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In Wall L-R + Either In Wall Center or Shelf Center

So in our basement we are looking at converting a closet into an in wall media rack, above which the TV will hang. My wife prefers in wall speakers for the left and right speakers.

As to the center.... because the center will be below the TV where the closet used to be, we could use either an in wall center or build a shelf and house a center speaker on the shelf.

Haven't decided on budget yet, but let's assume we spend $500-$700 on the center. Would we get best bang for buck by buying in wall or a center for a built-in shelf below the TV? I suppose the other issue is that the L-C-R should match, and don't know whether a lot of manufacturers sell in walls that acoustically matching centers that aren't in walls. Thanks!
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Are on walls an option? HTD Versa's are very nice and can be customized to match decor.

https://www.htd.com/VERSA-HTS1
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Haven't decided on budget yet, but let's assume we spend $500-$700 on the center. Would we get best bang for buck by buying in wall or a center for a built-in shelf below the TV? I suppose the other issue is that the L-C-R should match, and don't know whether a lot of manufacturers sell in walls that acoustically matching centers that aren't in walls. Thanks!
If you can do a built-in shelf below the TV, definitely the better option...go with a sealed cabinet or front-ported center speaker and you're all set. The L/R can be sealed or front ported bookshelf speakers.

For example:
https://www.nhthifi.com/products/165...enter-speakers

Free return shipping on this one:
https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg2...enter-channel/

If you want 3 identical fronts, very compact and easily wall mountable but playing much bigger than their size:
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...00/htm200.html

In-walls are an option of absolute last resort---basically, if your spouse is holding a gun to your head.

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Thanks to both of you. Yes, on walls are an option. Because for the center we have the built-in shelf we can easily do below the TV, my wife definitely prefers to have the sides be in wall. But it isn't non-negotiable.
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Thanks to both of you. Yes, on walls are an option. Because for the center we have the built-in shelf we can easily do below the TV, my wife definitely prefers to have the sides be in wall. But it isn't non-negotiable.
NHT unlike Ascend and RSL does make in-walls that you could use with their center:
https://www.nhthifi.com/products?cat...-wall-speakers

But if your wife can be coaxed into accepting on-walls for the L/R, the Ascend 200SE x 3 identical front stage would likely deliver the best price to performance ratio by far, leaving you with more money to put into a quality sub which any chosen setup would require no matter what.

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Thanks to both of you. Yes, on walls are an option. Because for the center we have the built-in shelf we can easily do below the TV, my wife definitely prefers to have the sides be in wall. But it isn't non-negotiable.
You said your budget was 500 to 700 dollars for the center ... for $50 over and some higher-end signature sound, look at the Revel Concerta2 C25 ... but using another S16 as a center would be cheaper and work real good
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265C25...oss-Black.html

For Left and Right on-wall -- the Concerta2 S16 .... sold each
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265S16...oss-Black.html

Also sold in White
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265C25...oss-White.html

Left and Right
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265S16...oss-White.html

Lower-end in-wall

Revel 253 for Left, Center, and Right channels
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265W253L/Revel-W253L.html

the W263
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265W263/Revel-W263.html

Higher-end in-wall

Revel W553
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265W55...vel-W553L.html

Revel W763
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_265W763/Revel-W763.html

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For Revels, JBLs, and a few others, you can see Spinorama data here:
https://speakerdata2034.blogspot.com/
I have a center M16 and in wall W763s for similar reasons as the OP. (Note, I had space behind the speaker, so the position of the port is not a large issue.) Based on the Spinoramas, the M105 may have been a better choice than the M16 (with a subwoofer in play). Speakers designed as horizontal center speakers have a harder time, until you get to the really expensive ones (IE compare M105 and M16 to C25 and C205). If you have the vertical space for a vertical regular speaker in the center, you can get more bang for the buck. Still try to get the tweeter relatively close to the listener in the vertical direction, and angle it as needed to aim at the listener's ears. Also, don't hide the speaker deeply in a cabinet.
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You want to use all in-wall speakers.

- you get a 6dB boost at low frequencies, reducing stress on the woofer
- frequency response is much smoother.
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...peaker-Designs

Scroll down a little until you find the charts from Floyd Toole's book.
- the first pair show why you want an in-wall speaker that's designed as an in-wall speaker. It won't have the LF hump.
- the rest of the charts show why you never want to put box speakers on a wall, then on a shelf, then in a cubby.

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You definitely want identical speakers across the front (and back for that matter). Triad is the only company that manufactures the same speaker in multiple mounting formats. You can get their bronze LCR (which is dead center of your price range) in both in-wall and in-room versions, as well as on-wall and in-ceiling, which might or might not come in handy for Atmos.
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Great example. Plus Triad will also paint match the speakers or grills to the color on your wall.

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check out axiom audio. they have in walls with integrated back boxes. - lots of models to chose from, although several are way above your budget. they also make "in cabinet" versions.

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This is what 3 identical on-wall speakers looks like...the ones in the picture are quite big (Jamo D600) so imagine the much, much smaller Ascend 200SE or RSL CG34 instead. Will save you the considerable expense and hassle of drilling into the walls, running cables through the walls, and leaving the speakers behind when you move, too. Not to mention that in-walls are a huge pain in the @ss to return in case you find that the ones you've gone through all that hassle and expense for actually aren't your cup of tea.

Take with a truckload of salt all the ivory-tower talk about "ideal" requirements of having identical speakers all around, expensive in-walls with well-designed backboxes (most in-walls don't have back-boxes, the one which do can indeed sound very decent but will cost you a pretty penny compared to similar performance from an on-wall or standmount speaker)...this hobby (or rather this INDUSTRY) encourages OCD "requirements" and fixation on academic specs, but life in the real world is a different matter.

People do affordable on-wall speakers, use different manufacturer rear surrounds, and otherwise disregard all the ivory-tower gibberish all the time and the sky has never fallen nor have their eardrums exploded.
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