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Regarding harshness, how much did you play with toe angle?
My general preference is to strike a balance between precise imaging and soundstage width (which I find to be inversely correlated in most instances).
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Not sure if i mentioned but upgraded from a really entry level 2 channel receiver to a peach tree deco 125, and it has made a very clear different, bordering substantial. I can comfortably say that to me the s400s are the best bookshelfs under 2k, if not 3k. Its always possible an ls50 w sub would take the prize but these are amazing. Highly recommended to anyone in a similar situation as myself.
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Not sure if i mentioned but upgraded from a really entry level 2 channel receiver to a peach tree deco 125, and it has made a very clear different, bordering substantial. I can comfortably say that to me the s400s are the best bookshelfs under 2k, if not 3k. Its always possible an ls50 w sub would take the prize but these are amazing. Highly recommended to anyone in a similar situation as myself.


I concur. To me, the S400s are the best bookshelf speakers in their price range that I’ve ever heard.


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You might want to try JBL 530 speakers. You won't find anything better under 7K. They go for $599. JBL is always sold out as they go like hotcakes but you can find them with resellers on Amazon and e-bay.
Which speakers are the step up at $7000? Just curious.
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Not sure if i mentioned but upgraded from a really entry level 2 channel receiver to a peach tree deco 125, and it has made a very clear different, bordering substantial. I can comfortably say that to me the s400s are the best bookshelfs under 2k, if not 3k. Its always possible an ls50 w sub would take the prize but these are amazing. Highly recommended to anyone in a similar situation as myself.
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I concur. To me, the S400s are the best bookshelf speakers in their price range that I’ve ever heard.
What I would like to know is, does this preference change if you tested all speakers with an 80 Hz crossover to multiple well-integrated subs? Does the R3, or S2, or any other speaker in this range then sound as good or better once you standardize the sub bass?
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What I would like to know is, does this preference change if you tested all speakers with an 80 Hz crossover to multiple well-integrated subs? Does the R3, or S2, or any other speaker in this range then sound as good or better once you standardize the sub bass?
It might but in doing that you kind of eliminate the biggest reason for considering the s400's. You want the best sound possible with the smallest visual impact and least amount of floor space taken up. My .02
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What is the best bookshelf for watching movies under 1k?
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What is the best bookshelf for watching movies under 1k?
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Reading through this thread I'm surprised to see no mention of RBH brand speakers. https://rbhsound.com/bookshelf-sv.php

The 61R and 661R paired with the matching center are right there with Ascend, and Salk for quality.
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It might but in doing that you kind of eliminate the biggest reason for considering the s400's. You want the best sound possible with the smallest visual impact and least amount of floor space taken up. My .02
I'm not so sure. I have great subs, but I want the linearity, detail, and driver matching this speaker provides.
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I concur. To me, the S400s are the best bookshelf speakers in their price range that I’ve ever heard.


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Some people say it doesn't sound good at low volumes, have you had that experience?
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Some people say it doesn't sound good at low volumes, have you had that experience?


I wouldn’t say it doesn’t sound good at low levels. I would say it doesn’t sound as good at low level...but I think that’s true of just about every speaker I’ve ever owned.


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By changing the volume a speaker shouldn't sound different...ie: @low >moderate> high volumes unless the amp is clipping. I will concur...not all tweeters sound the same at lower listening levels.

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Buchardt S400 vs KEF R3 comments:


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Buchardt S400 vs KEF R3 comments:

https://youtu.be/F6_Wj4Pac_M?t=576
Is that your video? IF not didnt you just buy these speakers - how do you like them?
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I'm a KEF Fanboy but Revel has really impressed me. Definitely my next set will be Revel concerta2's or performa3(if budget allows)
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Is that your video? IF not didnt you just buy these speakers - how do you like them?
I have had about a week with the S400s and so far I am very impressed. They are what I always found myself wishing less expensive speakers would be.

I put dynamic, complex music through my speakers. It's great when you can hear all the details coming through loud and clear, even when there's a lot going on. Even when there's electric guitar, drums, and electronic sounds all filling the soundstage, vocals are super clear, with a sharp center image.

I have a small, untreated room, so speakers can sound brighter here. In addition, my hearing seems hypersensitive. These can get close to bright for me, but they never feel like they are trying to punish your ears. The precision waveguide and small tweeter combination are producing very natural, detailed sound.

The midrange sounds very linear and again, detailed. There's definitely some bite and attack to these speakers which is great.

I feel like they will be able to produce enough midbass to bridge the gap to my subs once I get Dirac set up. Until then, I have the tone control set to Bass + 6 and it's a good temporary measure.
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I have had about a week with the S400s and so far I am very impressed. They are what I always found myself wishing less expensive speakers would be.

I put dynamic, complex music through my speakers. It's great when you can hear all the details coming through loud and clear, even when there's a lot going on. Even when there's electric guitar, drums, and electronic sounds all filling the soundstage, vocals are super clear, with a sharp center image.

I have a small, untreated room, so speakers can sound brighter here. In addition, my hearing seems hypersensitive. These can get close to bright for me, but they never feel like they are trying to punish your ears. The precision waveguide and small tweeter combination are producing very natural, detailed sound.

The midrange sounds very linear and again, detailed. There's definitely some bite and attack to these speakers which is great.

I feel like they will be able to produce enough midbass to bridge the gap to my subs once I get Dirac set up. Until then, I have the tone control set to Bass + 6 and it's a good temporary measure.
Not sure if you've bought your Dirac implement, but if not the Anthem products with ARC are still the best relatively inexpensive way to blend a sub properly.

The new Dirac Bass Management thing may change this, but I've obsessively measured ARC, Audyssey, manual Emotiva, manual MiniDSP, Yamaha, Onkyo and others I forget and only Anthem gets it right unless you deep dive into MiniDSP.

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Have you tested Dirac?

Btw, the blend is done via the house curve and careful choice of crossover. Room correction merely aligns and smooths the response of all speakers.
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I’m quite interested in this thread, since I’m now in the market for some dedicated music speakers in this price range (which would be paired with a subwoofer). I am still thrilled with all my Ascend speakers, but this time I think I want to look elsewhere purely for the sake of variety.

The KEF R3 particularly intrigues me due to its 3-way design, and reports that has even better bass than the Buchhardt S400. Revel is an option also, or anything else out there that would be recommended.

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Comparison starts at 9:40. Their comments are very curious, and I think I really don’t understand what they’re trying to say here. It sounds like they’re saying that the KEF R3 is a league beyond the Buchardt S400 in audiophile sound fidelity / resolution, yet they would somehow prefer the Buchardt S400 *because* it is more grainy and is less revealing of bad recordings (or something?)

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I’m quite interested in this thread, since I’m now in the market for some dedicated music speakers in this price range (which would be paired with a subwoofer). I am still thrilled with all my Ascend speakers, but this time I think I want to look elsewhere purely for the sake of variety.

The KEF R3 particularly intrigues me due to its 3-way design, and reports that has even better bass than the Buchhardt S400. Revel is an option also, or anything else out there that would be recommended.

Comparison starts at 9:40. Their comments are very curious, and I think I really don’t understand what they’re trying to say here. It sounds like they’re saying that the KEF R3 is a league beyond the Buchardt S400 in audiophile sound fidelity / resolution, yet they would somehow prefer the Buchardt S400 *because* it is more grainy and is less revealing of bad recordings (or something?)
I think you have it close but not quite. They are not grainy at all, but the opposite. They are saying the KEF is extremely revealing to the point where you will only want to feed them the best recordings otherwise they will sound kind of harsh, whereas the S400 sounds great with just about everything. My guess is that it has a lot to do with the waveguide design producing a smooth delivery from the tweeter to your ears (and the room) with very low diffraction/distortion.

I find my S400s to be very detailed, way more than my previous speakers. I was shocked at how much more I can hear into John William's newer soundtracks from the Star Wars series. The sound is likely closer to Ascend than KEF based on both measurements and user impressions. It's going to be that detailed yet smooth sound that Ascend and Dennis Murphy's speakers are known for.

I would put KEF R3 in the same camp as the ELAC Adante AS-61 and the Buchardt S400 with the Ascend Sierra-2EX if you're going for similar sound signatures.

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I think you have it close but not quite. They are not grainy at all, but the opposite. They are saying the KEF is extremely revealing to the point where you will only want to feed them the best recordings otherwise they will sound kind of harsh, whereas the S400 sounds great with just about everything. My guess is that it has a lot to do with the waveguide design producing a smooth delivery from the tweeter to your ears (and the room) with very low diffraction/distortion.

I find my S400s to be very detailed, way more than my previous speakers. I was shocked at how much more I can hear into John William's newer soundtracks from the Star Wars series. The sound is likely closer to Ascend than KEF based on both measurements and user impressions. It's going to be that detailed yet smooth sound that Ascend and Dennis Murphy's speakers are known for.

I would put KEF R3 in the same camp as the ELAC Adante AS-61 and the Buchardt S400 with the Ascend Sierra-2EX if you're going for similar sound signatures.
What makes the KEF too revealing for some recordings? Is there a measurement that would demonstrate this difference — e.g. is it brighter than neutral, for example?

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They are on the brighter side of neutral, which I'm sure accounts for much of it. But maybe the different waveguide designs account for some of it, too.

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