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i think you mean the 590s which are on sale, the 580s are full price right now



that jbl 520c sounds very good in my setup (530s, though) crossed at 80 and it regularly goes on sale for $150


See, $150 is fake speaker money (a price range where normally one can only find fundamentally flawed products). Just a crazy good deal for the 520c. And, as someone mentioned above, it's TONS better than the current center.

Cross it at 80Hz or above and it should be fine.


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Thanks all, digesting all that info. I am open to ones not on the list.

Looks somewhat consistent T2 are solid. And the Studio 590s are a great deal at 50% off.

I am open to bookshelfs but felt towers were generally better.

Another brand just showed up on research - Tekton. Looks like only a couple models fit my budget. Any chance Lore Reference compare to the Studio 590s?
Fair warning about the JBL 590's as I own a pair, keep in mind the are BIG speakers. The are shipped freight on a pallet. Don't get me wrong at the sale price they are a great deal and I love mine but they are not small. See the picture, for scale that is a 70" TV.
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I think the Chane A5.5 should be on your list. Really should.


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Closer I get to a decision further away, I am...from Chane:

"The A5.5 is an evolutionary upgrade to the A5
platform and when it arrives in about 90 days, will replace the A5.4.
They appear identical from the outside and they use mostly the same
internal components, except the midrange driver has been refined and the
crossover network recalculated and voiced."
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Thanks, @liffie420 for the pic. I think those are too much for my space.

A5.5 vs T2 is where I am at.

Pricing on A5.5 in case you're curious "It'll be incrementally higher, probably $449-$479 each."
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Thanks, @liffie420 for the pic. I think those are too much for my space.

A5.5 vs T2 is where I am at.

Pricing on A5.5 in case you're curious "It'll be incrementally higher, probably $449-$479 each."
I think you need to add shipping to that too, no?

Chane are a solid bet as are Emotiva on Closeout.
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Closer I get to a decision further away, I am...from Chane:

"The A5.5 is an evolutionary upgrade to the A5
platform and when it arrives in about 90 days, will replace the A5.4.
They appear identical from the outside and they use mostly the same
internal components, except the midrange driver has been refined and the
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I'm a big fan of new products, if you can wait try the new A5.5
At almost the same price vs. a closeout product (Emo T2)
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Thanks, @liffie420 for the pic. I think those are too much for my space.

A5.5 vs T2 is where I am at.

Pricing on A5.5 in case you're curious "It'll be incrementally higher, probably $449-$479 each."
The JBL 580s would or should be your choice. Kind of like pro audio components in a home speaker. They're a steal at their current price. Also JBL's new studio 6 series has a larger center channel for down the road. Should match well. Nobody does horn speakers as well as JBL, IMO of course.
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The room is small 14' x 18' and I think I'm down to 2 options thanks to both @Zorba922 & @mpk1970 .

@Zorba922 thanks for the emphasis on the center, it's made me rethink the whole purchase.

1. 2 x T1 & C2
2. 3 x Chane's A2.4s

Gonna dig in some more tomorrow. I would prefer towers but if it's a bad move won't force it
I just authored a long post which details the Chane A5.4s as L/R and the Chane A2.4 as a center - they are excellent and affordable. The A5.5s sound even better on paper. The Emotiva T2s are supposedly excellent, as I talk about a bit in my thread - @mpk1970 upgraded to them after loving the more affordable Chanes, but even on sale, quite a bit pricier. I don't think you can go wrong with either option!
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The JBL 580s would or should be your choice. Kind of like pro audio components in a home speaker. They're a steal at their current price. Also JBL's new studio 6 series has a larger center channel for down the road. Should match well. Nobody does horn speakers as well as JBL, IMO of course.
Thanks for your thoughts @Kini62 , honestly I question how great the deal is on the Studio 590s since they've been on sale for $500 or less it seems a number of times. That said anyone who calls will probably get offered 10% and if you press you can get 20%.

At the end of the day for me personally, the size is too much for a Queens NY apt. The pic @liffie420 shared was invaluable, next to a 70" TV. I'm also not going to ever get to truly let them breathe with neighbors etc. I think I will appreciate the near 1 foot of space 6" per speaker saved with the A5.5.

I also like the idea that the A5.5 will be a new model since speaker models don't change quickly. As @AJC A mentioned I will need to add shipping costs, the JBLs need tax added. I can't speak to the comments about driving Chane's being easier for the Yamaha that both @pase22 and @Zorba922 mentioned, I just don't know enough but it sounds good

I will probably order the A2.4 Chane sooner since they said "The A2.4 might morph into an A2.5 at some future point but it'll be the smallest model change - if any - we've ever done. The A2.4 was the first design we did in what turned into the A1.5 and A5.5's technical style. An A2.5 might just be new naming to catch up to the other two .5 models." And get the A5.5s when they are released.

A small part of me has not completely left the idea of the T2s and later getting the C2 but size remains a concern, idk. Smaller than the 590s but larger than A5.4s. Somewhere in the middle with close to equal pricing.

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Thanks for your thoughts @Kini62 , honestly I question how great the deal is on the Studio 590s since they've been on sale for $500 or less it seems a number of times. That said anyone who calls will probably get offered 10% and if you press you can get 20%.

At the end of the day for me personally, the size is too much for a Queens NY apt. The pic @liffie420 shared was invaluable, next to a 70" TV. I'm also not going to ever get to truly let them breathe with neighbors etc. I think I will appreciate the near 1 foot of space 6" per speaker saved with the A5.5.

I also like the idea that the A5.5 will be a new model since speaker models don't change quickly. As @AJC A mentioned I will need to add shipping costs, the JBLs need tax added. I can't speak to the comments about driving Chane's being easier for the Yamaha that both @pase22 and @Zorba922 mentioned, I just don't know enough but it sounds good

I will probably order the A2.4 Chane sooner since they said "The A2.4 might morph into an A2.5 at some future point but it'll be the smallest model change - if any - we've ever done. The A2.4 was the first design we did in what turned into the A1.5 and A5.5's technical style. An A2.5 might just be new naming to catch up to the other two .5 models." And get the A5.5s when they are released.

A small part of me has not completely left the idea of the T2s and later getting the C2 but size remains a concern, idk. Smaller than the 590s but larger than A5.4s. Somewhere in the middle with close to equal pricing.

Thank you all, super helpful
Oh for what it's worth in my picture below the TV is the Emotiva C2 LOL, also not a small speaker but I love it. And over on the far right is a Rythmik LVX12 sub.
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Oh for what it's worth in my picture below the TV is the Emotiva C2 LOL, also not a small speaker but I love it. And over on the far right is a Rythmik LVX12 sub.
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Thanks for your thoughts @Kini62 , honestly I question how great the deal is on the Studio 590s since they've been on sale for $500 or less it seems a number of times. That said anyone who calls will probably get offered 10% and if you press you can get 20%.

At the end of the day for me personally, the size is too much for a Queens NY apt. The pic @liffie420 shared was invaluable, next to a 70" TV. I'm also not going to ever get to truly let them breathe with neighbors etc. I think I will appreciate the near 1 foot of space 6" per speaker saved with the A5.5.

I also like the idea that the A5.5 will be a new model since speaker models don't change quickly. As @AJC A mentioned I will need to add shipping costs, the JBLs need tax added. I can't speak to the comments about driving Chane's being easier for the Yamaha that both @pase22 and @Zorba922 mentioned, I just don't know enough but it sounds good

I will probably order the A2.4 Chane sooner since they said "The A2.4 might morph into an A2.5 at some future point but it'll be the smallest model change - if any - we've ever done. The A2.4 was the first design we did in what turned into the A1.5 and A5.5's technical style. An A2.5 might just be new naming to catch up to the other two .5 models." And get the A5.5s when they are released.

A small part of me has not completely left the idea of the T2s and later getting the C2 but size remains a concern, idk. Smaller than the 590s but larger than A5.4s. Somewhere in the middle with close to equal pricing.

Thank you all, super helpful
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It took me two years to get my setup to what it is, so it's definitely not a race to get everything as quickly as possible. The AVR upgrade can wait so can adding surrounds and atmos.

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Thanks, @pase22 . I am opening up a bit more to the concept of smaller bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately, the A1.5's don't seem mentally to be an upgrade to the current infinity speakers (8" drivers) which while ~25 years old, sound good to me.

Perhaps the larger issue I realized last night is my current media console. I've got no space for C2 or even the A2.4. About to start a thread on media console. This was supposed to be an easy bday present but is starting to feel like a much larger project.
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HTD Level Three Towers are $899 - a good option as well.
I 2nd this, they are great speakers for the money.
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Reposting cause I couldn't change the title and the question has changed.

For mixed-use but mostly HT (80%) and some music (20%) which speakers would you recommend under $800, open to ones outside of the list below.

The current ones I'm looking at in no particular order are:
ELAC Debut 2.0 F6.2
Airmotiv T2
Airmotiv T1
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My current set up is:
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I would cross off the ELAC Uni-Fi in favor of these:

Good sound for $600, and the walnut finish may be more pleasing to the eye than others:

http://www.psbspeakers.com/products/...lpha-T20-Tower
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-ZMwTx7...20-Walnut.html

This is the 2019 refresh of the Alpha line and is getting good press.

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Thanks, @pase22 . I am opening up a bit more to the concept of smaller bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately, the A1.5's don't seem mentally to be an upgrade to the current infinity speakers (8" drivers) which while ~25 years old, sound good to me.
I wouldn't get too hung up on woofer size. The Chanes have XBL woofers which are very different animals than normal woofers esp. those from +20 years back. But it's really their tweeter, similar (but not identical) to the AMT on the Emotivas, that will make the biggest difference IMO.
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Thanks, @Zorba922 starting to T2s or A5.5s will be a waste of $$$ in my space though they visually look more impressive.

Maybe should go to your original reco 3 x Chane A2.4.

Should Emotiva C2 and B1s be considered? idk
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Thanks, @pase22 . I am opening up a bit more to the concept of smaller bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately, the A1.5's don't seem mentally to be an upgrade to the current infinity speakers (8" drivers) which while ~25 years old, sound good to me.



Perhaps the larger issue I realized last night is my current media console. I've got no space for C2 or even the A2.4. About to start a thread on media console. This was supposed to be an easy bday present but is starting to feel like a much larger project.


I don’t know if a picture of the console has been posted, but a $30 TV wall mount can solve that problem. Place the center on top of the console where it’s close to your ears, and then the TV can sit on the wall out of the way.
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Thanks, @pase22 . I am opening up a bit more to the concept of smaller bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately, the A1.5's don't seem mentally to be an upgrade to the current infinity speakers (8" drivers) which while ~25 years old, sound good to me.

Perhaps the larger issue I realized last night is my current media console. I've got no space for C2 or even the A2.4. About to start a thread on media console. This was supposed to be an easy bday present but is starting to feel like a much larger project.
Driver size will mostly affect the low end. The smaller drivers will have better midrange clarity and detail at the expense of extra bass. The sub is more than capable of handling the low end. It may actually sound better with a properly placed and setup sub.
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Thanks, @Zorba922 starting to T2s or A5.5s will be a waste of $$$ in my space though they visually look more impressive.

Maybe should go to your original reco 3 x Chane A2.4.

Should Emotiva C2 and B1s be considered? idk
C2 are hard to come by unless buying used; B1s are great as long as you are not a wall-shaking volume freak, and at their closeout prices will save you a pretty penny.

3 x A2.4 would be great of course, but 2 x A1.5 + 1 x A2.4 would be fine too in a small room.

In any case, I really don't think you need to go to the expense of A5.5 (plus the wait) nor the T2 when you already have a good subwoofer in play, and HT not music is your main usage.
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@Transmaniacon I'm in the same place, got a mount reco from a friend a few hours ago. Was trying to avoid mounting the TV but at this point it just makes sense.

Barring availability (I'm willing to wait):
1. Is it important to stay in with the same vendor in general? Would a C2 center and 2 x A2.4 make no sense?
2. C2 & 2 x B1s vs 3 x A2.4?

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1. Is it important to stay in with the same vendor in general? Would a C2 center and 2 x A2.4 make no sense?
2. C2 & 2 x B1s vs 3 x A2.4?
1. No and no.
2. Yes and yes.

Here's my history of my various LCR combinations, matched and not, with my perceived ratings on a scale of 1 to 10:
  • Mordaunt Short bookshelves (forgot model) + Wharfedale WH-10 = 5/10 because the WH-10 is crappy
  • 3 x Ascend 340 = 10/10
  • Wharfedale 10.1 + NHT SuperZero as a center = 6/10 because the SZ was just too small/weak for center duty
  • Wharfedale 10.1 + BIC FH6-LCR = 8/10 the BIC has good clarity but rolls off at 80-90Hz so male voices weren't done that well
  • Wharfedale 10.1 + Emotiva C1 = 10/10
  • Emotiva B1 + C1 = 10/10
  • Q Acoustics 3020 + 3090 center = 6/10 because the 3090 sucked in my room (some folks have had better results with it)
  • QA Concept 20 + 3090 center = 6/10 because the 3090 sucked in my room (some folks have had better results with it)
  • QA C20 + 3020 as a center = 8/10
  • QA C20 + Sony Core bookshelf as a center = 8/10
  • QA C20 + Wharfedale 10.1 as a center = 9/10 the 10.1 produced rich clear voices especially male ones
  • B1 + Chane A2.4 center = 10/10
  • Philharmonic BMR + Emotiva C1 = 10/10
  • Philharmonic BMR + A2.4 = 10/10
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Thanks @Zorba922 , nice to see some combinations with various manufacturers.

After noticing the C2 webpage gone, I reached out to Emotiva:
"The C2 is actually a closeout item and we have sold through all remaining stock of the speaker. We are, however, working on a new version of the speaker called the C2+. The differences with this new speaker will largely be cosmetic...we are also working on a new version of the T1 and T2 speakers as well. We do not have a release date for the new speakers yet, but we are anticipating the speakers later this year."

Might hold off on the purchase for a while.
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After noticing the C2 webpage gone, I reached out to Emotiva:
"The C2 is actually a closeout item and we have sold through all remaining stock of the speaker. We are, however, working on a new version of the speaker called the C2+. The differences with this new speaker will largely be cosmetic...we are also working on a new version of the T1 and T2 speakers as well."
Huh, wonder if they're just going to tone down the Batmobile styling and offer a more conventional looking design. That's what I would do if I were them, makes no sense to lose sales on an excellent price-to-performance product only because of a silly aesthetic decision. Too bad JBL didn't do this with its reputedly excellent Studio 5xx series.

It's actually kind of refreshing to see a speaker company NOT promise you the moon ("super-duper, revolutionary, game-changing upgrades!!!") with a new upcoming version.
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Thanks, @pase22 . I am opening up a bit more to the concept of smaller bookshelf speakers. Unfortunately, the A1.5's don't seem mentally to be an upgrade to the current infinity speakers (8" drivers) which while ~25 years old, sound good to me.
I had a pair of big, old-school, dual 12" woofer speakers that (I thought) sounded excellent. It wasn't until I took them to an audio store to listen to while comparing two different speaker sets (Kef R900 and Paradigm Prestige 85F) that I found the vast differences with modern speakers.
Yes, those two sets are at least double your budget, but don't let smaller drivers fool you - they are more than equal to the task...
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Huh, wonder if they're just going to tone down the Batmobile styling and offer a more conventional looking design. That's what I would do if I were them, makes no sense to lose sales on an excellent price-to-performance product only because of a silly aesthetic decision. Too bad JBL didn't do this with its reputedly excellent Studio 5xx series.
Have you seen the new 6 series? Looks like they have done just that, though the drivers appear to be new.

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Have you seen the new 6 series? Looks like they have done just that, though the drivers appear to be new.
Couldn't find anything on the Emo website...the best Google could do was this, which seems to be an older model that's not too pretty either:
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Couldn't find anything on the Emo website...the best Google could do was this, which seems to be an older model that's not too pretty either:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us
Sorry, I meant the JBL 6 series: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...new-magic.html

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