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I don't bring my center forward at all. Do you mean I'll have reflections if I bring my center forward?



HT in 5.1 is great and so is multi-channel music. The two 5" woofers of the s30 sound better than the single woofer of the s15 for music. That's the whole reason I was thinking of getting the s55 for front L/R.

No, by leaving your center far back on the table, you leave a whole surface for sound to reflect off. Generally I like to hear my speakers and not the surface of a table

Bring in forward whenever you are watching a movie or tv or listening to music and move it back when you aren’t. It should be a clear improvement.
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I don't bring my center forward at all. Do you mean I'll have reflections if I bring my center forward?

HT in 5.1 is great and so is multi-channel music. The two 5" woofers of the s30 sound better than the single woofer of the s15 for music. That's the whole reason I was thinking of getting the s55 for front L/R.
You know, the S35 description says this: "Polk's Signature S35 was designed for maximum versatility, with horizontal or vertical placement options. It performs equally well as a left, right, or center channel speaker. "

That tells me the tweeter has equal vertical and horizontal dispersion, (same tweeter as in S30) so you could get two more S30s and use them vertically as left and right.

And, yes, pull the center forward so the front edge matches the edge of the cabinet for the reasons Russ mentioned.
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My room. How's that for WAF? No wires visible!
You really need to pull those away from the wall, even if it's just 5-6 inches. You'll also want to pull that center all the way forward.

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That tells me the tweeter has equal vertical and horizontal dispersion, (same tweeter as in S30) so you could get two more S30s and use them vertically as left and right.
Ah thought exactly that last night but the s30 is 20" long and will wobble off the stands. The stands have no hardware to hold a speaker down.

I wonder if the s30 sounds good in multichannel because I have it at +3dB. Other speakers are set 0dB. (I set the center to +3dB hoping to get better/louder dialogue in HT)
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Got it, will do. I thought it would reinforce male voices if pushed back. So that's what's causing that high frequency noise in my music? Music has a background whoosh/swish noise added to it. Wonder if our beautiful and wide coffee table is causing that.

No, the whooshing is most likely port noise caused by the speakers being close to the wall or the power port design.

But it should bring down brightness and clear up the sound a bit.
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No, the whooshing is most likely port noise caused by the speakers being close to the wall or the power port design. But it should bring down brightness and clear up the sound a bit.
Is there a type of foam I could stuff into the powerport?
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Is there a type of foam I could stuff into the powerport?

That would likely cause more whooshing or if you managed to seal the port completely would make it a sealed speaker reducing bass substantially.
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Is there a type of foam I could stuff into the powerport?
Don't do that. Simplest, cheapest solution would be to just move the speaker away from the wall a bit.
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No, the whooshing is most likely port noise caused by the speakers being close to the wall or the power port design.
Is it really the power port? I'm talking about high freq noise "sssssss" noise that makes female vocals or lead guitar unclear. I'm not talking about muddy bass.
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Is it really the power port? I'm talking about high freq noise "sssssss" noise that makes female vocals or lead guitar unclear. I'm not talking about muddy bass.

Uh, a whooshing sound? From the tweeter?

From my experience a whoosh is a very audible movement of wind.

Ssssss is over exaggerated treble, sibilance to be exact. It means the speaker is overly bright/harsh.
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Uh, a whooshing sound? From the tweeter?

From my experience a whoosh is a very audible movement of wind.

Ssssss is over exaggerated treble, sibilance to be exact. It means the speaker is overly bright/harsh.
My bad. I did not mean audible movement of wind. By whooshing, I meant "Ssssss" (exaggerated treble). Many reviewers said they found sibilance till 100 hrs or even 3 weeks of playing.

On both s50 and s15, I found the highs too piercing. I bought the s10 used and it does not have piercing highs so I thought its broken in. (The s30 center had the sssss noise too but has much less of it now, maybe because we play it the most?)

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My bad. I did not mean audible movement of wind. By whooshing, I meant "Ssssss" (exaggerated treble). Many reviewers said they found sibilance till 100 hrs or even 3 weeks of playing.

Sibilance will never go away. It’s just how the speaker will perform. Only your ears get used to the sound. That is “break in”.
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Sibilance will never go away. It’s just how the speaker will perform. Only your ears get used to the sound. That is “break in”.
That's what pase22 said earlier and advised me to change the speakers. I desisted since (1) the return window on the s30 and s10 had passed, (2) s15 look really good and match the room and other speakers, (3) reviews are very good on s15. The return date for s15 is this Sat. I could (a) replace just the front L/R or (b) wait to see if s15 improves with break in and then replace in 2-3 years. The s10 and s30 have no sibilance.

For warm front L/R bookshelves with 5" woofers, would you suggest the Martin Logans, Q Acosutics, KEF ??
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That's what pase22 said earlier and advised me to change the speakers. I desisted since (1) the return window on the s30 and s10 had passed, (2) s15 look really good and match the room and other speakers, (3) reviews are very good on s15. The return date for s15 is this Sat. I could (a) replace just the front L/R or (b) wait to see if s15 improves with break in and then replace in 2-3 years. The s10 and s30 have no sibilance.



For warm front L/R bookshelves with 5" woofers, would you suggest the Martin Logans, Q Acosutics, KEF ??

If you would like to keep the S15’s, some simple eq will fix it, a slight notch at 2-3khz will remove most sibilance.

I wouldn’t mix, I prefer to have all matching brands in a system, but the LX16’s would definitely be sibilance free, I think @gajCA can agree.

The Q Acoustics should be warm, not as warm as the Martin Logan’s, and the Kef will be sibilance free also, though not warm until you get to the higher R line. The Q line will be neutral, a little forward. I’d put them somewhere in between the Q Acoustics and Polk S15’s.
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How to do this? The Sony STR-DN1080 has only two knobs (bass and treble). There appear to be no freq settings.
That would be in the settings menu of the AVR.
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How to do this? The Sony STR-DN1080 has only two knobs (bass and treble). There appear to be no freq settings.

Ah then no worries.

You’d need an external EQ then like a MiniDSP.

I wouldn’t worry about it and just wait till you can upgrade.
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Ah then no worries.

You’d need an external EQ then like a MiniDSP.

I wouldn’t worry about it and just wait till you can upgrade.
The AVR has an auto calibration function, so it should have an option for manual EQ.
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The AVR has an auto calibration function, so it should have an option for manual EQ.

Oh. No idea. Never used a Sony, lol!
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Thanks but nope, only bass and treble in the settings menu related to frequency. The other EQ options in the settings menu are Flat, Engineered, None, Auto, Night, Dynamic, Compressed. All sound the same. There's one option Music but only works with external CD player not streaming.

I set bass to +3db and treble to -3 dB to try.

One idea I have is use Dolby Surround to upmix 2-channel to surround so that 80% comes out of the center speaker like HT.

How do you like the signs I posted for my wife now that I finally got the toe-in and distance between speakers right? :-)
"You can also select [Equalizer] in [Sound Effects] from the home menu. Additionally, you can adjust the equalizer from the [<EQ>] menu on the display panel by pressing AMP MENU."

https://helpguide.sony.net/ha/strdn1...001221277.html

unless I am mistaken, you should.
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"You can also select [Equalizer] in [Sound Effects] from the home menu. Additionally, you can adjust the equalizer from the [<EQ>] menu on the display panel by pressing AMP MENU."

https://helpguide.sony.net/ha/strdn1...001221277.html

unless I am mistaken, you should.
Wow really helpful! Gonna try tonight. (Can swear that everytime I selected Equalizer from any menu earlier, all I got was bass and treble settings.) The info in the website above is not in the printed manual I received with the AVR. Let me try today.

To confirm, set -3dB at 2-3 kHz?

Hate to be a naysayer but I just read your link again and they also say all you can change is C (bass) and D (treble). This is exactly what I see on every menu too. There is no Hz setting. But I'll try tonight.

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Wow really helpful! Gonna try tonight. (Can swear that everytime I selected Equalizer from any menu earlier, all I got was bass and treble settings.) The info in the website above is not in the printed manual I received with the AVR. Let me try today.

To confirm, set -3dB at 2-3 kHz?

Hate to be a naysayer but I just read your link again and they also say all you can change is C (bass) and D (treble). This is exactly what I see on every menu too. There is no Hz setting. But I'll try tonight.
Well, the "additionally" part might be more of a fine-tuning thing. I would be pretty surprised if it did not have any manual EQ adjustments.

No idea regarding -3dB at 2-3kHz, that's an answer someone else can maybe address.
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If you would like to keep the S15’s, some simple eq will fix it, a slight notch at 2-3khz will remove most sibilance.

I wouldn’t mix, I prefer to have all matching brands in a system, but the LX16’s would definitely be sibilance free, I think @gajCA can agree.

The Q Acoustics should be warm, not as warm as the Martin Logan’s, and the Kef will be sibilance free also, though not warm until you get to the higher R line. The Q line will be neutral, a little forward. I’d put them somewhere in between the Q Acoustics and Polk S15’s.
I think the OP just needs a better AVR as his next step to be honest; one with better EQ and option for Manual EQ with equalizer.
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Are you serious? I just got the Sony 3 months ago because CNET and some other sites rated it best of 2019 midlevel AVRs.
Well, it seems it won't do what you want to do now which is EQ out some sibilance so it seems quite limited for your needs.

But if it is that new, hang on to it of course.

Denon has numerous ways to address that issue in most of their receivers including something called Cinema EQ.

Cinema EQ and THX Re-equalization® share a common goal as they’re both designed to remove excessive high frequency information from movie soundtracks optimized for theatrical presentation.

Re-equalization, part of THX’s collection of technologies, is a specially-contoured "shelving filter" that gently adjusts the extreme high frequency range of the front channels, to compensate for the fact that many film soundtracks mixed for theatrical conditions sound very bright when played in a home environment. Whenever you select THX processing for a Dolby Pro Logic or Dolby Digital source, THX re-equalization circuitry is automatically activated and contours the sound for proper reproduction in the typical home theater room.

Denon’s "Cinema EQ," actually developed as a "stand alone" solution to overly-bright soundtracks before THX put its bundled technologies together, approaches the excessive high frequency problem from a different perspective. The "Cinema EQ" circuit has a progressively greater effect on frequencies further away from the "corner frequency," which is the point where the filter begins to operate.
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Are you serious? I just got the Sony 3 months ago because CNET and some other sites rated it best of 2019 midlevel AVRs.

I stopped paying attention to CNET because they give everything a good rating similar to Stereophile (But stereophile reviews items 10-100x more expensive hah).

But I don’t think I’ve ever seen Sony come up as a top suggestion here at AVS or Audioholics, so there’s that.

But as @gajCA said, hang on to it as it’s pretty new, but if it’s returnable, it’s worth around $600 new(?) which can get you a nice Denon X3500H which has pre-outs, Audessey XT32 EQ, Manual EQ, and a bunch of other stuff, along with what GajCA mentioned.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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But I don’t think I’ve ever seen Sony come up as a top suggestion here at AVS or Audioholics, so there’s that.

But as @gajCA said, hang on to it as it’s pretty new, but if it’s returnable, it’s worth around $600 new(?) which can get you a nice Denon X3500H which has pre-outs, Audessey XT32 EQ, Manual EQ, and a bunch of other stuff, along with what GajCA mentioned.
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Onkyo owner here too
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Could the issue be your phone? Sonos app doesn't work on my 2017 Android phone but works perfectly on my wife's 2018 Android phone. Both phones are entry level Samsung.
It's known that the sub control app doesn't function on iOS13. It boots, but you get a blank screen.

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First I'll try Ryan's tips to find manual EQ on my Sony. If it doesn't work, I'll try to sell the Sony on Craigslist and come back here to get recommendations on a cheaper Denon that has sibilance reduction options(*). I bought the $599 Sony on sale at $429. A 5.1 Denon AVR will work since I'm not planning atmos anymore.

The sibilance is indeed irritating especially since all my music seems to have freqs in that area (e.g., Freebird by Skynyrd).

(*)Will wait 3 months first to see if break in happens at all.
Could be the source.
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First I'll try Ryan's tips to find manual EQ on my Sony. If it doesn't work, I'll try to sell the Sony on Craigslist and come back here to get recommendations on a cheaper Denon that has sibilance reduction options(*). I bought the $599 Sony on sale at $429. A 5.1 Denon AVR will work since I'm not planning atmos anymore.

The sibilance is indeed irritating especially since all my music seems to have freqs in that area (e.g., Freebird by Skynyrd).

(*)Will wait 3 months first to see if break in happens at all.
There's a very good chance that I am simply misreading what the manual says. It would be very strange if it had no manual EQ settings apart from ones that have pre-set, internal adjustments.

Even if you're not planning Atmos, a 7.2ch AVR wouldn't be a bad idea - at least you'd have the flexibility to do Atmos if you changed your mind later on.
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You're killing me, gajCA.
He could be right, though. Some speakers uncover a lot of things in an audio recording that warmer speakers wouldn't reveal.
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