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Haven't heard the B1s myself but I do own and love the Emo C2, and it makes a great pair with my Revel M16s. The Revels also measure very similarly to the B1s but will get much louder and do sound very good in my room's less-than-ideal placement requirements (right next to walls, so lots of reflections). They can also be had for less than the $900 price tag so that's my suggestion - a pair of M16s.
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Haven't heard the B1s myself but I do own and love the Emo C2, and it makes a great pair with my Revel M16s. The Revels also measure very similarly to the B1s but will get much louder and do sound very good in my room's less-than-ideal placement requirements (right next to walls, so lots of reflections). They can also be had for less than the $900 price tag so that's my suggestion - a pair of M16s.
that's a solid suggestion ,, revel has crossed my mind

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The Canton Vento ceramic tweeter is pretty sweet sounding. One person even liked it a bit more than the BMR.
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they look a bit above my pay grade.. i'm pretty low rent.. let's keep it under a grand..
You would need to be able to return them, as their frequency response is bit shakey
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You would need to be able to return them, as their frequency response is bit shakey
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thanks , yep , not for me.. i have been looking at those rsl's .. good call i think..i still think the sierra's(1's) and nht's might be solid too.. Dave said the sierra 1 's are more laid back and warmer than the 170's.. i'm in no hurry .. if those jbl's or q150's go back on sale they are viable as well..

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The Canton Vento ceramic tweeter is pretty sweet sounding. One person even liked it a bit more than the BMR.
i have heard that the vento and new chrono sl are darn good .. if a4l had a better return policy , i probably would have tried the chrono sl ..

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I would say the Chane L3, but since Chane is out, my next vote would be for the Polks or the Ascends.

I don't really keep up with what Emotiva is doing, but since you're not in a hurry, maybe they'll have something new out that's in the next price bracket up.
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I would say the Chane L3, but since Chane is out, my next vote would be for the Polks or the Ascends.

I don't really keep up with what Emotiva is doing, but since you're not in a hurry, maybe they'll have something new out that's in the next price bracket up.
it's possible that emo is stepping up soon... don't sleep on those nht's though.. it is kinda fun that i still enjoy messing around with my budget gear (and it helps that i have good stuff).. hooking the b1's back up last night i realized what made me like them from the get go. just so smooth & they have a nice tweeter, if the mids were(clear) like the ascends (170's) i wouldn't even want an upgrade ...edit .. the l3 isn't out yet ,correct.. any eta?

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I would say the Chane L3, but since Chane is out, my next vote would be for the Polks or the Ascends. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I don't really keep up with what Emotiva is doing, but since you're not in a hurry, maybe they'll have something new out that's in the next price bracket up.
it's possible that emo is stepping up soon... don't sleep on those nht's though[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG].. it is kinda fun that i still enjoy messing around with my budget gear (and it helps that i have good stuff).. hooking the b1's back up last night i realized what made me like them from the get go. just so smooth & they have a nice tweeter, if the mids were(clear) like the ascends (170's) i morning wouldn't even want an upgrade ...
I would definitely look at the Sierra 1’s I have them and have had the q150 and there is no contest. They are agile, great details and can rock if called upon. A great speaker.
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any thought of stepping up to the T1's or T2's or are you just looking at bookshelf size? I really like the improvements going from the B1's to T1's
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any thought of stepping up to the T1's or T2's or are you just looking at bookshelf size? I really like the improvements going from the B1's to T1's
it's debatable, but my room is so small i think towers are a bad idea.. t1's have crossed my mind.. are the mids noticeably clearer?
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I would definitely look at the Sierra 1’s I have them and have had the q150 and there is no contest. They are agile, great details and can rock if called upon. A great speaker.
i like the idea of the sierra 1's.. i worry a bit about *any * forward presentation in my room though.. i think the sierra's are probably a great speaker though ... i *am* actually leaning that direction atm...

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it's debatable, but my room is so small i think towers are a bad idea.. t1's have crossed my mind.. are the mids noticeably clearer?
ya there's a definite difference between the mids, first thing I noticed when i played some music on them. My living room is only 11x14 though it does open up into my dining room from there but the main living room area isn't that big. I had debated for awhile on getting towers due to the footprint of them and having to potentially move my sub from the front wall (had to do it), then the closeout price came and I had to snag them at that price. They also don't have that slight cabinet resonance that the B1's can have when playing real loud. I didn't play them real loud too often but I could notice it once someone here mentioned it.
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i like the idea of the sierra 1's.. i worry a bit about *any * forward presentation in my room though.. i think the sierra's are probably a great speaker though ... i *am* actually leaning that direction atm...
Wait till the Concept 20s go back to $400.

These guys liked them about as much as the $1000 Emit M20s.


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Wait till the Concept 20s go back to $400.

These guys liked them about as much as the $1000 Emit M20s.


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i like the idea of the sierra 1's.. i worry a bit about *any * forward presentation in my room though.. i think the sierra's are probably a great speaker though ... i *am* actually leaning that direction atm...
Are you sticking with the soft dome? or upgrade $300 to better soft dome? OR upgrade even higher to RAAL?? I would imagine RAAL upgrade $500 to $700 more??

If so, what about Buchardt S300 ?

OR

something out of the box--NEW from Crutchfield

THis ribbon tweeter speaker called Quad S2 or S1

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Wait till the Concept 20s go back to $400.

These guys liked them about as much as the $1000 Emit M20s.


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crappy return policy.. i think i might like them but returning x-country is a no thanks for me .........ascend, rsl , anything sold by amazon (not 3rd party like q acoustics)...all go time.. edit.. that's why i haven't bought the polks at $520.. x-country return that i would pay for (NJ)...

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Are you sticking with the soft dome? or upgrade $300 to better soft dome? OR upgrade even higher to RAAL?? I would imagine RAAL upgrade $500 to $700 more??

If so, what about Buchardt S300 ?

OR

something out of the box--NEW from Crutchfield

THis ribbon tweeter speaker called Quad S2 or S1

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_306S2M...-Mahogany.html

PSB Imagine Mini $750 at Crutchfield
no upgrade .. i 'm not selling the farm to buy speakers... $7-800 is the absolute limit atm..

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ya there's a definite difference between the mids, first thing I noticed when i played some music on them. My living room is only 11x14 though it does open up into my dining room from there but the main living room area isn't that big. I had debated for awhile on getting towers due to the footprint of them and having to potentially move my sub from the front wall (had to do it), then the closeout price came and I had to snag them at that price. They also don't have that slight cabinet resonance that the B1's can have when playing real loud. I didn't play them real loud too often but I could notice it once someone here mentioned it.
i am tempted , but for now i think it's a bad idea..no room & i may be moving soon.. towers are something likely to get broken in a move .. books i can move myself.. no worries about a klutzy moving crew.... btw , that may have been me that 1st mentioned the cab res.. .. i keep it mid volume mostly but i go hi volume every so often.. and i got that far..

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Oh I wouldn't. A lot depends on application. If I was putting together a 2 channel music only system, the C3s would be right up there on my list along with modest(by DIY standards)sealed subs. My girlfriend and I are remodeling the living room which would be perfect for such a system. So far she's been adamant that she doesn't want audio equipment in there, since in her mind there is plenty in the den where our dual use system is. My plan is to wear her down over time.

They'd be a step up from entry level, which seems to be what you're looking for. There's a lot of good speakers in that range though, so I know it's a tough decision.

No one knows about the Chane Ls except Jon, but they seem to have gained the momentum necessary to go from design to product.

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Oh I wouldn't. A lot depends on application. If I was putting together a 2 channel music only system, the C3s would be right up there on my list along with modest(by DIY standards)sealed subs. My girlfriend and I are remodeling the living room which would be perfect for such a system. So far she's been adamant that she doesn't want audio equipment in there, since in her mind there is plenty in the den where our dual use system is. My plan is to wear her down over time.

They'd be a step up from entry level, which seems to be what you're looking for. There's a lot of good speakers in that range though, so I know it's a tough decision.

No one knows about the Chane Ls except Jon, but they seem to have gained the momentum necessary to go from design to product.
you called it .. a step above entry level.. but , if i do it right (like maybe sierra 1) and i like it .. that's all i need , finances dictate i do this right.. i am on a very limited income, so returns(paid) suck for me.. i'd rather get it right once and call it a day for a few yrs..the cbm 170's are so close.. i just need less forward energy , but they sound plenty good for the price point.. the q100's in the other room are plenty for in there ...
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Hahaha I couldn’t stop thinking about this.

If your speakers are too forward, have you tried moving them backwards?

Lol!
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Hahaha I couldn’t stop thinking about this.

If your speakers are too forward, have you tried moving them backwards?

Lol!
oh man.. you're killin' me again today.. you know there is a bunch of truth in that statement.. if i had a bigger room the 170's would probably be great..as it is i am 7-8 ft from the speakers with a wall 6 inches behind my head, 9 ft of aquarium glass behind and to the direct (4 ft) left of the left speaker , this room was not designed for ht/ music .. at all...but it's what i got and those 900 lb fish tanks ain't getting moved , until i move

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Do you happen to live near Chicago? I'm probably selling three Sierra-1's soon in the cherry finish. I really liked them but decided to go PSA 210T after reading all the great reviews.
no , i wish ,i live in phoenix, i'd be all over at least 2 of them.. thanks so much for the offer though.

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What happened to the 170s? Why the switch back?

What price range are you looking at? What about the Chane's A1.5 ? A real treat would be Chane's A2.4
i was just messing around with the 170's , i use them as centers and like them..they are a bit too much for my room set up (for music) , they come off as forward..chane might be a good fit , but i'm looking a bit higher end ..that would be a more sideways move i think.. i was thinking sierra 1, nht c3 as a start..maybe ls 50 , if i can find a deal .. maybe dynaudio ...
If you’re considering Dynaudio - that’s a pretty good deal. You’re in Phoenix, drive to Scottsdale and demo them! I’d say check out the Evoke 10 as well.

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If you’re considering Dynaudio - that’s a pretty good deal. You’re in Phoenix, drive to Scottsdale and demo them! I’d say check out the Evoke 10 as well.

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i live literally 10 minutes down the same road they are on..

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If you’️re considering Dynaudio - that’️s a pretty good deal. You’️re in Phoenix, drive to Scottsdale and demo them! I’️d say check out the Evoke 10 as well.

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i live literally 10 minutes down the same road they are on..[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
There you go!! Haha setup an appointment.

Maybe see if they’ll do the Evoke 10 (if you prefer them) for $1200-1250. A little more then your max budget but I can stave off upgraditist for longer! Haha.

Plus they have more you can demo.
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There you go!! Haha setup an appointment.

Maybe see if they’ll do the Evoke 10 (if you prefer them) for $1200-1250. A little more then your max budget but I can stave off upgraditist for longer! Haha.

Plus they have more you can demo.
thanks, i'll check them out if i get a chance before i order something.. i'm doing some medical treatments right now that are consuming much of my time...

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