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dolby atmos with ceiling speakers alone?

can i get dolby atmos experience with ceiling speakers alone and the denon avr 6500h?
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Alone as in, no other speakers at all?

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dolby atmos

alone meaning 5.1 ceiling speakers only
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What do you mean by "the Atmos experience"?

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can i get dolby atmos experience with ceiling speakers alone and the denon avr 6500h?
No. You need 5 or 7 speakers at ~ ear level. That forms the base level. Then you add either 2, 4, or 6 speakers in or on the ceiling to form the Atmos level. The 6500 can process and amplify up to eleven channels combined, from either level.

Do educate yourself on Atmos (speaker positioning is important to get the intended experience):

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/speaker-...des/index.html
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It's a VIRTUAL channel unless stated otherwise.

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alone meaning 5.1 ceiling speakers only
That would be "bad" 5.1, not Atmos.

My brother has 5.1 with all but the center and sub being in the ceiling and he says it sounds fine to him after years with a tower based 5.1 system.

I have not heard it though but I'll take his word for it being "ok."

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can i add 2 tower fronts and make it a 7.1? and keep my 3 ceiling fronts and 2 ceiking backs?
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dolby atmos with ceiling speakers alone?

You could do a 5.1.2, yes.

Of course it would be a little crude as the center channel signal is now at the same height as the overhead effects.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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can i add 2 tower fronts and make it a 7.1? and keep my 3 ceiling fronts and 2 ceiking backs?

That would just not be right. Your 3 front in-ceilings would not be properly located, and to have such a great separation in height between the would-be center channel and the two ear level towers - funky. Your two backs are probably located to serve in 5.1 duty assuming, so they'd be in the wrong place as well anyway. I would not try to adapt an in-ceiling 5.1 to any kind of Atmos arrangement as is.

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but my 5.1 are already installed in ceiling. I need to make use of it
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Your question was if you can get a Dolby Atmos Experience with in-ceiling speakers. You can't, unless you use the in-ceiling speakers AS Atmos speakers. Otherwise, all you can do is to just hook them up and see how they sound. If it's like most all-in-ceiling solutions, it will be underwhelming. In any case, you will need at least one subwoofer, as those ceiling speakers will not have much bass impact.

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This may be the wrong suggestion, but you're almost better off using the pre-outs on your X6500H to hook up a second AVR/amp to drive the ceiling speakers to use AS your Atmos speakers (anyone with more knowledge, please correct me if I am horribly wrong) then get a proper set of bookshelf/tower/center speakers as your front stage/surrounds.

That's the only way (in my novice mind) you can get any kind of legitimate Atmos experience with what you have. You can't get Dolby Atmos with just the ceiling speakers alone.

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please suggest an amp on the preouts that I can put these speakers on. Yes I will add a sub. Please suggest one too.

how do I hook up an external amp to the preout?
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please suggest an amp on the preouts that I can put these speakers on. Yes I will add a sub. Please suggest one too.

how do I hook up an external amp to the preout?
are you saying the 4500/6500 is not powerful enough for the ceiling speakers?
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That would just not be right. Your 3 front in-ceilings would not be properly located, and to have such a great separation in height between the would-be center channel and the two ear level towers - funky. Your two backs are probably located to serve in 5.1 duty assuming, so they'd be in the wrong place as well anyway. I would not try to adapt an in-ceiling 5.1 to any kind of Atmos arrangement as is.
the backs 5.1 are dual tweeters. not sure that matters much.
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please suggest an amp on the preouts that I can put these speakers on. Yes I will add a sub. Please suggest one too.

how do I hook up an external amp to the preout?
Other people with more experience can offer that information.

The X6500 is more than enough on its own to drive your ceiling speakers if you were wanting to *only* use the ones that were designated as Front Left/Right (connected to the Height 1 slots on the AVR) and Surround Left/Right (connected to the Height 2 slots on the AVR) for a 5.1.4 set up, but you would still need to get a proper tower/bookshelf/subwoofer speaker stage in order to achieve that Atmos effect (again, in my novice experience...) you're looking for. Unless I am mistaken, that would mean it would render your in-ceiling center speaker (assuming your 5.1 set up is all in-ceiling?) useless. I think I was thinking more if you were wanting to use all of your in-ceiling speakers, which might require a second amp/AVR, but I have no idea whether it would be necessary because the X6500H can go up to 11.2. I will gladly stand corrected if I am horribly wrong.

Edit: Ultimately I would heed the advice of better, more experienced people in this forum over what I've said.

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are you saying the 4500/6500 is not powerful enough for the ceiling speakers?
You could try and use 4 of the in ceiling speakers as Atmos speakers. Just don't use the one currently designated as the center.

Get a proper 5 channel setup- tower/bookshelf/surrounds and a sub or two. That AVR has plenty of power to drive most any consumer grade 9 or 11 channel setup.

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the backs 5.1 are dual tweeters. not sure that matters much.

It doesn't unfortunately help out your situation. RayGuy already mentioned - but just to reiterate - be sure and study up on Atmos and how best to achieve good results on the Dolby website!

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