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Klipsch alternatives ??? Recommendations???

Hello... I am upgrading my home theater system and would like some help on choosing the brand / model of speakers. I used to have a top-of-the-line Samsung soundbar with a sub and wireless rear speakers, but I sold the setup and used the money to buy a Yamaha "Aventage" RX-A880 receiver. It's a 7.1 rated at 100w RMS. I was almost ready to go with the Klipsch Reference Premier speakers: RP-8000F fronts left and right, RP-404C center, SPL-120 sub, and RP502S "surrounds" for the rear left and right. However, I've read about many issues/complaints with the RP-8000F: crossovers not correct, sound too bright, requires too much power to move, etc. etc. Although the Klipsch would definitely look intimidating, I don't want to waste money on just a name. I've read about many people returning them. I want clean, balanced, life-like sound and bass. My TV is one year old, Sony XBR-75X900F and have a new Sony 4K player (can't remember the model). I am also looking at Atmos speakers and don't know whether to buy some that would sit on top the front floorstanding speakers, or if I should utilize the existing ceiling speaker locations: there are two fronts and two rears in the ceiling but I'm sure they're $20 speakers that need upgrading. So put Atmos on top of the floorstanding speakers, or up in the ceiling? As for the room, it's actually a "great room" with the family room and kitchen in one area: the room is long and skinny: 14ft wide, 13 ft deep (from the TV to the couch), but then the room continues further back... the kitchen is behind my back when I sit on the couch. The ceiling is 10ft tall. Any recommendations on what brand/model speakers to go with? I'm trying to stay around $3,000 or $3,500. ps- my local Best Buy is claiming Definitive Technologies is the way to go. Thank you guys.
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Older Klipsch speakers did have a tendency to be overly bright at louder volumes, however the RP-8000F are more laid back and sound much better than my RF 82 II's. As Audioholics said in their review, the crossover between the woofer and tweeter could be a little better for off angle listening, but your not going to be able to tell from straight on.

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Hello... I am upgrading my home theater system and would like some help on choosing the brand / model of speakers. I used to have a top-of-the-line Samsung soundbar with a sub and wireless rear speakers, but I sold the setup and used the money to buy a Yamaha "Aventage" RX-A880 receiver. It's a 7.1 rated at 100w RMS. I was almost ready to go with the Klipsch Reference Premier speakers: RP-8000F fronts left and right, RP-404C center, SPL-120 sub, and RP502S "surrounds" for the rear left and right. However, I've read about many issues/complaints with the RP-8000F: crossovers not correct, sound too bright, requires too much power to move, etc. etc. Although the Klipsch would definitely look intimidating, I don't want to waste money on just a name. I've read about many people returning them. I want clean, balanced, life-like sound and bass. My TV is one year old, Sony XBR-75X900F and have a new Sony 4K player (can't remember the model). I am also looking at Atmos speakers and don't know whether to buy some that would sit on top the front floorstanding speakers, or if I should utilize the existing ceiling speaker locations: there are two fronts and two rears in the ceiling but I'm sure they're $20 speakers that need upgrading. So put Atmos on top of the floorstanding speakers, or up in the ceiling? As for the room, it's actually a "great room" with the family room and kitchen in one area: the room is long and skinny: 14ft wide, 13 ft deep (from the TV to the couch), but then the room continues further back... the kitchen is behind my back when I sit on the couch. The ceiling is 10ft tall. Any recommendations on what brand/model speakers to go with? I'm trying to stay around $3,000 or $3,500. ps- my local Best Buy is claiming Definitive Technologies is the way to go. Thank you guys.
In a big open space like that you want a pair of good subwoofers, like the Hsu VTF-2 or a single VTF-3 or 15. This will provide all the bass you could possibly want, without the need to go with towers. Speaker companies usually make mediocre and overpriced subs; I'd check out subwoofer specialist companies like Hsu, Rythmik, Monolilth, SVS, and PSA.

If you want a horn speaker with zero risk of brightness, the Hsu HB-1 and/or HC-1 would be a very safe choice.

Def Tech like Klipsch draws a polarized reaction; some love them, some also find them unbearably bright.

Ascend, Emotiva and Chane are also great choices.

The Emotiva towers are being cleared out right now ahead of a cosmetic makeover new edition in the fall, at incredible prices. Their main weakness is cosmetic; some people dislike the futuristic Batmobile styling.
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However, I've read about many issues/complaints with the RP-8000F: crossovers not correct, sound too bright, requires too much power to move, etc. etc. Although the Klipsch would definitely look intimidating, I don't want to waste money on just a name. I've read about many people returning them.
You'd have to provide links to that as on AVS that has not been the case with either the old RP line and especially the new RP line.

That being said I would think in most normal rooms the very easy to drive Klipsch, (you mentioned hard to drive but that is not the case), the Klipsch RP6000F would be more than enough with a good sub(s) in play.
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for high efficiency, check out Tekton designs, they have some reasonably priced models

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The RP line of Klipsch is really nice. No reason to shy away from them.
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Hello... I am upgrading my home theater system and would like some help on choosing the brand / model of speakers. I used to have a top-of-the-line Samsung soundbar with a sub and wireless rear speakers, but I sold the setup and used the money to buy a Yamaha "Aventage" RX-A880 receiver. It's a 7.1 rated at 100w RMS. I was almost ready to go with the Klipsch Reference Premier speakers: RP-8000F fronts left and right, RP-404C center, SPL-120 sub, and RP502S "surrounds" for the rear left and right. However, I've read about many issues/complaints with the RP-8000F: crossovers not correct, sound too bright, requires too much power to move, etc. etc. Although the Klipsch would definitely look intimidating, I don't want to waste money on just a name. I've read about many people returning them. I want clean, balanced, life-like sound and bass. My TV is one year old, Sony XBR-75X900F and have a new Sony 4K player (can't remember the model). I am also looking at Atmos speakers and don't know whether to buy some that would sit on top the front floorstanding speakers, or if I should utilize the existing ceiling speaker locations: there are two fronts and two rears in the ceiling but I'm sure they're $20 speakers that need upgrading. So put Atmos on top of the floorstanding speakers, or up in the ceiling? As for the room, it's actually a "great room" with the family room and kitchen in one area: the room is long and skinny: 14ft wide, 13 ft deep (from the TV to the couch), but then the room continues further back... the kitchen is behind my back when I sit on the couch. The ceiling is 10ft tall. Any recommendations on what brand/model speakers to go with? I'm trying to stay around $3,000 or $3,500. ps- my local Best Buy is claiming Definitive Technologies is the way to go. Thank you guys.
Don't know where you read that the RP series were bright and they were hard to drive but that is not the case whatsoever. I have the RP-8000f's in my living room. I am running them with an older receiver that has only two channels working lol The older Reference line on the other hand were bright but I have spoken to few people that have the new Reference line and they say on how Klipsch revised their brightness. Either way if you want neutral sounding speakers, all the recommendations by Zorba922 are spot on! Have the ascend 340's in my basement and those are very neutral. I would jump on the Emotiva's right now since they are being discontinued and the price is right! Btw here is a pic of my Klipsch RP-8000f's in my living room as I am listening to them right now.

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Don't know where you read that the RP series were bright and they were hard to drive but that is not the case whatsoever. I have the RP-8000f's in my living room. I am running them with an older receiver that has only two channels working lol The older Reference line on the other hand were bright but I have spoken to few people that have the new Reference line and they say on how Klipsch revised their brightness. Either way if you want neutral sounding speakers, all the recommendations by Zorba922 are spot on! Have the ascend 340's in my basement and those are very neutral. I would jump on the Emotiva's right now since they are being discontinued and the price is right! Btw here is a pic of my Klipsch RP-8000f's in my living room as I am listening to them right now.

I second this. The 8000f are just fantastic. Love mine as well.

I came from using Bose 301s from 2001 for fronts. If these were overly harsh, it would've been incredibly obvious coming from those Bose speakers. I was so impressed with the incredible detail in sound the horns reproduce that I went out a week later and replaced my center with the 504c.
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Where did you read that RP8000 speakers had wrong crossovers and needed a lot of power to drive them? Probably a Klipsch hater would say those things! But none of professional reviews have said those things and all had good praises. I own older RP280s and they sound fantastic! Best thing to do is listen to them yourself and form your own opinion.

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Hi again... I read a ton of reviews over 5 days, so I can't say exactly where I read about the RP8000F needing more power to push them, but I was able to find one of the reviews talking about the crossover issue: www dot themasterswitch.com/best-floorstanding-speakers (forum won't let me post the link) "They do have downsides, however, which make them a second pick to the excellent SVS Ultra Towers. We found there was a slight issue with the crossover between woofer and tweeter, meaning that the sweet spot wasn’t as wide as we would have liked. And despite having one of the highest sensitivities on this list, at 98dB, the RP-8000F never quite had the room-rattling energy we would have liked." That's just one site where I read that, there were other sites that talked about the crossover as well. Anyway, I figured there will ALWAYS be people with different opinions (there will always be haters), so I took the advice of the people on here and pulled the trigger: I bought the RP8000F front left and right, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds. Expected delivery is 8/22/19, I can't wait!!! Now, the question is... which speaker cables???
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The true sensitivity of the RP-8000F is 92 dB anechoic. Skipped to the RP-8000F:


You can see a small issue at the crossover. That is off-axis and inherent to many/most 2-way designs. They don't comment on it, and I doubt it's a big deal.

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Now, the question is... which speaker cables???
Just get generic cable, 12 to 14 gauge, off Amazon for the best price. This is what I use:

Monoprice 14 gauge speaker cable:
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-12A.../dp/B001WHT8LC

Mediabridge banana plugs (optional---more of a convenience thing):
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Don't spend a lot on speaker wire and interconnects as they will make zero difference in SQ. Inexpensive 14-16awg oxygen free copper is all you really need. The links provided above are excellent suggestions.

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A couple more options, that I have used:

AmazonBasics 14-Gauge Speaker Wire
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Anyway, I figured there will ALWAYS be people with different opinions (there will always be haters), so I took the advice of the people on here and pulled the trigger: I bought the RP8000F front left and right, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds. Expected delivery is 8/22/19, I can't wait!!! Now, the question is... which speaker cables???
Excellent choices!! You will love them! Also all the options given by the posters above on the cable and banana plugs are excellent. I personally use the same ones that Zorba922 uses. Good luck and enjoy them
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.......Anyway, I figured there will ALWAYS be people with different opinions (there will always be haters), so I took the advice of the people on here and pulled the trigger: I bought the RP8000F front left and right, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds.
The Klipsch you chose are fine speakers, and you'll enjoy them.

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Hi again... I read a ton of reviews over 5 days, so I can't say exactly where I read about the RP8000F needing more power to push them, but I was able to find one of the reviews talking about the crossover issue: www dot themasterswitch.com/best-floorstanding-speakers (forum won't let me post the link) "They do have downsides, however, which make them a second pick to the excellent SVS Ultra Towers. We found there was a slight issue with the crossover between woofer and tweeter, meaning that the sweet spot wasn’️t as wide as we would have liked. And despite having one of the highest sensitivities on this list, at 98dB, the RP-8000F never quite had the room-rattling energy we would have liked." That's just one site where I read that, there were other sites that talked about the crossover as well. Anyway, I figured there will ALWAYS be people with different opinions (there will always be haters), so I took the advice of the people on here and pulled the trigger: I bought the RP8000F front left and right, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds. Expected delivery is 8/22/19, I can't wait!!! Now, the question is... which speaker cables??? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
This is the exact set up that I am looking into with the Denon 4500 AVR. My room is narrow so going for the 502s in a Dolby Atmos set up? Will you be doing Dolby Atmos? Did you look at the SVS surrounds.....its down to those two speakers for me. Any comments based on your research on the above is appreciated.

Please notify when you post your review. Thanks in advance.
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Hello again all... so I got the Klipsch RP speakers set up ( RP8000F front left and right towers, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds) and the sound is pretty amazing. I'm definitely in love, they were worth every penny. I watched some 4K / UHD stuff on Netflix Premium this weekend and the sound tracks definitely come to life!!! But... for my taste, even with the bass turned up on my Yamaha RX-A880, it's missing that extra "umph". My soundbar with a separate subwoofer definitely shook the room more. So now the question is, do I go with TWO x HSU VTF-2's or ONE x HSU VTF-3? It just so happens HSU is in Anaheim, CA, around the corner from where I work, so I can save on shipping by picking it up there... but they won't deal with me on a "cash" price (I was hoping to pay cash and avoid the sales tax). Anyway, back to my question: two VTF-2's or one VTF-3? And if anyone knows how/where I can get the HSU's at a discount, that would be great too. On the other hand, I'm also open to other subwoofer suggestions. Thank you all.
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HSU already offers incredible value, so I wouldn't expect discounts.
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Hello again all... so I got the Klipsch RP speakers set up ( RP8000F front left and right towers, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds) and the sound is pretty amazing. I'm definitely in love, they were worth every penny. I watched some 4K / UHD stuff on Netflix Premium this weekend and the sound tracks definitely come to life!!! But... for my taste, even with the bass turned up on my Yamaha RX-A880, it's missing that extra "umph". My soundbar with a separate subwoofer definitely shook the room more. So now the question is, do I go with TWO x HSU VTF-2's or ONE x HSU VTF-3? It just so happens HSU is in Anaheim, CA, around the corner from where I work, so I can save on shipping by picking it up there... but they won't deal with me on a "cash" price (I was hoping to pay cash and avoid the sales tax). Anyway, back to my question: two VTF-2's or one VTF-3? And if anyone knows how/where I can get the HSU's at a discount, that would be great too. On the other hand, I'm also open to other subwoofer suggestions. Thank you all.

My room is about 18x13 and I plan on doing either the 8000 or 6000 with dual VTF-3 MK5's.
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Don't buy the Klipsch until you've spent an extensive amount of time listening to them. I, too, have read multiple folks here saying they are still too bright, despite their improvements over their predecessors. There are lots of speakers to choose from and the the only way to know what you are getting is to go out and listen to them. Hopefully, there are more options for you than just BB (get into their back room).

Put together a wide variety of well-known music in a high quality format and take it with you as your demo material. Download a dB meter to your phone, so you can adjust the receiver's volume control for each new speaker, so you are listening to each demo at the exact same volume. Take a few notes for each demo. Likes and dislikes. Do this until you begin to get a feel for the sound qualities you want and don't want in your system. It may take a few weekends, demoing all the options (do look for BB alternatives). It's an iterative process, first to get a feel for what you like and want, and second, to go about finding the speaker that meets your needs.

Two caveats: Listen to the speakers, not the salesperson. Never buy on first listen. Always listen to a broad spectrum of options, then cull the options and go back around for a second, or even third listen, before pulling out the cc.

Doing the homework now will give you a much higher probability of purchasing speakers that you can enjoy for many years to come. Buying on the quick often results in a return visit here in a year, or less, wanting "upgrade" options. An annoying and expensive lesson you don't want to experience (as many folks here can attest).

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Hello again all... so I got the Klipsch RP speakers set up ( RP8000F front left and right towers, RP504C center, and RP502S surrounds) and the sound is pretty amazing. I'm definitely in love, they were worth every penny. I watched some 4K / UHD stuff on Netflix Premium this weekend and the sound tracks definitely come to life!!! But... for my taste, even with the bass turned up on my Yamaha RX-A880, it's missing that extra "umph". My soundbar with a separate subwoofer definitely shook the room more. So now the question is, do I go with TWO x HSU VTF-2's or ONE x HSU VTF-3? It just so happens HSU is in Anaheim, CA, around the corner from where I work, so I can save on shipping by picking it up there... but they won't deal with me on a "cash" price (I was hoping to pay cash and avoid the sales tax). Anyway, back to my question: two VTF-2's or one VTF-3? And if anyone knows how/where I can get the HSU's at a discount, that would be great too. On the other hand, I'm also open to other subwoofer suggestions. Thank you all.
Here's your answer.

https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-setup/two-subs

Geoff A. J., California
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