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As it looks now (plans have changed) I will be doing my HT in the attic. Much smaller space, width is about 12'6". Crosssection: https://imgur.com/a/ETlfBEj

I don't know how this impacts the sub selection, but would you still adivise 2x PB-2000 over 1x PB-4000 in this room ?
I'd start with one PB2000, add a second if needed. Attic = empty space under floor = huge bass suck-out.

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Ahh crap, didn't realize that...

Will definitely need more than 1x PB-2000 most probably. So better 2x PB-2000 than 1x PB-4000 ? PB-4000 looks so nice, which alone is worth the price difference to me but ofc if most agree that 2x PB-2000 will give a better overall performance, then I will go with 2x PB-2000.
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Not to through things off track, but a single PB 4000 is $1900 new. Two PB 2000 about $1600.


For $1800 you could be looking at two VTF-15H MK2 from Hsu.


These are comparable in performance to the PB 4000, but you'll get the benefit of duals on top. No compromising this way.

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For $1800 you could be looking at two VTF-15H MK2 from Hsu. These are comparable in performance to the PB 4000, but you'll get the benefit of duals on top. No compromising this way.
OP is in Europe, Hsu not available there.

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Ahh crap, didn't realize that... Will definitely need more than 1x PB-2000 most probably. So better 2x PB-2000 than 1x PB-4000 ? PB-4000 looks so nice, which alone is worth the price difference to me but ofc if most agree that 2x PB-2000 will give a better overall performance, then I will go with 2x PB-2000.
Of course, the PB4000 like all of SVS's top-end subs is sold mainly on looks and electronic bells and whistles...the PB1000 and 2000 are more functional, utilitarian devices. I would start with a single PB2000, very easy to add a second later unless your dealer is offering you a great dual sub discount.
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Dang. I missed that he's in the EU. I know options are more limited there for sub's.

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Not to through things off track, but a single PB 4000 is $1900 new. Two PB 2000 about $1600.


For $1800 you could be looking at two VTF-15H MK2 from Hsu.


These are comparable in performance to the PB 4000, but you'll get the benefit of duals on top. No compromising this way.
Didn't consider this because as mentioned above, I read several times that these are not available in Europe. PB-4000 is $2900 here by the way, and two PB-2000 $2000.
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^ wow. Super pricey.


With the cost factored in, I'd go with dual PB2000. You could always add a third if needed for the same price as one pb4000.

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Yeh I think i'll do that. Just wanted to have it re-confirmed that dual PB-2000 is still the way to go, over 1x PB-4000.
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For the Atmos speakers, I'm considering now these Klipsch: https://www.klipsch.com/products/cs-16c-ii

Can't find any review on those, but would the 35 Watt power be enough for Atmos speakers ?
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For the Atmos speakers, I'm considering now these Klipsch: https://www.klipsch.com/products/cs-16c-ii

Can't find any review on those, but would the 35 Watt power be enough for Atmos speakers ?
Should work just fine: Power Handling 40W RMS / 160W Peak
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Next question for my followers: the side walls (roof) in the attic are ofc under 45° instead of perfectly vertical. Would you just build in the atmos speakers into the drywall and let them fire under 45° or would you build some sort of box to have the speakers fire perfectly downwards ?
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Next question for my followers: the side walls (roof) in the attic are ofc under 45° instead of perfectly vertical. Would you just build in the atmos speakers into the drywall and let them fire under 45° or would you build some sort of box to have the speakers fire perfectly downwards ?
An in ceiling speaker like this where the tweeter and mid woofers are angled might be a better choice.

https://rslspeakers.com/products/c34...iling-speaker/

Or a pendant speaker.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-eidq9g...hoC2ewQAvD_BwE

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Pendant speakers are a no-go bc of how they look.

Will search for some pivoting in-ceiling speakers that are affordable, can't pay $300 each now like the Klipsch CDT-5800-C II from Youthman.
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I'm thinking of positioning the surrounds just behind the wall, with the front side sticking through, to save some walking space in the theater room. Do you think that this will affect the sound quality bc the backside isn't really in the room anymore ?

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Guys,

since I'm going with an AT screen now, I'm reading that using an identical tower as center speaker would acoustically be better than the center speaker model. Would you agree ? If so, I will replace the RP-504C in my list with a 3rd RP-6000F tower.

Would you also say that the RP-6000F's are sufficiently strong for this room size, or would you opt for the RP-8000F ? 8000F looks better (aspect ratio), but is a quite a bit more expensive here.

**edit** will also go with 4x Micca M-8C as in-ceiling Atmos speakers.
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Guys,

since I'm going with an AT screen now, I'm reading that using an identical tower as center speaker would acoustically be better than the center speaker model. Would you agree ? If so, I will replace the RP-504C in my list with a 3rd RP-6000F tower.

Would you also say that the RP-6000F's are sufficiently strong for this room size, or would you opt for the RP-8000F ? 8000F looks better (aspect ratio), but is a quite a bit more expensive here.

**edit** will also go with 4x Micca M-8C as in-ceiling Atmos speakers.
Yes, a third RP6000F would be ideal and as you are sitting less than 14 feet away there is very little chance that going to the larger towers would make any difference in terms of capability with subs in the mix.

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That's a very complete answer, thanks !
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Any opinion on the surrounds being placed "behind" the wall with their front sticking through ? Will this cancel the effect of the back outlet port in the speaker ?
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Any opinion on the surrounds being placed "behind" the wall with their front sticking through ? Will this cancel the effect of the back outlet port in the speaker ?
It is unusual but using subs crossed over at 80-100hz the back port doesn't actually come into effect like it would when running full range with no sub.

Another plus for the RP6000F, at least for me, compared to the RP80000F is the tweeter height.

The tweeters are about 38" high and 41" high resectively and unless you have an unusually tall couch 38" might be closer to your seated ear height.
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It just keeps raining questions here

For the in-ceiling speakers: as you can see I'm in the attic with non-horizontal ceiling (skew?). Dolby recommends to have the height speakers in-line with the fronts. In my case that means that the "height" speakers are only just above listening position. So I need to bring them more inside to be able to put them higher. Do you know of a guideline about where to place them ? The higher I go, the more inside they will be, so there must be a sweet spot somewhere.


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