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Any NHT C-4 and C-LCR owners out there?

Very little has been written on the NHT C-4 and C-LCR, in terms of professional and user reviews, at least that I can find. The C-3 standmount has been covered pretty well, but not much out there on the C-4 and C-LCR from this series.

Any owners out there that can share their experiences with these speakers?

I've had great experiences with several NHT models over the years, including the original SuperOne, SuperCenter, SB3, SB2, and SC2. I really appreciate the tight, detailed bass and seamless sub integration I've experienced with NHT's acoustic suspension designs.

I do wish they had other finish options though, as the high gloss black finish would be pretty reflective (and possibly distracting) near a video display in a darkened room.

I've been considering new L/R/C speakers for the 5.1 system, replacing the Polk LS90 floorstanders and CS400i center we currently have. No real complaints with these Polks, which have served us well for years. However, looking for perhaps more detailed and articulate speakers, and also like the idea of acoustic suspension for the reasons above.

The new Monoprice THX speakers (also acoustic suspension) are interesting too, but I want floorstanders for L/R.


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Very little has been written on the NHT C-4 and C-LCR, in terms of professional and user reviews, at least that I can find. The C-3 standmount has been covered pretty well, but not much out there on the C-4 and C-LCR from this series.

Any owners out there that can share their experiences with these speakers?

I've had great experiences with several NHT models over the years, including the original SuperOne, SuperCenter, SB3, SB2, and SC2. I really appreciate the tight, detailed bass and seamless sub integration I've experienced with NHT's acoustic suspension designs.

I do wish they had other finish options though, as the high gloss black finish would be pretty reflective (and possibly distracting) near a video display in a darkened room.

I've been considering new L/R/C speakers for the 5.1 system, replacing the Polk LS90 floorstanders and CS400i center we currently have. No real complaints with these Polks, which have served us well for years. However, looking for perhaps more detailed and articulate speakers, and also like the idea of acoustic suspension for the reasons above.

The new Monoprice THX speakers (also acoustic suspension) are interesting too, but I want floorstanders for L/R.


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you are correct, nht c-4 reviews just don't happen, though people i have contact with seem to love the current c series(the owners anyway)... i've toyed with the thought of getting c-3's a couple of times.. never heard a bad word about them ...

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you are correct, nht c-4 reviews just don't happen, though people i have contact with seem to love the current c series(the owners anyway)... i've toyed with the thought of getting c-3's a couple of times.. never heard a bad word about them ...
Yep, and the C-3 and C-LCR are around $330 on Amazon, so pretty darn good prices on those, especially the LCR. You don't see the C-4 discounted nearly as much, percentage-wise.


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If the C4 and C3 are like the Classic Four and Classic Three, the C4 should sound like the C3 with better bass.

If you can fit it, get the C3 for center. The midrange dome can't play high enough to work well in a toppled W(MT)W configuration. If you can't, get new furniture or move the screen to make it happen.

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I have the nht classic 4's and the classic 3 part of the speaker is excellent but the subs as part of the classsic 4 dont pick up all ranges of bass like they should to be totally balanced. I added a powered sub to fill the gap.
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If the C4 and C3 are like the Classic Four and Classic Three, the C4 should sound like the C3 with better bass.

If you can fit it, get the C3 for center. The midrange dome can't play high enough to work well in a toppled W(MT)W configuration. If you can't, get new furniture or move the screen to make it happen.
Could you please explain "midrange dome can't play high enough to work well in a toppled W(MT)W configuration"?

In your opinion, how high would the midrange need to play to work well?

Does this relate to off-axis frequency response?

BTW, I could not find the crossover info on the LCR, but the C-3's crossover points are 817 HZ and 4750 Hz, so I would guess that the LCR has the same or similar.

I only have about 9" from the bottom of my projector screen to the top shelf of my equipment stand, where the center speaker sits. So, I am limited to a horizontal center speaker. Also, I generally sit dead center, so am always on axis with the center speaker. The other viewers would not care or notice.


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Could you please explain "midrange dome can't play high enough to work well in a toppled W(MT)W configuration"?
Yes - was exactly wrong.

I should have written can't play low enough. In a toppled W(MT)W I would like to see a crossover about an octave lower than NHT's (making the same assumption you are) with a very steep filter, or two octaves lower with the 2nd order filter I expect NHT is using. (Could be wrong)

Yes, this related to maintaining acoustic performance. Some people claim it doesn't matter because they "sit on axis" or whatever. Presumably they live in anechoic chambers where reflections aren't a thing.

IMO if one needs a fairly short horizontal center, skip NHT and look to KEF or Elac.

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I was very much into NHT during the 90's and early 2000's. I think the 2.9's were maybe the best value. Then when I constructed my man cave/home theater I went with Classic 4's. My issue is that I watch ton of concert videos and like it loud. NHT's just don't have the sensitivity for spirited listening with any distance at all. I was using a d-sonic 500 wpch amp for the front three and of course waisted my tweeters in no time. (MLP is roughly 13 feet out from an AT screen)
So I upgraded to JBL cinema speakers with 100+ dB sensitivity.
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Yes - was exactly wrong.

I should have written can't play low enough. In a toppled W(MT)W I would like to see a crossover about an octave lower than NHT's (making the same assumption you are) with a very steep filter, or two octaves lower with the 2nd order filter I expect NHT is using. (Could be wrong)

Yes, this related to maintaining acoustic performance. Some people claim it doesn't matter because they "sit on axis" or whatever. Presumably they live in anechoic chambers where reflections aren't a thing.

IMO if one needs a fairly short horizontal center, skip NHT and look to KEF or Elac.
Thanks for the clarification.

I had not really considered the Elac Uni-Fi line, but will look into them.

For reference, my current Polk center has two 6.5" woofers and a 1" tweeter with the following cascaded crossover design for the woofers, which is supposed to benefit dispersion:

"2nd order low pass filter cascaded at 1.5kHz. and 800 Hz, and a 2nd order high pass filter at 1.5kHz"

The Polk center is pretty good - no real complaints...just have a bit of an upgrade itch. I'm also considering the Polk LSiM series and Emotiva.


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I was very much into NHT during the 90's and early 2000's. I think the 2.9's were maybe the best value. Then when I constructed my man cave/home theater I went with Classic 4's. My issue is that I watch ton of concert videos and like it loud. NHT's just don't have the sensitivity for spirited listening with any distance at all. I was using a d-sonic 500 wpch amp for the front three and of course waisted my tweeters in no time. (MLP is roughly 13 feet out from an AT screen)
So I upgraded to JBL cinema speakers with 100+ dB sensitivity.
Funny, concert videos at spirited levels are the majority of my listening in this system!

I have not blown a tweeter yet (knock wood) and the Polk LS90 and CS400i are from 1993 and 2001, respectively! Probably just jinxed myself.

Regarding blowing your Classic 4 tweeters, I wonder if the newer C series would be more robust, since the tweeters are now 1" (vs. 3/4") and the crossover point is now higher, at least based on the Classic 3 vs. C3.


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Funny, concert videos at spirited levels are the majority of my listening in this system!

I have not blown a tweeter yet (knock wood) and the Polk LS90 and CS400i are from 1993 and 2001, respectively! Probably just jinxed myself.

Regarding blowing your Classic 4 tweeters, I wonder if the newer C series would be more robust, since the tweeters are now 1" (vs. 3/4") and the crossover point is now higher, at least based on the Classic 3 vs. C3.


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the c series should have a bit more spl capability... but blowing out tweeters is generally from playing above clipping levels.. i.o.w. no matter how many watts you have , if you are constantly playing the amp as loud as you can get it to play , you will create problems...

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