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Speakers for Atmos, can't mount in ceiling

My current speakers are:

Paradigm Studio 100 v2
Paradigm Studio ADP 20 v.2
Paradigm Studio CC-350
SVS 20-39PC-Plus

I am looking to add speakers for Atmos, I think I need two forward up firing speakers and two rear upward firing speakers. I have the Yamaha RX-A3080 if it makes any difference. Any recommendations?

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My current speakers are:

Paradigm Studio 100 v2
Paradigm Studio ADP 20 v.2
Paradigm Studio CC-350
SVS 20-39PC-Plus

I am looking to add speakers for Atmos, I think I need two forward up firing speakers and two rear upward firing speakers. I have the Yamaha RX-A3080 if it makes any difference. Any recommendations?

Thanks!
-g
I'd say dont bother. It's not worth it if you cant put something in or on the ceiling. Can you do on-ceiling speakers or even shelf mounted high up to ceiling wall mounted speakers? There are lots of small speakers that can be mounted to the ceiling externally. B&W m1 style.

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My current speakers are:

Paradigm Studio 100 v2
Paradigm Studio ADP 20 v.2
Paradigm Studio CC-350
SVS 20-39PC-Plus

I am looking to add speakers for Atmos, I think I need two forward up firing speakers and two rear upward firing speakers. I have the Yamaha RX-A3080 if it makes any difference. Any recommendations?

Thanks!
-g
Have to agree with what has been said.

If you can't do something like this, could mount on ceiling or at the ceiling/wall junction, I would stick to 5.1.

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...te-pair/1.html

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Upfiring modules will work (there is an entire AVS thread about them) but they won't be as effective as speakers physically placed above you. IF you can't do ceiling, can you mount speakers high up on the front & back walls?

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If you can't do in ceiling speakers, Front Height / Rear Height would be a good option. Your receiver supports this configuration for both Dolby Atmos & DTS:X (p.26 in the manual).


From what I have read, reflective / up-firing Atmos modules are the least prefered option.

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I can mount them up on the wall, the problem with a ceiling mount is that it is vaulted (not the greatest for a home theater). I can mount them at the ceiling/wall junction both front and back. How are front height and rear height speakers different than Atmos speakers? How many high speakers do I need for Atmos? 2? 4? 6?

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I can mount them up on the wall, the problem with a ceiling mount is that it is vaulted (not the greatest for a home theater). I can mount them at the ceiling/wall junction both front and back. How are front height and rear height speakers different than Atmos speakers? How many high speakers do I need for Atmos? 2? 4? 6?

TIA for all your help.

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I suggest that you download and read this: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf

Notation: 5.1.4 means 5 base speakers, 1 subwoofer, 4 Atmos speakers.

If you have a vaulted ceiling, Dolby enabled (ceiling bounce) speakers are not recommended. The normal use is with a flat ceiling, ideally 7.5 to 12 feet (2.3 to 3.66m) high, and acoustically reflective. If you chose to use them anyway, no Dolby police would show up at your door, but the effects may be much worse than optimal.

Given the vaulted ceiling, my first choice would be mounting them as high as possible on the side walls, pointed down towards the listening position. SVS Prime Elevation speakers are designed for that (among other things), but you can also use regular speakers with separate tilt mounts. I believe that some AVRs have provision for side Atmos speakers. My Denon AVR-X4300H (2016 model) does not; I'm using the overhead setting, which isn't optimal.

The next choice would be speakers high on the front and rear walls.

4 Atmos speakers is the recommended number. If you wanted to use 6, I believe that the supported setup with the fewest channels is 7.1.6. (7 base speakers, 6 Atmos.) That'd require 13 amplifier channels. A Denon AVR-X8500H would support that, for a price. Your 3080 has 9 amplifiers, so it could do 5.1.4. It processes 11 channels, so you could add an external amp and do 7.1.4. (I'm pretty sure that 5.1.6 is not an allowed configuration.)
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I can mount them up on the wall, the problem with a ceiling mount is that it is vaulted (not the greatest for a home theater). I can mount them at the ceiling/wall junction both front and back. How are front height and rear height speakers different than Atmos speakers? How many high speakers do I need for Atmos? 2? 4? 6?

TIA for all your help.

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There are three "flavors" of Atmos on the consumer market when looking at AVRs.

5.x.2 (entry level) 5.x.4 (sweet spot for most) 5.x.6 (the AVRs are so expensive very few folks have this iteration).

For a vaulted ceiling I'd take a hard look at Pendant Speakers.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_855C65...ndant_speakers

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There are three "flavors" of Atmos on the consumer market when looking at AVRs.

5.x.2 (entry level) 5.x.4 (sweet spot for most) 5.x.6 (the AVRs are so expensive very few folks have this iteration).

For a vaulted ceiling I'd take a hard look at Pendant Speakers.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_855C65...ndant_speakers
Did you mean 7.x.6? (If 5.x.6 was allowed with an 11 channel receiver, it wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.)
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Did you mean 7.x.6? (If 5.x.6 was allowed with an 11 channel receiver, it wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.)
Yes you are correct, I was thinking of the $4000 Denon 8500 which will supports a range of Atmos configurations, including 9.2.4 and 7.2.6

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SVS Prime Elevation speakers are designed for that (among other things)
Thank you, lots of good info. I really like the SVS elevation speakers. Now I just need to order and install them.


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Thank you everyone, I appreciate the help and information.


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