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Side and rear surround options <$300pr

Hello everyone!
I recently moved, and after putting the theater room back together, I've come to the conclusion that it's time to upgrade the surrounds. The Spherex/Mirage design have served me well but in the new room, they are not working out. I'm wanting sealed or front ported, with reasonable physical depth in order to place them as close to the walls as possible to save space. I am also looking for something that's a timbre match to my AA+ LCRs and be able to play flat to an 80hz subwoofer crossover point. I do like to listen at about -10 from reference. My MLP is about 8ft from the LCR.
After doing some research, I still seem drawn to the Wavecrests, Ascends or NHT. The Wavecrests are also on sale for $80 each right now. Hopefully this edit clarifies things, and again, I apologize for the garbled mess.

Video: JVC RS35 or Optoma HD8600 on 120". - 60" Panasonic plasma. - Darby Darblet video processor. - Panasonic BD85 Blu-ray playback.
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I recently moved, and after putting the theater room back together, I've come to the conclu&#115;ion that it'&#115; time to upgrade the &#115;urround&#115;. The room &#115;ize i&#115; 12x16 and the MLP i&#115; about 9ft from the front wall. &#83;ince it i&#115; a &#115;maller room, I'm looking for &#115;ealed or front ported that can be put on &#115;tand&#115; again&#115;t the wall&#115;. I will need 2 pair&#115;. Height of the &#115;peaker i&#115;n't a concern but I'd like to keep depth at a rea&#115;onable number to maximize room &#115;pace. Finally, I'd like to be flat to 80hz to give me a fuller &#115;ound. Right now, I'm looking at NHT &#83;uperzero, HTD Level 2, Jamo &#83;803, Dayton Audio, Monoprice, Audioengine P4, A&#115;cend MTM200, and Wavecre&#115;t. Thank&#115; in advance!
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"On an individual basis, I think it would be fair to say it was the little OW4.2 on wall speakers’ performance that surprised me the most. Their low-profile design and the smaller mid-woofer driver did not have me expecting very much initially. But ARC found them to have a low-enough reach to set an 80 Hz crossover automatically and my ears found them to be able to throw a massive and convincing rear sound field. For movies, rear effects sounded big and bold when they needed to, yet there was plenty of detail to render the subtleties of things like raindrops, birds chirping and distant sound cues effectively. For surround music, the story was the same.

The little OW4.2s were more than able to keep up with the larger front 3 speakers in painting a complete and enveloping sonic picture. Best of all, not only were sounds panning from back to front seamless in image and timbre, but pans that moved from side to back to other side were completely convincing. I don’t know what magic sauce Andrew Jones used to garnish these little dynamos but let’s just say they had me “eating my hat” on more than a few occasions!

If I had one nitpick about them, it would be that I wish that the binding posts were mounted in recessed pockets built into the top or a side of the cabinet. I think it would just make for an easier time of hooking up the speaker wire during installation."

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If only tho&#115;e were not bottom ported, they would be the &#115;limme&#115;t I've con&#115;idered. Unfortunately, &#115;ince they will be on &#115;tand&#115;, it doe&#115;n't look like they would work. I appreciate the &#115;ugge&#115;tion!

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If only tho&#115;e were not bottom ported, they would be the &#115;limme&#115;t I've con&#115;idered. Unfortunately, &#115;ince they will be on &#115;tand&#115;, it doe&#115;n't look like they would work. I appreciate the &#115;ugge&#115;tion!
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Unfortunately, tho&#115;e look to only be good to 120hz and a&#115; I mentioned in my fir&#115;t po&#115;t, I'm looking for &#115;omething flat to 80hz to cro&#115;&#115;over with my &#115;ub&#115;.

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recently moved, and after putting the theater room back together, I've come to the conclu&#115;ion that it'&#115; time to upgrade the &#115;urround&#115;. The room &#115;ize i&#115; 12x16 and the MLP i&#115; about 9ft from the front wall. &#83;ince it i&#115; a &#115;maller room, I'm looking for &#115;ealed or front ported that can be put on &#115;tand&#115; again&#115;t the wall&#115;. I will need 2 pair&#115;. Height of the &#115;peaker i&#115;n't a concern but I'd like to keep depth at a rea&#115;onable number to maximize room &#115;pace. Finally, I'd like to be flat to 80hz to give me a fuller &#115;ound. Right now, I'm looking at NHT &#83;uperzero, HTD Level 2, Jamo &#83;803, Dayton Audio, Monoprice, Audioengine P4, A&#115;cend MTM200, and Wavecre&#115;t. Thank&#115; in advance!
Probably my computer but yea, that makes no sense.

JBL 8330a's would fit the bill.

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Unfortunately, tho&#115;e look to only be good to 120hz and a&#115; I mentioned in my fir&#115;t po&#115;t, I'm looking for &#115;omething flat to 80hz to cro&#115;&#115;over with my &#115;ub&#115;.
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Unfortunately, tho&#115;e look to only be good to 120hz and a&#115; I mentioned in my fir&#115;t po&#115;t, I'm looking for &#115;omething flat to 80hz to cro&#115;&#115;over with my &#115;ub&#115;

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I just logged in on PC and I apologize!! I had no idea a mobile post would end up such a jumbled mess! I'll have to remember to begin new threads on PC only from now on. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll do my best to clean up this thread for any future readers or comments.
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I just logged in on PC and I apologize!! I had no idea a mobile post would end up such a jumbled mess! I'll have to remember to begin new threads on PC only from now on. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll do my best to clean up this thread for any future readers or comments.
Just noticed you are in Ohio not Ireland!

SVS is in Youngstown as is PSA if you are close enough to visit them.

DIY Sound is in Cincinnati so you have some heavy hitters in your State.

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Test out the WaveCrest ... if you do not like them then try the SuperOne 2.1 ... but the SiperOne is not flat like your AA+ speakers, but you still may like them. With Ascend, you may need to plug the port

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Hello everyone!
I recently moved, and after putting the theater room back together, I've come to the conclusion that it's time to upgrade the surrounds. The Spherex/Mirage design have served me well but in the new room, they are not working out. I'm wanting sealed or front ported, with reasonable physical depth in order to place them as close to the walls as possible to save space. I am also looking for something that's a timbre match to my AA+ LCRs and be able to play flat to an 80hz subwoofer crossover point. I do like to listen at about -10 from reference. My MLP is about 8ft from the LCR.
After doing some research, I still seem drawn to the Wavecrests, Ascends or NHT. The Wavecrests are also on sale for $80 each right now. Hopefully this edit clarifies things, and again, I apologize for the garbled mess.
Maybe ask Dennis in the thread devoted to his speakers??

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Just noticed you are in Ohio not Ireland!

SVS is in Youngstown as is PSA if you are close enough to visit them.

DIY Sound is in Cincinnati so you have some heavy hitters in your State.
Ha yes, I have a high percentage of Irish ancestry that I'm proud of but I was born and raised in the Buckeye State
I did know about PSA being in Ohio, but not the other two. I have been eyeing the PSA subs but that's another thread for another day!

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Test out the WaveCrest ... if you do not like them then try the SuperOne 2.1 ... but the SiperOne is not flat like your AA+ speakers, but you still may like them. With Ascend, you may need to plug the port
I agree, the NHT would not be as flat as the AA+ and that's why I have been very tempted by the Wavecrests. Port noise shouldn't be an issue since they're on surround duty correct? Unless used for 5.1 or 7.1 music at reference
The Ascend MTMs are ported? I thought they were sealed. That would make the decision easier.

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Maybe ask Dennis in the thread devoted to his speakers??
That thought did cross my mind but after seeing everything he's been going through lately, I don't know if I'd have the heart to add anything to his plate at all. Just my correspondence with him while ordering the AA+s, I could tell he was a genuine man with a kind heart and a love for music and pure sound. I hope he is recovering well!

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The ported WaveCrest are still a good option for you

The Ascend MTMs are ported? I thought they were sealed. That would make the decision easier.
The ported WaveCrest are still a good option for you since you will be using them for surrounds

The Ascend HTM 200 are sealed ... I would keep them on the list
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Yep, Ascend 200SE if your budget allows...these are Ascend's most overachieving speaker IMO from a price-to-performance ratio, which is really saying a lot compared to all of their speakers.

Where are you finding the Wavecrest for $80 each? The website has them at normal price:
https://www.wavecrestaudio.com/produ...udspeaker-pair

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