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Looking to upgrade 5.1 speakers at about $150/speaker

I am looking to upgrade my L/C/R and surround sound speakers. I was recommended the NHT SuperOnes which are too big. The NHT SuperZeros are a better size, but am hoping to find something comparable in an even slimmer design. I noticed the Polk Audio OWM5 speakers on Amazon. They're more expensive, but seem to be a slim design. How do they compare to the NHT SuperZeroes? Any others I should consider? Am open to spending up to $150/speaker.

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F/R/surround speakers are all JBL Satellites (5.1 setup)
Bic Venturi V1020 sub

Couch is about 9 feet away from TV/Center speaker but room extends further back for another 15 feet although it's not necessary for the speakers to fill the room beyond the couch.

Speakers are used mainly for TV and movies and some music. F/R/surround speakers need to be mounted on the wall and center speaker is sitting on TV stand at the moment, so it can't have too much height.

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F/R/surround speakers need to be mounted on the wall and center speaker is sitting on TV stand at the moment, so it can't have too much height.

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How tall a center can you use?

(I had to switch to a third-party TV mount to raise the screen enough to clear a 10" high center.)
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How tall a center can you use?

(I had to switch to a third-party TV mount to raise the screen enough to clear a 10" high center.)
5.5" is about as tall as I can go for the center.
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I am looking to upgrade my L/C/R and surround sound speakers. I was recommended the NHT SuperOnes which are too big. The NHT SuperZeros are a better size, but am hoping to find something comparable in an even slimmer design. I noticed the Polk Audio OWM5 speakers on Amazon. They're more expensive, but seem to be a slim design. How do they compare to the NHT SuperZeroes? Any others I should consider? Am open to spending up to $150/speaker.

I currently have:
Yamaha TSR-7790 AVR
Definitive Technologies ProCenter 1000
F/R/surround speakers are all JBL Satellites (5.1 setup)
Bic Venturi V1020 sub

Couch is about 9 feet away from TV/Center speaker but room extends further back for another 15 feet although it's not necessary for the speakers to fill the room beyond the couch.

Speakers are used mainly for TV and movies and some music. F/R/surround speakers need to be mounted on the wall and center speaker is sitting on TV stand at the moment, so it can't have too much height.

Thank you!
Q Acoustics 3020 has a small form factor with 5" drivers. NHT SZ has 4.5" drivers. Anything smaller would put you right back into HTIB territory. The Q Acoustics are within budget, but the center is 5.9" high. You'd just need to raise the TV a little.
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6" width and height, RSL CG3/23.
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Q Acoustics 3020 has a small form factor with 5" drivers. NHT SZ has 4.5" drivers. Anything smaller would put you right back into HTIB territory. The Q Acoustics are within budget, but the center is 5.9" high. You'd just need to raise the TV a little.
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The Q Acoustics aren't any slimmer than the SuperZeroes. The Polks are 4.1 inches deep so seem to be slimmer for wall mounting. Any thoughts on those?
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6" width and height, RSL CG3/23.
Those aren't any slimmer than the SuperZeroes. The Polks are 4.1 inches deep so seem to be slimmer for wall mounting. Any thoughts on those or others that might have more of a thin profile?
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Those aren't any slimmer than the SuperZeroes. The Polks are 4.1 inches deep so seem to be slimmer for wall mounting. Any thoughts on those or others that might have more of a thin profile?
Not in your price range. You have to pay for slimness! Plenty of options, but all are more expensive. KEF, Golden Ear, Def Tech, Paradigm, Martin Logan, ELAC, Revel, Dali ....
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Those aren't any slimmer than the SuperZeroes. The Polks are 4.1 inches deep so seem to be slimmer for wall mounting. Any thoughts on those or others that might have more of a thin profile?
You could go with the Energy RC-Micro set. You'd have to find them on eBay or Amazon. They have a 5.0 and a 5.1 package. They've been out forever and get zero discussion anymore but they are very good sound quality for their size. You do need a sub that will play up to 150hz though. I've owned them as well as original superzero's and sz 2.1's. I'd take the rc-micro's over the sz 2.1's.

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The SuperZeros are sealed speakers and are about as good as it gets at that size. You are probably not going to find smaller in any speaker that is not sealed (ported requires larger cabinets).

NHT SuperZero
9 x 5 x 5.5

A serious contender would be these:

Micca RB42
7.87 x 4.92 x 8.66 in

However they are deeper (you need cabinet space in some direction) so check to see if they would still work on the wall.

I can't recommend smaller than 4" drivers...

As was mentioned you'll need a sub that can play cleanly up to about 150Hz, maybe higher. Something like an 8-10" model.
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The Q Acoustics aren't any slimmer than the SuperZeroes. The Polks are 4.1 inches deep so seem to be slimmer for wall mounting. Any thoughts on those?
Can you get away with less depth but more height or maybe horizontally? What about something like these? Also available in white, but a little more expensive.
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NHT SuperZero's are good speakers. I ran SuperOnes and a SuperCenter for years.

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Can you get away with less depth but more height or maybe horizontally? What about something like these? Also available in white, but a little more expensive.
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I love the look of those! The center is too tall, but maybe I can work something out. Would you recommend the 417 or the 416 to use as the left and right speakers? Have you heard Canton's before? How do they sound?
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I love the look of those! The center is too tall, but maybe I can work something out. Would you recommend the 417 or the 416 to use as the left and right speakers? Have you heard Canton's before? How do they sound?
Bigger driver = bigger sound and better dynamics. I personally prefer the look of the 416's so I'd go 416's for FL/FR and 517 for center.


If you could increase your budget the Chrono series is a good step up in sound quality.....and look much nicer.
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Bigger driver = bigger sound and better dynamics. I personally prefer the look of the 416's so I'd go 416's for FL/FR and 517 for center.
Of course "big sound" is helped by more capable drivers, and size can certainly help. But big sound comes from many factors, many being related to the cabinet, front baffle, and/or waveguide design, along with driver selection and a crossover that blends the drivers directivity.

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I agree, but I also noticed that the aluminum-manganese tweeter upgrade the Chrono gets did trickle down into the GLE line, so look out for that.
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I love the look of those! The center is too tall, but maybe I can work something out. Would you recommend the 417 or the 416 to use as the left and right speakers? Have you heard Canton's before? How do they sound?
I would go with the 416 -- and Canton makes some really nice sounding speakers
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If you could increase your budget the Chrono series is a good step up in sound quality.....and look much nicer.
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It's been a while, but I just recently changed my tv setup and am able to fit a bigger center. I'm looking to pull the trigger on a pair of Canton Chrono 511 wall-mounted for front left and right and Canton Chrono 515 for center sitting on top of my cabinet. Wanted to see if anyone had an opinion about this setup for movies/tv. I have a sub and avr and JBL surrounds already so they will complete the system. Mainly I want to be sure the dialog from movies will be clear and they'll be enjoyable to listen to.

I wish I could test them first, but A4L doesn't have that option.
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It's been a while, but I just recently changed my tv setup and am able to fit a bigger center. I'm looking to pull the trigger on a pair of Canton Chrono 511 wall-mounted for front left and right and Canton Chrono 515 for center sitting on top of my cabinet. Wanted to see if anyone had an opinion about this setup for movies/tv. I have a sub and avr and JBL surrounds already so they will complete the system. Mainly I want to be sure the dialog from movies will be clear and they'll be enjoyable to listen to.

I wish I could test them first, but A4L doesn't have that option.
The Chrono 511's have the same tweeter as the 515 center so should be a nice matched setup. The 511's don't have as large an enclosure as the bookshelf Chrono's so low end will be less of course but you have subs so I wouldn't worry about that at all. Should be an excellent sounding setup. The center is a 3 way design which is optimal.
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The Chrono 511's have the same tweeter as the 515 center so should be a nice matched setup. The 511's don't have as large an enclosure as the bookshelf Chrono's so low end will be less of course but you have subs so I wouldn't worry about that at all. Should be an excellent sounding setup. The center is a 3 way design which is optimal.
Thanks! The 515 is rear ported and will be placed about 5-inches from the wall on top of a cabinet. Any concerns with a rear-ported center? I'm assuming there wouldn't be much bass coming from the center anyway since I have a sub but I also wouldn't want it to push too much noise to the room behind the wall the tv is on.
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Thanks! The 515 is rear ported and will be placed about 5-inches from the wall on top of a cabinet. Any concerns with a rear-ported center? I'm assuming there wouldn't be much bass coming from the center anyway since I have a sub but I also wouldn't want it to push too much noise to the room behind the wall the tv is on.
5 inches is plenty since you will probably be crossing it over at 60 or 80Hz
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It's been a while, but I just recently changed my tv setup and am able to fit a bigger center. I'm looking to pull the trigger on a pair of Canton Chrono 511 wall-mounted for front left and right and Canton Chrono 515 for center sitting on top of my cabinet. Wanted to see if anyone had an opinion about this setup for movies/tv. I have a sub and avr and JBL surrounds already so they will complete the system. Mainly I want to be sure the dialog from movies will be clear and they'll be enjoyable to listen to.

I wish I could test them first, but A4L doesn't have that option.
If you can't do the Chrono 502's and have to go on wall, the 511 are designed for that purpose. The frequency range will be shorter, but I'm sure your sub can handle a 100-120hz crossover. As mentioned the center has the same drivers so should be no issue. Keep in mind that these speakers aren't very efficient so something to keep in mind if you like cranking it up to 11.
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I am looking to upgrade my L/C/R and surround sound speakers. I was recommended the NHT SuperOnes which are too big. The NHT SuperZeros are a better size, but am hoping to find something comparable in an even slimmer design. I noticed the Polk Audio OWM5 speakers on Amazon. They're more expensive, but seem to be a slim design. How do they compare to the NHT SuperZeroes? Any others I should consider? Am open to spending up to $150/speaker.
Here are 5 compact speakers to compare:
  • NHT SuperZero, 9 x 5 x 5.5 (sealed, 4" woofer) - 85Hz*
  • NHT SuperOne, 11.6 x 7.3 x 8.5" (sealed, 6.5" woofer) - 56Hz*
  • NHT C1, 9.7 x 7.5 x 5.8" (sealed, 5" woofer) - 70Hz*
  • RSL CG3, 9.5 x 5.2 x 6.4" (front ported, 4" woofer) - 100Hz
  • Ascend HTM-200SE, 11 x 6.5 x 6.4" (sealed, DUAL 4" woofers) - 68Hz

* = NHT's bass extension numbers are often questioned by users, who report them to be an average of 20Hz higher than claimed; the SuperZero for example usually requires a 100Hz or higher crossover.

The 200SE would be my pick out of those 5. Second would be the NHT C1.
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If you can't do the Chrono 502's and have to go on wall, the 511 are designed for that purpose. The frequency range will be shorter, but I'm sure your sub can handle a 100-120hz crossover. As mentioned the center has the same drivers so should be no issue. Keep in mind that these speakers aren't very efficient so something to keep in mind if you like cranking it up to 11.
Thanks, that should be ok. I don't need things too loud generally, but it needs to be clear enough so we can hear dialogue. The only exception is when we have a Super Bowl Party and I have to crank the volume then. I figure in the future, if we get more space and I can get the 502s, I can then move the 511s to surround speakers for 5.1 or even 7.1.
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Thanks, that should be ok. I don't need things too loud generally, but it needs to be clear enough so we can hear dialogue. The only exception is when we have a Super Bowl Party and I have to crank the volume then. I figure in the future, if we get more space and I can get the 502s, I can then move the 511s to surround speakers for 5.1 or even 7.1.
They can get pretty loud with a modest AVR, but won't achieve movie theater levels. Some room correction programs will sometimes put the center level a little low so make manual adjustments if necessary. The detail, clarity and accuracy will be quite good on the Chrono's.

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The 511's don't have as large an enclosure as the bookshelf Chrono's so low end will be less of course
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For a sealed cabinet only 3.5" deep, that must be at least a 60db roll-off, lol! Didn't know that Canton is a specs-embellisher.

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I'd expect the 3db roll off to be closer to 90-100Hz for the 511.

Where did you find that the 515 is rear-ported? I couldn't find any mention of it on the Canton website, nor any photos of the back of the speaker, although the 12" depth of the speaker does suggest a rear ported design.
https://www.canton.de/en/hifi/chrono...r?number=03594

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Noticed that Canton lists the 511 as

https://www.canton.de/en/hifi/chrono-series/chrono-511

For a sealed cabinet only 3.5" deep, that must be at least a 60db roll-off, lol! Didn't know that Canton is a specs-embellisher.

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I'd expect the 3db roll off to be closer to 90-100Hz for the 511.
Yeah, I found it strange that Canton said the 511's could handle 40Hz too. Thanks for that info.

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Where did you find that the 515 is rear-ported? I couldn't find any mention of it on the Canton website, nor any photos of the back of the speaker, although the 12" depth of the speaker does suggest a rear ported design.
https://www.canton.de/en/hifi/chrono...r?number=03594
I saw someone mentioned it in a thread on one of the AV boards - sorry I can't find the link. Anyway, I emailed A4L to find out just in case and they confirmed it was rear-ported.
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Yeah, I found it strange that Canton said the 511's could handle 40Hz too. Thanks for that info.

I saw someone mentioned it in a thread on one of the AV boards - sorry I can't find the link. Anyway, I emailed A4L to find out just in case and they confirmed it was rear-ported.
The 515 should make for a good center speaker then, but if you value your music listening, that's where either the Ascend 200SE or NHT C1 would be a much wiser choice at least for the L/R...and no, it's not at all essential to "timbre match" the center to the mains.

If you're curious, start with post #19 of this thread:
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There are many more threads like that. I should have thought to save them as they came up, and will start to do so herewith.

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The 515 should make for a good center speaker then, but if you value your music listening, that's where either the Ascend 200SE or NHT C1 would be a much wiser choice at least for the L/R...and no, it's not at all essential to "timbre match" the center to the mains.
Interesting - I'm curious, why would you recommend the 515 as a center speaker for those when you could use an Ascend as a center for Ascend LR or the NHT C Center as a Center for the C1? What's better about the 515 for those LR speakers? (Just trying to learn as much as I can)
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Interesting - I'm curious, why would you recommend the 515 as a center speaker for those when you could use an Ascend as a center for Ascend LR or the NHT C Center as a Center for the C1? What's better about the 515 for those LR speakers? (Just trying to learn as much as I can)
Oh I forgot that Amazon does carry the C-LCR center for $278, so you don't have to pay $500 from NHT direct. In that case you could use it with the C1 on L/R, yes. I thought you would've been stuck with the SuperCenter of the Media Series centers, both of which are 2 way designs.

The 200SE would probably be ok as a center too, but if given a choice between a 3 way with 6.5" woofers and a 2 way with dual 4" it's an easy choice.
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