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Emotiva T2s vs. Tekton Enzo XL -- Final Analysis

UPDATED 7/20/19 FINAL ANALYSIS

The Tekton Enzo XLs are $1750 /pr
I purchased the Emotiva T2s for $999/pr but now are on closeout for $799 I believe

One of my reasons last year for buying the T2s are based on this review
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...peaker-review/

Here he compares the T2s vs. Tekton Pendragons which might be slightly better than my Enzo XLs or on the same page. I spoke with the owner Eric who suggested the Enzo XLs would be better for my room.
Initially I was going with the Tekton Lore's, $1k/pr


After two weeks of comparison here are my final thoughts


The Enzo XL's outclass the Emo T2s in every category except for two categories- (Imaging with Tektons a little better not by much BUT the bass with Emo T2s were better) What Im most impressed about with the Tekton's is the extreme clarity and detail this is definitely their strength. The soundstage is very good yet hard to described somewhat controlled. The highs/mids were significantly better than the T2s. I definitely think some of the professional evaluations are quite exaggerated OR their equipment running some of the Tekton models are so powerful and expensive that their sounds are very good but not the same sounds most of us would get unless we spend $10K in upgraded equipment.

Let me give you an example of what I believe is some exaggeration:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...speaker-page-2

"The Enzo XLs gave me 90% of the coherence and joy of my Class A reference speakers, along with at least one additional, deeply gratifying octave of big, live-sounding, pants-flapping, room-filling bass. Unbelievably, they also gave me something like 90% of the accuracy and authority I heard from Wilson Audio's "giant robots" back in the late '80s."

I didn't experience this pants flapping room filling bass...Like I mentioned T2s provided lower and big more powerful low end.

The Enzo XLs do provide exceptional value at $1700/pr. If debating the T2s at $999 vs. Enzo XLs at $1700, I would most definitely recommend the Enzo XLs if you listen to 50% or more music.
When you add the Tekton Center at $800 the total package comes to $2500
Obviously, I would recomment the T2/C2 package for HT more than 50% for under $1400 (full price) to save $1,000 for those on a tight budget. If you have the money to spend the Tekton's are the way to go.

Feel free to ask any other questions. I purposely didn't want to go thru some of the ridiculous exaggerated "oh my god these are best speakers I've ever heard" type statements-- I've kept my excitement down but they are really good speakers.
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Thanks for the impressions.. I'd be interested to see how the Tekton's stack up to more expensive floor standers since Tekton is known for their amazing direct to consumer value.
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nice first impressions .. i will look forward to a more thorough review in a few days
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Wow! Certainly an interesting design, dual 10" woofers and 3 tweeter array.

You DID level-match these when comparing with the T2s, right? (I know you are anything but a speaker newbie, but just had to confirm since their +5db advantage probably pays huge dividends.)

PS. Could you play "Moanin'" by Charles Mingus on both speakers and see how they compare during the horn crescendos? I've found this track is very revealing of any treble excessiveness.

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Wow! Certainly an interesting design, dual 10" woofers and 3 tweeter array.

You DID level-match these when comparing with the T2s, right? (I know you are anything but a speaker newbie, but just had to confirm since their +5db advantage probably pays huge dividends.)

PS. Could you play "Moanin'" by Charles Mingus on both speakers and see how they compare during the horn crescendos? I've found this track is very revealing of any treble excessiveness.
You're so right I level-matched on these because I know the sensitivity factor for Tekton's are much greater

I actually think I have Moanin and used that song with previous shootouts. The thing this is the most revealing is the clarity/detail, everything seems so effortless
Here's the million dollar question
Are the Tektons at $1750/pr two times better when T2s are $799/pr??
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Here's the million dollar question
Are the Tektons at $1750/pr two times better when T2s are $799/pr??
Well, without blind testing that's an entirely subjective judgement of course, but most people would be very happy with a doubling or even tripling of cost yielding a perceived 20% improvement.

I would never say that the $1500 I paid for my BMRs (a 5x increase over the cost of the B1s) gave me a 500% improvement. 20% yes, but again that's not so glaringly obvious when playing the B1s at moderate volumes while crossed over to my subwoofer.
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You DID level-match these when comparing with the T2s, right? (I know you are anything but a speaker newbie, but just had to confirm since their +5db advantage probably pays huge dividends.)
Their specified sensitivity is somewhat optimistic, they were measured 90.6 db
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Their specified sensitivity is somewhat optimistic, they were measured 90.6 db
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements
T2s at 91db I believe

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Well, without blind testing that's an entirely subjective judgement of course, but most people would be very happy with a doubling or even tripling of cost yielding a perceived 20% improvement.

I would never say that the $1500 I paid for my BMRs (a 5x increase over the cost of the B1s) gave me a 500% improvement. 20% yes, but again that's not so glaringly obvious when playing the B1s at moderate volumes while crossed over to my subwoofer.
You'll be the most happy to hear, the Cohesiveness of the C2 with the Tektons was very good. I watched Hurt Locker again and the C2 performed great as usual. I did notice more articulation and emphasis coming from the Tektons vs. The T2s in movies. I did think the C2 would "fall behind" the Tektons but it was very good in the center performance. Not sure there is a better center under $500.
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T2s at 91db I believe
T2 was measured 90.3 db .... but the Tekton stays above 6 ohms
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I did notice more articulation and emphasis coming from the Tektons vs. The T2s in movies.
Out of curiosity, are you comparing the T2 & EXL running full range with the subs off, or on "small" with the subs pitching in?

I'll bet that the second configuration would neutralize much of the EXL's greater sensitivity (perhaps contributing to the perception of being more detailed/dynamic?) due to it being an easier load to drive than the T2.

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Out of curiosity, are you comparing the T2 & EXL running full range with the subs off, or on "small" with the subs pitching in?

I'll bet that the second configuration would neutralize much of the EXL's greater sensitivity (perhaps contributing to the perception of being more detailed/dynamic?) due to it being an easier load to drive than the T2.
I ran them "small" with subs pitching in. While the C2 performed well, there was a noticeable difference in details/clarity/dynamics/ and overall sound umbrella seem to have a much larger diameter with the Tektons.

Would I pay $1700 vs $1,000 for them for HT. I cant answer this question quite yet. I get the center on Monday and want to watch a few more explosive movie excerpts in 10 minute intervals to understand the nature of combining a Tekton center vs. Emo C2 center.

I would lean toward yes right now paying the extra $700 because its not that great of a cost feature vs. benefits right now. If it was $1,000 + difference (when you include the Tekton Pendragon center at $800) like including the center the total package comes to $2500 for LR + center.

Then the question becomes is the $2500 Tekton package worth it vs Emotiva $1300 package (full price) ??? In HT, I would probably say no right now without hearing the Tekton center, only because the C2 performs so good in HT. Emotiva did a fantastic job with this center. You would lack some in overall speaker satisfaction but not $1200 difference if you on a budget. If you have burning money in your pocket and dont really care about price difference and just want the better speakers, then YES Tekton would be the route to go it seems
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Well, without blind testing that's an entirely subjective judgement of course, but most people would be very happy with a doubling or even tripling of cost yielding a perceived 20% improvement.

I would never say that the $1500 I paid for my BMRs (a 5x increase over the cost of the B1s) gave me a 500% improvement. 20% yes, but again that's not so glaringly obvious when playing the B1s at moderate volumes while crossed over to my subwoofer.
i often think about this when i hear/see somebody rave about the latest greatest upgrade choices.. if i'm getting 80% of what they got for $300 , and they spent $1500, well let's just say my thoughts tell me that PT Barnum was dead on..... that doesn't mean I'm right, that's just 1 of my first impulses...
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You'll be the most happy to hear, the Cohesiveness of the C2 with the Tektons was very good. I watched Hurt Locker again and the C2 performed great as usual. I did notice more articulation and emphasis coming from the Tektons vs. The T2s in movies. I did think the C2 would "fall behind" the Tektons but it was very good in the center performance. Not sure there is a better center under $500.
Congrats.

What made you pick these rather than the larger but similarly priced Pendragons or the slightly more expensive Enzo 2.7?

The latter with 8" vs 10" dual woofers but with the more sophisticated tweeter/mid array?

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Congrats.

What made you pick these rather than the larger but similarly priced Pendragons or the slightly more expensive Enzo 2.7?

The latter with 8" vs 10" dual woofers but with the more sophisticated tweeter/mid array?
I asked the owner Eric based on my 75% HT vs 25% music
I was originally going with the 1k Lore's
Had a brief discussion with Eric and he suggested Enzo XLs based on my room, setup, etc...
I do wonder about the Pendragons but maybe the ENzo 2.7 more music friendly vs HT

That's the thing about Tekton so many offerings people get confused often on whats best for them
They literally have I think 6-7 different speakers from 1,500 to 2k
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I asked the owner Eric based on my 75% HT vs 25% music
I was originally going with the 1k Lore's
Had a brief discussion with Eric and he suggested Enzo XLs based on my room, setup, etc...
I do wonder about the Pendragons but maybe the ENzo 2.7 more music friendly vs HT

That's the thing about Tekton so many offerings people get confused often on whats best for them
They literally have I think 6-7 different speakers from 1,500 to 2k
It's not a knock but when I dug into their catalog for the first time I was completely confused myself.

The Enzo 2.7 has their "signature" patented circle of tweeters surrounding a single tweeter so I "assume" there is an "advantage."

But once you've taken the time to go through all the speakers one might conclude it's more "impulse" driven vs "engineering" driven as the speaker descriptions don't give a hint of why speaker A/B/C at the same price point are similar or different.

It's just the painting on of tweeters that seems different.

But if you like them, as many AVS members do, that's all that counts.

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Final analysis in my original post which has been edited
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Pretty funny

I'm on the Tekton group on Facebook. I posted the same final analysis. All the rabid Tekton fans came out assuming that im fabricating the bass results between the T2s and the Enzo XLs

Guess they don't want to hear the truth that some speakers can be good in certain areas or better than a Tekton speakers. To them seems absolutely impossible.
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I have not seen the final analysis yet....lol but hearing it mostly every day.
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Up at the top in my original post

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UPDATED 7/20/19 FINAL ANALYSIS

The Tekton Enzo XLs are $1750 /pr
I purchased the Emotiva T2s for $999/pr but now are on closeout for $799 I believe

One of my reasons last year for buying the T2s are based on this review
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...peaker-review/

Here he compares the T2s vs. Tekton Pendragons which might be slightly better than my Enzo XLs or on the same page. I spoke with the owner Eric who suggested the Enzo XLs would be better for my room.
Initially I was going with the Tekton Lore's, $1k/pr


After two weeks of comparison here are my final thoughts

The Enzo XL's outclass the Emo T2s in every category except for two categories- (Imaging with Tektons a little better not by much BUT the bass with Emo T2s were better) What Im most impressed about with the Tekton's is the extreme clarity and detail this is definitely their strength. The soundstage is very good yet hard to described somewhat controlled. The highs/mids were significantly better than the T2s. I definitely think some of the professional evaluations are quite exaggerated OR their equipment running some of the Tekton models are so powerful and expensive that their sounds are very good but not the same sounds most of us would get unless we spend $10K in upgraded equipment.

Let me give you an example of what I believe is some exaggeration:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...speaker-page-2

"The Enzo XLs gave me 90% of the coherence and joy of my Class A reference speakers, along with at least one additional, deeply gratifying octave of big, live-sounding, pants-flapping, room-filling bass. Unbelievably, they also gave me something like 90% of the accuracy and authority I heard from Wilson Audio's "giant robots" back in the late '80s."

I didn't experience this pants flapping room filling bass...Like I mentioned T2s provided lower and big more powerful low end.

The Enzo XLs do provide exceptional value at $1700/pr. If debating the T2s at $999 vs. Enzo XLs at $1700, I would most definitely recommend the Enzo XLs if you listen to 50% or more music.
When you add the Tekton Center at $800 the total package comes to $2500
Obviously, I would recomment the T2/C2 package for HT more than 50% for under $1400 (full price) to save $1,000 for those on a tight budget. If you have the money to spend the Tekton's are the way to go.

Feel free to ask any other questions. I purposely didn't want to go thru some of the ridiculous exaggerated "oh my god these are best speakers I've ever heard" type statements-- I've kept my excitement down but they are really good speakers.

Set up #1 Speakers LR: Tekton Enzo XL ; Center: Tekton Pendragon Subs (2) 2019 JTR 118HTs
Set up #2 : QA3020i LR, Center: Emotiva C1 Subs (2) HSU VTF2 MK5,
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