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An AVS member who wanted a musical sub bought the LV12F and the L12 and preferred the latter.

Good news is the OP is near Rhythmik so can compare them side to side.
The L12/L22 would likely be better musically. A visit to their facility is a great idea. They will be able to educate him on the different subs (sealed vs ported) as well as give some tips to optimize performance.
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Could a power conditioner like this or another type of power conditioner reduce the shhhhh noise I'm hearing when playing music on the s15 in 2.0? The noise is like traffic noise on a highway when driving with the window down and other cars pass you at high speed (not engine noise or honking but "shhhhhhh").

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That wouldn't be because of the speakers, afaik.
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Could a power conditioner like this or another type of power conditioner reduce the shhhhh noise I'm hearing when playing music on the s15 in 2.0? The noise is like traffic noise on a highway when driving with the window down and other cars pass you at high speed (not engine noise or honking but "shhhhhhh").

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SHHH like sibilance when music is playing or more of a buzzing or static sound even when nothing is playing?
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Shhhh like sibilance, especially prominent, when particular songs are playing. The particular songs are typically live rock and roll performances (Sweet Home Chicago by Luther Allison - Live and Freebird by Lynyrd Skynyrd - Live). Like discordant cymbal noise. When played at lower volume, the shhhh drowns out the midrange a bit.

I hang blankets at first reflection point and on coffee table as gajCA said, and tried very different toe-ins.

I was reading about power supply noise and hence felt it could be that.
Is it in the vocals or the other instruments? I listened to Sweet Home Chicago on YouTube - didn't hear any "shhh" sound anywhere (keep in mind, again, that I have - by all accounts - brighter-sounding speakers than the Signature Series). There was nothing in the vocals that I heard - are you conflating the natural sound of the snare drum/high hat as sibilance?
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Hmmmm...

Ok playing Luther Allison from Sweet Home Chicago from Live at Montreux on Spotify on my S15s. I wouldn't say it is a super good/clear recording to begin with, there is a high frequency sound almost continuous shortly after the song starts ...from the cymbals (I think). It might sound like a whoosh. The last minute sounds better than the start. the same song from his "bad news is coming" album sounds much better.

Sweet Home Chicago live on my S55s sounds better with more mid bass and a little better definition in the cymbals. But the amplifier and music streamer are much better on this setup too and the room has a better setup with room correction on. I'm not a huge fan of this recording overall. Honestly Listening to Max Roach Lonesome Lover on each the cymbals sound pretty good and I think this song is a much better test.

Did you try listening to Luther with headphones on to see if you could isolate the sound you don't like?
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I am using a class D SMSL AD18 to run my S15s when I turned down the trouble by one or two dBs it sounded much better
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Ok playing Luther Allison from Sweet Home Chicago from Live at Montreux on Spotify on my S15s. I wouldn't say it is a super good/clear recording to begin with, there is a high frequency sound almost continuous shortly after the song starts ...from the cymbals (I think). It might sound like a whoosh. The last minute sounds better than the start. the same song from his "bad news is coming" album sounds much better.

Sweet Home Chicago live on my S55s sounds better with more mid bass and a little better definition in the cymbals. But the amplifier and music streamer are much better on this setup too and the room has a better setup with room correction on. I'm not a huge fan of this recording overall. Honestly Listening to Max Roach Lonesome Lover on each the cymbals sound pretty good and I think this song is a much better test.

Did you try listening to Luther with headphones on to see if you could isolate the sound you don't like?
I think I found the same live recording of the Sweet Home Chicago song (if you had a YouTube link to confirm, I can verify myself if it's different) - I *think* I heard what the OP was saying in that recording, but it's just a s***ty recording, so not even anything you can blame on the speakers. What it sounded like, to me, was the same kind of wispy garbling that occurs when a vinyl record has been played too much or a cassette tape that has been stretched too much or a live recording that was recorded using bad equipment. If anything, the speakers are just revealing the poor quality of the source material more than his $9 pair of headphones/cheap factory radio. Live recordings, especially, are pretty awful, and I would never really use those to test speakers or as any kind of measure of a speaker's capabilities - the studio version of the same song was *way* better.
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I hope so. It's making the s15 sound like the old Polk R50 towers I had, which I think are now renamed T50. I'll run experiments as meurich and you suggested and hope it's just Google Play Music selecting bad quality recording when I speak or type search for a particular song. Thanks for your help.
Definitely not the speakers at all. The T50 is an old model. The only thing I've seen, just now actually, is that they added an "e" at the end (i.e. S55e), which could mean a newer version of the Signature series.

It's not even Google Play, it's the recording itself. Live recordings are never "good", especially old ones. Don't judge your speakers based on those recordings.
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How goes your subwoofer search, by the way?
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Definitely not the speakers at all. The T50 is an old model. The only thing I've seen, just now actually, is that they added an "e" at the end (i.e. S55e), which could mean a newer version of the Signature series.

It's not even Google Play, it's the recording itself. Live recordings are never "good", especially old ones. Don't judge your speakers based on those recordings.
I am guessing it has to do with the way they had the drums mic'd in that recording that you are hearing along with a slight flaw with the S15 being a little on the brighter side at that specific frequency. Ryan is correct about live recordings, I wouldn't judge sound by playing live performances although there are a few live recordings I really like Joe Bonamassa comes to mind. I ran sound for a while and I always hated micing drums it is tricky to get the sound perfect without using a lot of expensive equipment.

I have heard that "e" designation for S55e is a European distinction.
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I am guessing it has to do with the way they had the drums mic'd in that recording that you are hearing along with a slight flaw with the S15 being a little on the brighter side at that specific frequency. Ryan is correct about live recordings, I wouldn't judge sound by playing live performances although there are a few live recordings I really like Joe Bonamassa comes to mind. I ran sound for a while and I always hated micing drums it is tricky to get the sound perfect without using a lot of expensive equipment.

I have heard that "e" designation for S55e is a European distinction.
I would still see that as just being how the recording is rather than a flaw in the speaker. That isn't to say that a warmer-sounding speaker wouldn't mellow out that garbling on that specific recording, though. Either way, I think the recording itself is the culprit of the extraneous/unpleasant sound he's hearing.

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My problem is I threw away my CDs last year :-( is there a better streaming service than Google Play that would not have bad recordings? I fear Goggle being Google may try to store every possible recording on earth and compress them further. I also fear their machine learning uses features other than quality of recording to determine which recording to send me.
I was on the verge of getting rid of my CDs, too, but thankfully my procrastination saved me from doing that considering that I'm now establishing a music area that will involve vinyl, CD, and streaming from iTunes.
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With respect to Max Roach....there are a number of websites out there that list good tracks to test your speakers with and this is a common one. The thing to listen to is the way the cymbals sound. There is a wide variation of sounds they make and each one should have a distinct pattern with a beginning and end. It should not all blend together as a single sound you should be able to pick out all the different sounds the drummer was making. Getting familiar with some test tracks will help you evaluate speakers and set up your system. (You don't have to like the track to learn what to listen to.)

This will describe more https://www.whathifi.com/us/features...-your-speakers
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With respect to Max Roach....there are a number of websites out there that list good tracks to test your speakers with and this is a common one. The thing to listen to is the way the cymbals sound. There is a wide variation of sounds they make and each one should have a distinct pattern with a beginning and end. It should not all blend together as a single sound you should be able to pick out all the different sounds the drummer was making. Getting familiar with some test tracks will help you evaluate speakers and set up your system. (You don't have to like the track to learn what to listen to.)

This will describe more https://www.whathifi.com/us/features...-your-speakers
I will personally check out those songs to see how they are on my system, which will slightly change yet again as I - just 30 or so minutes ago - bought an HSU ULS-15 MK2 subwoofer. My wife is going to kill me...
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I will personally check out those songs to see how they are on my system, which will slightly change yet again as I - just 30 or so minutes ago - bought an HSU ULS-15 MK2 subwoofer. My wife is going to kill me...
I hope she lets you live long enough to enjoy the new sub a little and let us know what you think of it
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Is it in the vocals or the other instruments? I listened to Sweet Home Chicago on YouTube - didn't hear any "shhh" sound anywhere (keep in mind, again, that I have - by all accounts - brighter-sounding speakers than the Signature Series). There was nothing in the vocals that I heard - are you conflating the natural sound of the snare drum/high hat as sibilance?
The speakers sound hissy in general and suppress the midrange. It's not a constant shhh component that is added to the music. The music itself sounds hissy on the s15.

What are snare drums and high hats? Something like cymbals? When I play better studio recordings, it does improve but still a little hissy. As Pase22 said, s15 may just not suit me. The Signature set continues to be great for HT (but I'm also fine using TV speakers for HT).
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The speakers sound hissy in general and suppress the midrange. It's not a constant shhh component that is added to the music. The music itself sounds hissy on the s15.

What are snare drums and high hats? Something like cymbals? When I play better studio recordings, it does improve but still a little hissy. As Pase22 said, s15 may just not suit me. The Signature set continues to be great for HT (but I'm also fine using TV speakers for HT).
But you're using live recordings to judge your speakers... and using source material that isn't the best (not the streaming service, the actual recording). Also, what settings do you currently have set with the streaming software you use? If you're hearing a constant hiss, then that could be your app's settings (too much treble or something).

I have never seen anyone describe the S15s as being hissy (not even the pretty fair review here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...-speakers.html )

The snare is the main drum in a drum kit. There's a bunch of little "wires" on the bottom side of the drum that create a "rattling" sound, which you tend to hear, say, during a drum roll. The high hat is like a cymbal - it's pretty much the other main component in a drum kit. There's a pedal that open/closes it, and it makes a TSSS sound, which can be long or short-sounding depending on whether the high hat is open or closed.

It's difficult to pinpoint the issue because: 1. It could be your space 2. You're perhaps not using the best source material 3. Your streaming app EQ settings might be to blame (possibly even the EQ settings on your AVR?) 4. You're possibly conflating naturally-occurring sounds from the instruments with sibilance/hissing 5. You're comparing the S15s with $9 headphones/factory radio/sound inside your car, and are just used to speakers/components that lack the clarity that the S15s are producing by comparison.

Ultimately, if you're not happy with the S15s, get rid of them. Truly. Sell them, and replace them with something else - the KEF Q150s might be more to your liking or even the Wharfedale Diamond 10.2s or Elac Debut 6.2s or Polk LSiM 703s. It's honestly a bit of an exercise in futility to try to shoehorn the S15s into something you're happy with when you have all of these concerns.
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Ultimately, if you're not happy with the S15s, get rid of them. Truly. Sell them, and replace them with something else - the KEF Q150s might be more to your liking or even the Wharfedale Diamond 10.2s or Elac Debut 6.2s or Polk LSiM 703s. It's honestly a bit of an exercise in futility to try to shoehorn the S15s into something you're happy with when you have all of these concerns.
I understand, thanks. Would it help if I used only downloaded studio albums on Tidal for $19.99 / month?

It's not the live that is the issue. Speakers improve but are a bit hissy on studio albums too and good quality 2019 pop albums, so it could be Google's compression and 328 rate, which may be bottlenecked somehow to even less when streaming. To compare, I tried downloaded only and its better but still not CD quality that I used to have.

Settings on streaming software is reset so it's not the issue. It's not the space since I tried in different rooms now. The AVR's EQ is off(*). I'm not conflating naturally-occurring sounds from the instruments with sibilance/hissing.

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Rhythmik L12 as soon as I have a chance to visit them. Select between Wharfedale Reva2, Martin Logan LX16, Q Acoustic Concept 20, KEF Q150, ELAC unifi, any other you recommend in $500-$1000 range for warm musical bookshelves? Denon X3500H to get room EQ ability. My Sony has only two EQ settings (Engineered/Off) that doesn't do anything.

Also, would appreciate any feedback on my Tidal question above.
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I understand, thanks. Would it help if I used only downloaded studio albums on Tidal for $19.99 / month?

It's not the live that is the issue. Speakers improve but are a bit hissy on studio albums too and good quality 2019 pop albums, so it could be Google's compression and 328 rate, which may be bottlenecked somehow to even less when streaming. To compare, I tried downloaded only and its better but still not CD quality that I used to have.

Settings on streaming software is reset so it's not the issue. It's not the space since I tried in different rooms now. The AVR's EQ is off(*). I'm not conflating naturally-occurring sounds from the instruments with sibilance/hissing.

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Rhythmik L12 as soon as I have a chance to visit them. Select between Wharfedale Reva2, Martin Logan LX16, Q Acoustic Concept 20, KEF Q150, ELAC unifi, any other you recommend in $500-$1000 range for warm musical bookshelves? Denon X3500H to get room EQ ability. My Sony has only two EQ settings (Engineered/Off) that doesn't do anything.

Also, would appreciate any feedback on my Tidal question above.
Not sure whether Tidal will make any difference if it happens to be the source material.

Is the hissy thing throughout the recording or only when specific things are being played in the song (I'm sorry if I've asked this already - I don't recall seeing a reply on that unless I've just completely overlooked it!)? does it get louder when you turn the volume up?

If any other recommendations, I think most people would urge you to look into Ascend Acoustics - perhaps their Sierra 1 Reference Monitor, which currently sits at just under $721.00 USD (even for their nice wood finishes), so right in the middle of your budget.

Don't discount the Polk LSiM series, either - they are said to be very good for music, and a huge step up from the Signature series (even from the RTiA series). There are also killer sales on them for ~$450 USD per pair at some places, so a little under the bottom end of your budget.
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Will Tidal sound better if it is not the source material at issue? The hissy sound does come on studio albums and FM too but less. The hissy sound is throughout the recording. It gets louder with the volume. Ascend Acoustics Sierra 1 looks good but is it warm? I don't think I'll get the Polk LSIM due to size. I'll start new thread later for bookshelves. Since the s15 can't be returned now, I'll play every studio album I know of and like and test them out with the sub.
I couldn't answer anything regarding Tidal vs. Google since I don't use streaming apps to listen to music.

Is there any other bass/treble adjustments in your AVR? What cables are you using? It almost sounds like it could be gain noise. I haven't scanned through, but check this thread: https://sound.stackexchange.com/ques...mp-to-speakers

The Ascends would be warmer than the S15s, and I've seen them described as neutral, which isn't a bad thing.

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another possible link to look at? https://sound.stackexchange.com/ques...speakers/25474

Do you have a different AVR you can try out?
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I couldn't answer anything regarding Tidal vs. Google since I don't use streaming apps to listen to music.

Is there any other bass/treble adjustments in your AVR? What cables are you using? It almost sounds like it could be gain noise. I haven't scanned through, but check this thread: https://sound.stackexchange.com/ques...mp-to-speakers

The Ascends would be warmer than the S15s, and I've seen them described as neutral, which isn't a bad thing.

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another possible link to look at? https://sound.stackexchange.com/ques...speakers/25474

Do you have a different AVR you can try out?
OK just had to write this. I'll circle back to your questions later but bottomline: I see an improvement in noise reduction and bass by not streaming. I used Google's download feature and downloaded a bunch of albums to my phone. Then I played them without streaming. The earlier issue appears to be when I streamed over WiFi and also used WiFi to broadcast from phone to AVR. I suspect if I connect my phone by USB to the AVR, it'll get even better. Downside is I must always download an album first before listening and cannot just say "OK Google, play me x."
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OK just had to write this. I'll circle back to your questions later but bottomline: I see an improvement in noise reduction and bass by not streaming. I used Google's download feature and downloaded a bunch of albums to my phone. Then I played them without streaming. The earlier issue appears to be when I streamed over WiFi and also used WiFi to broadcast from phone to AVR. I suspect if I connect my phone by USB to the AVR, it'll get even better. Downside is I must always download an album first before listening and cannot just say "OK Google, play me x."
Are there quality settings in the app similar to, say, Netflix? Though, it doesn't surprise me one bit that the sound quality is better from downloading and playing directly from your device rather than streaming it via WiFi. It's a shame that you don't have any of your physical media left to be able to do any further testing.

The only time I've ever done any kind of streaming has been using airplay from my laptop connecting to my AVR via iTunes. It worked beautifully, and didn't notice (at the time) any degradation in quality.
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Yep, I set to highest. It's my house's Wi-Fi that is degrading quality when streaming, looks like. I can either use Wi-Fi to stream from cloud to phone or use Wi-Fi to send from phone to AVR. Doing both simultaneously causes the hiss.
I'm glad you figured out the issue.
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The speakers sound hissy in general and suppress the midrange. It's not a constant shhh component that is added to the music. The music itself sounds hissy on the s15.

What are snare drums and high hats? Something like cymbals? When I play better studio recordings, it does improve but still a little hissy. As Pase22 said, s15 may just not suit me. The Signature set continues to be great for HT (but I'm also fine using TV speakers for HT).
You likely tweeked settings several times and moved the speakers to optimize performance. This is what I suggest: Start over by re-running audyssey and make sure the mic isn't close to any walls.
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Yep, I set to highest. It's my house's Wi-Fi that is degrading quality when streaming, looks like. I can either use Wi-Fi to stream from cloud to phone or use Wi-Fi to send from phone to AVR. Doing both simultaneously causes the hiss.
I'm glad you resolved the issue. Now you just need to find a pair of speakers you actually like.
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You're right about the moving and tweaking. My Sony AVR doesn't actually have Audyssey or any usable EQ. It has only 2 EQ settings: Engineered and Off. Engineered improves the sound a bit (boosts bass like a bluetooth speaker) but not much. Hence, I'd like to get the Denon X3500H that Geoff recommended. Would you recommend any other AVR instead? How important is Audyssey XT32 over regular Audyssey? The Denon X2500H has regular Audyssey XT and is cheaper than the X3500H that has Audyssey XT32.
You could probably do either the X2500H or the X3500H. What is the price difference? If it's nominal, I'd just get the X3500H for the extra Audyssey features.
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You're right about the moving and tweaking. My Sony AVR doesn't actually have Audyssey or any usable EQ. It has only 2 EQ settings: Engineered and Off. Engineered improves the sound a bit (boosts bass like a bluetooth speaker) but not much. Hence, I'd like to get the Denon X3500H that Geoff recommended. Would you recommend any other AVR instead? How important is Audyssey XT32 over regular Audyssey? The Denon X2500H has regular Audyssey XT and is cheaper than the X3500H that has Audyssey XT32.
Audyssey XT32 has dual sub eq and uses more filters. XT32 was definitely worth the upgrade for me. Aside from auyssey, the X3400/3500 has full pre-outs for external amplification should you go that route later on. That said, the X2500 is a very good receiver that will be much better than your Sony. Audyssey XT on the X2500 will do a good job. There are other options such as Onkyo and Yamaha which are also good units loaded with features, but their room correction is said to not be as good as Denon.
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If you aren’t getting the X3500, the X1500 is cheaper than the X2500 while also having the same EQ minus 2 hdmi inputs and like 10 watts. Both will go unnoticed but you’ll have $100 extra.
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Thanks, the one with XT32 it will be. I may wait a few months for the AVR. This is because last night for a bit I found the sound improving when I played downloaded music instead of streaming. This weekend, I want to test that further. I'll also connect my phone using USB to AVR instead of WiFi. I may try Tidal. Meanwhile, I'll get the sub. Then I'll get the AVR or front speakers and then the other.
Hook up a DVD/BR player and play some CD's or if you have spotty/Tidal premium would be a close 2nd.
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If the speakers continue to annoy you, regardless of the reason, then think about changing them.
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If the speakers continue to annoy you, regardless of the reason, then think about changing them.
Yep.....That was suggested all the way back in post #14 of this thread. You can tweek settings, adjust eq and placement endlessly till you're blue in the face trying to get them right. If you don't like them after a few days, it's likely never going to happen.

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