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Speaker Decision Help (Klipsch vs Polk vs Martin Logan)

Room size: approx 14x13

I'm considering the following setups:

1) Martin Logan 6i center + 4x 2i's as fronts/rears
2) Polk Audio csi a6 center + 4x RTi a3's as fronts/rears (also considering 2x rti a1's as rears and just 2x a3's as fronts)
3) Klipsch RP-400C center + 4x RP-160's as fronts/rears

Sub choices will be paired by brand most likely with the possible exception of the SVS SB1000. Otherwise will be Klipsch r-112sw, or Polk PSW125.

I've listened to all three setups separately, and liked something about each of them, and wish I was able to put them side-by-side for a real comparison. Speakers will be used 90% of the time for TV/Movies. Any suggestions or things i'm missing/forgetting? In regards to receiver, most likely will be a Yamaha RX-A780, unlikely choice if I don't go with Yamaha is Denon x3500, but always been a Yamaha person.

Thanks for any input..

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ML, and since you want matching, this sub (or the 1000) is closed out at a ridiculously low price:

https://www.ebay.com/p/MartinLogan-D...264&opts=opick

It's a VIRTUAL channel unless stated otherwise.
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ML, and since you want matching, this sub (or the 1000) is closed out at a ridiculously low price:

https://www.ebay.com/p/MartinLogan-D...264&opts=opick
Thanks. yeah, i liked the ML speakers, but without a sub i was shocked at how bad they sounded. I'm fine with a mis-matched sub, just figured they'd be 'tuned' better? If the SVS1000 is the sub to go with, i'll do it.
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Thanks. yeah, i liked the ML speakers, but without a sub i was shocked at how bad they sounded. I'm fine with a mis-matched sub, just figured they'd be 'tuned' better? If the SVS1000 is the sub to go with, i'll do it.
All that matters is how they sound WITH the sub!

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Room size: approx 14x13

I'm considering the following setups:

1) Martin Logan 6i center + 4x 2i's as fronts/rears
2) Polk Audio csi a6 center + 4x RTi a3's as fronts/rears (also considering 2x rti a1's as rears and just 2x a3's as fronts)
3) Klipsch RP-400C center + 4x RP-160's as fronts/rears

Sub choices will be paired by brand most likely with the possible exception of the SVS SB1000. Otherwise will be Klipsch r-112sw, or Polk PSW125.

I've listened to all three setups separately, and liked something about each of them, and wish I was able to put them side-by-side for a real comparison. Speakers will be used 90% of the time for TV/Movies. Any suggestions or things i'm missing/forgetting? In regards to receiver, most likely will be a Yamaha RX-A780, unlikely choice if I don't go with Yamaha is Denon x3500, but always been a Yamaha person.

Thanks for any input..
While I like my Martin Logans for your use the Klipsch RP makes the most sense IMHO.

Don't get a Polk or Klipsch sub; they brand of sub does not matter and any of these are better.

350watts =15w16h17d= 40 lbs 10" [30hz] $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)

250watts =15w19h17d= 42 lbs 10" [25hz] $455 HSU VTF 1 MK3 (extension from Audioholics review)

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

500watts =15w19h20d= 72 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH THX 10"

300watts =16w22h21d= 69 lbs* 12" [19hz] $569 RHYTHMIK LV12F

350watts =15w21h22d= 62 lbs 12" [18hz] $607 HSU VTF2 MK5, (extension from Audioholics review)
* = shipping weight

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While I like my Martin Logans for your use the Klipsch RP makes the most sense IMHO.

Don't get a Polk or Klipsch sub; they brand of sub does not matter and any of these are better.

350watts =15w16h17d= 40 lbs 10" [30hz] $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)

250watts =15w19h17d= 42 lbs 10" [25hz] $455 HSU VTF 1 MK3 (extension from Audioholics review)

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

500watts =15w19h20d= 72 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH THX 10"

300watts =16w22h21d= 69 lbs* 12" [19hz] $569 RHYTHMIK LV12F

350watts =15w21h22d= 62 lbs 12" [18hz] $607 HSU VTF2 MK5, (extension from Audioholics review)
* = shipping weight

Thanks for the input. I went to go listen again, and I completely mucked things up and am probably going to upgrade a little and get 2x ML-4i for the fronts, the ML-8i for the center, and 2x ML 2i for the rears, paired with a sub while listening, it sounded pretty good. Unfortunately the Klipsch are not carried locally by me anymore, and I can only 'listen' on the crutchfield digital listening thing on their website.

In regards to sub, thanks for those. Being that i'm upgrading on the front/center, 500 is really the max budget for the sub. I'll look into the Monolith (although solely based on photos, doesn't the Yamaha a780 i'm going to get I don't think will work without a LFE connection. I've heard good things about the RSL, and in regards to the SVS, I thought the SB was better than PB?
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Thanks for the input. I went to go listen again, and I completely mucked things up and am probably going to upgrade a little and get 2x ML-4i for the fronts, the ML-8i for the center, and 2x ML 2i for the rears, paired with a sub while listening, it sounded pretty good. Unfortunately the Klipsch are not carried locally by me anymore, and I can only 'listen' on the crutchfield digital listening thing on their website.

In regards to sub, thanks for those. Being that i'm upgrading on the front/center, 500 is really the max budget for the sub. I'll look into the Monolith (although solely based on photos, doesn't the Yamaha a780 i'm going to get I don't think will work without a LFE connection. I've heard good things about the RSL, and in regards to the SVS, I thought the SB was better than PB?
AVS recently tested almost that exact system and loved it.

https://www.avsforum.com/martinlogan...system-review/

Any sub will work with your Yamaha receiver but note that some Yamaha owners have complained about low sub outputs from their receivers; I'd consider Denon instead as no such problems have been noted in that brands sub output.

The Denon 3400 is far cheaper and has better EQ than the Yamaha.

https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVRX340...=AED492BX4II6G

Here is my full list of "affordable" subs; note my notes at the top regarding the output of sealed vs ported.

PORTED SUBWOOFERS $600 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

NOTE:
*THE LARGER PORTED SUBS DELIVER AT LEAST 40% MORE SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL
THAN THE SAME BRAND'S SEALED VERSION WITH SAME SIZE WOOFER AND AMP
*IF LOOKING AT LARGER/MORE EXPENSIVE SUBWOOFERS ADD PSA TO THE LIST OF BRANDS
*IF YOU ARE NOT AN ACTION MOVIE FAN A SUBWOOFER WITH 22-30HZ EXTENSION WOULD BE FINE
*FOR MUSIC A 30HZ SUB IS A FINE CHOICE
*BEFORE BUYING MAKE A CARDBOARD CUTOUT OF THE SIZE OF THE SUB TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT TOO LARGE FOR YOU
Specs are from the manufacturer unless noted otherwise.
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1 year 150watts =12w7h24d= 25 lbs 8" [23hz] $219 EARTHQUAKE LOW PROFILE CP8 (Amazon price)

3 years 120watts =13w15h16d= 29 lbs 10" [29hz] $250 MARTIN LOGAN DYNAMO 500, limited time offer

2 years 350watts =15w16h17d= 40 lbs 10" [30hz] $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)

2 years 250watts =15w19h17d= 42 lbs 10" [25hz] $455 HSU VTF 1 MK3 (extension from Audioholics review)

5 years 300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

5 years 500watts =15w19h20d= 72 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH THX 10"

3 years 300watts =16w22h21d= 69 lbs* 12" [19hz] $569 RHYTHMIK LV12F

2 years 350watts =15w21h22d= 62 lbs 12" [18hz] $607 HSU VTF2 MK5, (extension from Audioholics review)
* = shipping weight

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

3 years 300watts =12w13h13d= 27 lbs 10" [24hz] $399 MARTIN LOGAN DYNAMO 700W, limited time offer Amazon.
NOTE: WIRELESS TRANSMITTER INCLUDED

5 years 300watts =13w14h16d= 27 lbs 12" [23hz] $499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)

5 years 500watts =13w16h21d= 50 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH MTS10 THX

3 years 300watts =14w14h16d= 58 lbs* 12" [18hz] $539 RHYTHMIK L12

5 years 500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)
* = shipping weight

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Thanks for the input. I went to go listen again, and I completely mucked things up and am probably going to upgrade a little and get 2x ML-4i for the fronts, the ML-8i for the center, and 2x ML 2i for the rears, paired with a sub while listening, it sounded pretty good. Unfortunately the Klipsch are not carried locally by me anymore, and I can only 'listen' on the crutchfield digital listening thing on their website.

In regards to sub, thanks for those. Being that i'm upgrading on the front/center, 500 is really the max budget for the sub. I'll look into the Monolith (although solely based on photos, doesn't the Yamaha a780 i'm going to get I don't think will work without a LFE connection. I've heard good things about the RSL, and in regards to the SVS, I thought the SB was better than PB?
Note that the ML 4i have a single 4"driver which is on the small side, especially with 80% HT usage. The Klipsch RP and Polk RTI setups will have better dynamics and larger soundstage which may be better suited for your intended usage.

The Monolith 10 would definitely be a better option than both the Klipsch and Polk subs. I'd definitely consider the above mentioned Denon X3400 for better room correction and dual sub eq.

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Note that the ML 4i have a single 4"driver which is on the small side, especially with 80% HT usage. The Klipsch RP and Polk RTI setups will have better dynamics and larger soundstage which may be better suited for your intended usage.

The Monolith 10 would definitely be a better option than both the Klipsch and Polk subs. I'd definitely consider the above mentioned Denon X3400 for better room correction and dual sub eq.
I've been a Yamaha user for the past 20 years, and knock on wood, have not had a problem with them, so I know even when being recommended (50/50 split by people i've talked to) the Denon, due to my history with them, i'll probably end up with the Yamaha for piece of mind, unless something is really standing out in regards to the Denon vs the Yamaha that i'm unaware of. I do appreciate the input.

Knowing AVS reviewed basically the exact system setup in a room larger than it's going in, is great to know as well. Ideally, i'd love to buy both systems and listen to one for 2-3 days, and then the other for 2-3 days and decide between the two, but not sure i'll be able to manage that, and will prob just end up with the ML unless I find a store I can listen to the ML and Klipsch side-by-side.
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AVS recently tested almost that exact system and loved it.

https://www.avsforum.com/martinlogan...system-review/

Any sub will work with your Yamaha receiver but note that some Yamaha owners have complained about low sub outputs from their receivers; I'd consider Denon instead as no such problems have been noted in that brands sub output.

The Denon 3400 is far cheaper and has better EQ than the Yamaha.

https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVRX340...=AED492BX4II6G

Here is my full list of "affordable" subs; note my notes at the top regarding the output of sealed vs ported.

PORTED SUBWOOFERS $600 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

NOTE:
*THE LARGER PORTED SUBS DELIVER AT LEAST 40% MORE SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL
THAN THE SAME BRAND'S SEALED VERSION WITH SAME SIZE WOOFER AND AMP
*IF LOOKING AT LARGER/MORE EXPENSIVE SUBWOOFERS ADD PSA TO THE LIST OF BRANDS
*IF YOU ARE NOT AN ACTION MOVIE FAN A SUBWOOFER WITH 22-30HZ EXTENSION WOULD BE FINE
*FOR MUSIC A 30HZ SUB IS A FINE CHOICE
*BEFORE BUYING MAKE A CARDBOARD CUTOUT OF THE SIZE OF THE SUB TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT TOO LARGE FOR YOU
Specs are from the manufacturer unless noted otherwise.
Warranty
for AMP
1 year 150watts =12w7h24d= 25 lbs 8" [23hz] $219 EARTHQUAKE LOW PROFILE CP8 (Amazon price)

3 years 120watts =13w15h16d= 29 lbs 10" [29hz] $250 MARTIN LOGAN DYNAMO 500, limited time offer

2 years 350watts =15w16h17d= 40 lbs 10" [30hz] $399 RSL SPEEDWOOFER 10S, (extension from Sound & Vision review)

2 years 250watts =15w19h17d= 42 lbs 10" [25hz] $455 HSU VTF 1 MK3 (extension from Audioholics review)

5 years 300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

5 years 500watts =15w19h20d= 72 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH THX 10"

3 years 300watts =16w22h21d= 69 lbs* 12" [19hz] $569 RHYTHMIK LV12F

2 years 350watts =15w21h22d= 62 lbs 12" [18hz] $607 HSU VTF2 MK5, (extension from Audioholics review)
* = shipping weight

SEALED SUBWOOFERS $650 AND BELOW, DELIVERED

3 years 300watts =12w13h13d= 27 lbs 10" [24hz] $399 MARTIN LOGAN DYNAMO 700W, limited time offer Amazon.
NOTE: WIRELESS TRANSMITTER INCLUDED

5 years 300watts =13w14h16d= 27 lbs 12" [23hz] $499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)

5 years 500watts =13w16h21d= 50 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH MTS10 THX

3 years 300watts =14w14h16d= 58 lbs* 12" [18hz] $539 RHYTHMIK L12

5 years 500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)
* = shipping weight
Thanks, i'm def going to look more into the Monolith, and prob keep it between the Monolith and SVS. I don't mind the height of any of the subs, it's really the width, as I kept 13" of space for where it is presumably going to go. But both the ported SVS and Monolith are 15" wide, so I may have to reconsider. Again, appreciate the input, and link for the AVS review of basically the exact setup. I wish I could find a store that had the ML and Klipsch side-by-side.
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Thanks, i'm def going to look more into the Monolith, and prob keep it between the Monolith and SVS. I don't mind the height of any of the subs, it's really the width, as I kept 13" of space for where it is presumably going to go. But both the ported SVS and Monolith are 15" wide, so I may have to reconsider. Again, appreciate the input, and link for the AVS review of basically the exact setup. I wish I could find a store that had the ML and Klipsch side-by-side.
$10/box returns on them at Crutchfield so your maximum financial cost to test head to head in your own home is $20 if each speaker comes in a single box like my LX16s did and you only send home the "loser."

60 days to decide.

I think your decision is worth an investment of $10 or $20.

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