that they don't list the gauge, but it looks pretty thick (hard to tell how much is insulator and how much is wire). These look like a nice practical set of speaker wires. Pay attention to the connectors, the first pair looks like they slip into the binding post hole (rather than a banana plug) and the second set has bananas on one side and pins on the other.
pjp is offline  
post #21 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 10:56 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 217
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Does it need to be 14AWG? 16AWG won't work?

Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
boldventure is online now  
post #22 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 11:13 AM
Senior Member
 
machavez00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 58 Post(s)
Liked: 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjp View Post
It's very weird that they don't list the gauge, but it looks pretty thick (hard to tell how much is insulator and how much is wire). These look like a nice practical set of speaker wires. Pay attention to the connectors, the first pair looks like they slip into the binding post hole (rather than a banana plug) and the second set has bananas on one side and pins on the other.
I ordered the banana to pin 3M pair. My AVR has banana plug for the fronts, and spring connections for the surround and center. My 301’s have spring connections, thus the banana to pin. When I replace the surround and center I will buy speakers that have banana terminals so I can use the 16 foot banana to pin. The center can use pin to pin.

machavez00 is offline  
post #23 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 11:13 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 8,216
Mentioned: 110 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3860 Post(s)
Liked: 3316
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldventure View Post
Does it need to be 14AWG? 16AWG won't work?

Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
You can use 16awg, but you should follow the recommended gauge on the chart below if you have longer runs.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	speaker-gauge-AWG-chart.png
Views:	112
Size:	19.5 KB
ID:	2571190  

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Emotiva A-300, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is online now  
post #24 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 11:18 AM
Advanced Member
 
modenacart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Liked: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldventure View Post
Does it need to be 14AWG? 16AWG won't work?

Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk


If you use a higher gauge than recommend you risk distortion. It is your system so you can choose the higher gauge wire.


-To be an audiophile you must abandon all research and science.
modenacart is offline  
post #25 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 11:18 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 217
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by pase22 View Post
You can use 16awg, but you should follow the recommended gauge on the chart below if you have longer runs.
Thanks.
My surround wire, the longest maybe 20ft

Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
boldventure is online now  
post #26 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 11:21 AM
Senior Member
 
machavez00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 58 Post(s)
Liked: 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldventure View Post
Does it need to be 14AWG? 16AWG won't work?

Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
Based on the Audioholics chart, 14 gauge for 6 ohm.

machavez00 is offline  
post #27 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 11:41 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 8,216
Mentioned: 110 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3860 Post(s)
Liked: 3316
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldventure View Post
Thanks.
My surround wire, the longest maybe 20ft

Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk
I just used Amazon Basics 14awg for my entire setup. A 100ft roll ($35 CDN-$25 USD) was more than enough. My system suffers no loss in sound quality compared to the more expensive wire I had from Best buy years ago. If you have 16awg wire on hand use it. If buying new, the price difference between 16awg and 14awg is negligible so may as well get 14awg.
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...gateway&sr=8-5

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Emotiva A-300, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is online now  
post #28 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 02:35 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Kini62's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 8,473
Mentioned: 49 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2948 Post(s)
Liked: 2824
Quote:
Originally Posted by redrovermiami View Post
Does it really matter what speaker cable you use?

LOL

Whats the best bargain type speaker cable?

The economical Best Buy stuff with banana plugs work ok???
Nope. Any wire that can pass the current needed over the required distance will result in the exact same speaker performance. There is no magic wire.
Lp85253 and pase22 like this.

Klipsch RF-62II, RC-500, RS-400, SVS PC12+,
Def Tech SC8000
Onkyo RZ820
Roku Ultra, Apple TV, Sharp 70" Quattron
Kini62 is offline  
post #29 of 131 Old 05-24-2019, 10:41 PM
Member
 
rbfastback's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 108
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 77 Post(s)
Liked: 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobknavs View Post
I agree that cables tend to be overpriced at Best Buy, even if you avoid Monster Cables. Or the more expensive Audioquest cables they sell in their Magnolia stores.



Buy the bare stuff. Add a good quality wire stripper - maybe $10-15US. Avoid CCA (copper clad aluminum), like some of the Amazon Basics cable. There is nothing basically wrong with it, but it has lower conductivity than copper: a 12 gauge CCA cable is roughly equivalent to 14 gauge copper. (Because of the way gauge is defined, add 2 to CCA to get the equivalent copper.) CCA isn't enough cheaper than copper to make it attractive.



I like banana plugs, as I don't have easy access to the rear of my receiver. I like Sewell Deadbolts or the similar ones from Mediabridge. (Toll-less connection, no setscrews.) For the speaker ends of the cables I like Mediabridge 45° spade plugs; they can't compress (and loosen) like bananas. (Too wide for use at the AVR end, though.)



As for what gauge you need, here's a guide:



Take any advice (including this) with a grain of sale. Speaker cables are one of the favorite subjects of debate. Remember that some audiophiles claim to be able to hear differences due to cheater cords (the cord that connects the electric power from the wall to the receiver or amplifier). You can spend hundreds, or thousands, of dollars on a single cheater cord.

thanks for the good advice, i was just wondering the same thing
rbfastback is offline  
post #30 of 131 Old 05-25-2019, 01:39 AM
Advanced Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Russia
Posts: 502
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 356 Post(s)
Liked: 105
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post
Nope. Any wire that can pass the current needed over the required distance will result in the exact same speaker performance. There is no magic wire.
It's too vague description and is not true.
aats is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Speakers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off