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Upgrade Advice Requested

Good Evening Everyone,

After getting a new 4k TV, I think it is time to upgrade our sound system to go with it. Currently I have a Home Theater in a box from 2008, Panasonic SA-PT760. I have my devices plugged into the TV with an optical out to the Panasonic.

After doing a little bit of research on AVRs, LRCs, and subwoofers, this is what I was thinking of upgrading to with a budget of about $1500 (ish):

AVR -- Denon AVR-X1500H

LR -- Q Acoustics 3020i Bookshelf (would like to mount on the wall next to the TV)

C -- Q Acoustics 3090ci (Mounted under TV)

Sub -- SVS PB-1000

also thinking of a New 4k player - Sony UBP-X700

Living room is approx 13'x13'. I would eventually like to get rear speakers for the surround as well, but figured a 3.1 setup with a new system would be much better than the Panasonic 5.1 I have currently. Would another set of the Q Acoustics 3020i also work for the rears?

I am not heart set on any of these components, and would consider others. This is just something I put together after looking around various sites, and would like some input before making the purchase. Any help or input you guys and gals could provide would be greatly appreciated!
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For theater, I’d consider something other than Q Acoustics as that center is a little weak compared to others. Small woofers don’t do to well.

I’d check out Ascend Acoustics, Chane, or Emotiva (on closeout currently so good deals to be had).

As for the sub, there are slightly better subs out there for the money. There’s the Rythmik LV12F for $560, HSU VTF2 MK5 for around $560, and the Monolith 10” sub can be found for $400 when on sale from EBay. The Monolith 12” can be found for $600.

But the SVS is a better choice than most.

I’d consider the X3500H instead of the X1500H because it has a little more wattage but a better version of Audessey room EQ and can EQ two individual subs. That can be found on sale for $500.

The X1500 is a fine pick also.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Another option is HTD Level Three --- and they have a nice size center channel ... and can be wall-mounted .... with the Level Two for surrounds

Front L/R
https://www.htd.com/Level-THREE-Bookshelf-Speakers

Center
https://www.htd.com/Level-THREE-Center-Channel-Speaker

Surounds
https://www.htd.com/Level-TWO-Bookshelf-Speakers

But to save some money -- the JBL Stage 120
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Stage-Bla...gateway&sr=8-8

HSU VTF2 would be a nice option

But the QA speakers are not bad, and are decent/nice for the price ... however the bread box look of the 3020i can look strange mounted on the wall ... and the SVS sub will not be bad

I have no real preference on the receiver, but the 2400 is a good price
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congrats on the new display.

you mention wall mounting the speakers. you may want to consider an "on wall" speaker for a more aesthetic ( flush) look.

HTD.com Versa HTS1 ( 349 each). could do well. this may push up the budget a bit, but not by that much.

Axiom audio would be another on wall to consider ( M2 (490/pr) or M3(540) for L/R) and VP100 center (349)

if you go to A4L, the canton 417 LCR (new 220) could do well.

Great recs on the receiver and subs from the previous post.

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For theater, I’d consider something other than Q Acoustics as that center is a little weak compared to others. Small woofers don’t do to well.
Yup! Subwoofers just handle the LOWEST bass. Upper and middle bass still goes to the center and satellites, and twin 4" are definitely on the small side. Could you fit another satellite, matching the L/R speakers?
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Thank you guys for all the input. To be honest, before your posts I had not even seen the on-wall speakers. I was just thinking bookshelf speakers mounted to the wall. The on-wall would look much nicer, for sure!
Also, I had looked at the Denon AVR-X2400H before as well, but thought newer year, newer model would be better. And the 3500 might be a bit out of my range.

So, with that in mind.... does this look better?
AVR - Denon AVR-X2400H
LR - Axiom M3
C - Axiom VP100
Sub - Monolith 10"

This would put me a little over my budget (about $200 without the 4k player), but I may be able to swing it. Also, would have me at a 3.1 setup that can expand later. I assume even a 3.1 setup like this would sound great, but not too overpowering, in an approximately 200 sq ft room?
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Thank you guys for all the input. To be honest, before your posts I had not even seen the on-wall speakers. I was just thinking bookshelf speakers mounted to the wall. The on-wall would look much nicer, for sure!
Also, I had looked at the Denon AVR-X2400H before as well, but thought newer year, newer model would be better. And the 3500 might be a bit out of my range.

So, with that in mind.... does this look better?
AVR - Denon AVR-X2400H
LR - Axiom M3
C - Axiom VP100
Sub - Monolith 10"

This would put me a little over my budget (about $200 without the 4k player), but I may be able to swing it. Also, would have me at a 3.1 setup that can expand later. I assume even a 3.1 setup like this would sound great, but not too overpowering, in an approximately 200 sq ft room?
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It is hard to find measurements (or reviews) on the Axioms, so it's hard to estimate what they sound like. Some reports of forward/bright sound. But the form factor is certainly nice and the design seems well done, with down-firing ports.

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Are in-wall an option? http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hiw-1.html

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some bookshelves are really deep nowadays...if ordering sight unseen, check dimensions.

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Lots of on-wall options to choose from, with a similar form factor. Def Tech, Paradigm, Golden Ear, Revel, PSB, Martin Logan, and KEF, to name just a few of the contenders.

It's a VIRTUAL channel unless stated otherwise.

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Good Evening Everyone,

After getting a new 4k TV, I think it is time to upgrade our sound system to go with it. Currently I have a Home Theater in a box from 2008, Panasonic SA-PT760. I have my devices plugged into the TV with an optical out to the Panasonic.

After doing a little bit of research on AVRs, LRCs, and subwoofers, this is what I was thinking of upgrading to with a budget of about $1500 (ish):

AVR -- Denon AVR-X1500H

LR -- Q Acoustics 3020i Bookshelf (would like to mount on the wall next to the TV)

C -- Q Acoustics 3090ci (Mounted under TV)

Sub -- SVS PB-1000

also thinking of a New 4k player - Sony UBP-X700

Living room is approx 13'x13'. I would eventually like to get rear speakers for the surround as well, but figured a 3.1 setup with a new system would be much better than the Panasonic 5.1 I have currently. Would another set of the Q Acoustics 3020i also work for the rears?

I am not heart set on any of these components, and would consider others. This is just something I put together after looking around various sites, and would like some input before making the purchase. Any help or input you guys and gals could provide would be greatly appreciated!
I'll have to disagree with my friend Russdawg that the Q Acoustics setup you are considering would be severely let down by the center due to dual 4" woofers.

The prior iteration of that center measured as good as any out there when Sound & Vision tested it and they didn't point to it as a weak point and neither have any of the other pro reviews or owners on AVS for that matter.

In my secondary room I use a dual 4" Motion 8 center in 3.2 and it more than keeps up with the LX16s and my room is 35x15.

In your small room I'd actually suggest the SVS SB1000.

Good choice on receiver.

That being said the Axiom setup looks nice as well.

Note the difference in size between the two subs you mentioned and the SB1000.

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

500watts =15w19h20d= 72 lbs 10" [20hz] $500 MONOPRICE MONOLITH THX 10"

300watts =13w14h16d= 27 lbs 12" [23hz] $499 SVS SB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision)
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For $500, consider the Rythmik L12. In a room that small, the recommendation of a sealed sub is a good one, as smaller rooms artificially reinforce lower bass frequencies. Sealed subs roll off these frequencies, so they often have a more even response in smaller rooms vs ported, which tend to sound boomy in these situations.

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I'll have to disagree with my friend Russdawg that the Q Acoustics setup you are considering would be severely let down by the center due to dual 4" woofers.



The prior iteration of that center measured as good as any out there when Sound & Vision tested it and they didn't point to it as a weak point and neither have any of the other pro reviews or owners on AVS for that matter.



Didn’t say he’d be severely let down, but at almost ~13 feet back from the center, that is quite the distance!

But seeing you’ve heard the Concept 20’s I’ll heed here. Not to mention there’s plenty of people who swear up and down that the JBL’s 520c center also with 4” woofers performs fine with the 590’s.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Good Evening Everyone,

After getting a new 4k TV, I think it is time to upgrade our sound system to go with it. Currently I have a Home Theater in a box from 2008, Panasonic SA-PT760. I have my devices plugged into the TV with an optical out to the Panasonic.

After doing a little bit of research on AVRs, LRCs, and subwoofers, this is what I was thinking of upgrading to with a budget of about $1500 (ish):

AVR -- Denon AVR-X1500H

LR -- Q Acoustics 3020i Bookshelf (would like to mount on the wall next to the TV)

C -- Q Acoustics 3090ci (Mounted under TV)

Sub -- SVS PB-1000

also thinking of a New 4k player - Sony UBP-X700

Living room is approx 13'x13'. I would eventually like to get rear speakers for the surround as well, but figured a 3.1 setup with a new system would be much better than the Panasonic 5.1 I have currently. Would another set of the Q Acoustics 3020i also work for the rears?

I am not heart set on any of these components, and would consider others. This is just something I put together after looking around various sites, and would like some input before making the purchase. Any help or input you guys and gals could provide would be greatly appreciated!

The Q Acoustics speakers are really nice and currently on sale, so I think those would be a good option. I have the 3020i and 3090Ci and have no complaints performance wise. Your room is small and square, so a single sub may struggle. Small, square rooms create a lot of room modes and usually two subs are recommended in rooms such as yours to help tame the frequency response.


EDIT: BTW, forgot to mention if you do go with the QA speakers you can use code SAVE5 to get an additional 5% off the current sale prices.
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Thank you guys for all the input. To be honest, before your posts I had not even seen the on-wall speakers. I was just thinking bookshelf speakers mounted to the wall. The on-wall would look much nicer, for sure!
Also, I had looked at the Denon AVR-X2400H before as well, but thought newer year, newer model would be better. And the 3500 might be a bit out of my range.

So, with that in mind.... does this look better?
AVR - Denon AVR-X2400H
LR - Axiom M3
C - Axiom VP100
Sub - Monolith 10"

This would put me a little over my budget (about $200 without the 4k player), but I may be able to swing it. Also, would have me at a 3.1 setup that can expand later. I assume even a 3.1 setup like this would sound great, but not too overpowering, in an approximately 200 sq ft room?
You can get the best of both worlds with a SEALED CABINET speaker that you mount flush (or nearly flush) to your wall. The Axiom M3 and QA speakers discussed in this thread are all rear ported and the QA 3020 in particular (which is otherwise a good speaker) is quite bulky and IMO would look rather odd, like a country mailbox or breadbox sticking out of your wall. Axiom in general is quite overpriced relative to other internet-direct companies, not good bang for the buck at all IMO.

I'd recommend the ($300/pr) Ascend 200SE for its DUAL 4" woofers and impeccable neutrality, or the NHT SuperOne for its single 6.5" woofer that gives you nice full sound even without a subwoofer---and on sale at Amazon for just $102 apiece, is the best value by far. You could get 3 of either the SuperOne or the Ascend for the ideal uniform front stage, heck you could get them all around if you want perfect uniformity in all 5 speakers. The NHT SuperZero could also be considered for surround duty, only $65 each on Amazon and even more compact. I have no idea how/why Amazon is able to sell NHT speakers so deeply discounted compared to NHT direct...

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...00/htm200.html

https://www.nhthifi.com/products/10658-nht-superone-2-1
https://www.amazon.com/NHT-SuperOne-.../dp/B00LJX4HCY
https://www.amazon.com/NHT-SuperZero.../dp/B00CKNOYWK

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I think the Ascend HTM-200 SE would be great for flushing mounting to a wall due to their sealed, slim design.

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