Originally Posted by Zorba922
LOL, if you are a slave to WAF and/or impressing the no-nothing Bose-loving neighbors, sure whatever...I think you're pushing your business model a bit hard aren't you?
This is not a "prettify your house" forum.
As for your other objections, the bottom line remains that $300 can get you a great pair of compact bookshelf speakers that are easily mounted and easily removed. I've never seen a $300 pair of in-walls with a decently engineered back-box (the main feature that can make in-walls not sound craptastic) as well as decent drivers.
The other bottom line is this: Any consumer who buys in-walls resigns himself to trusting the (often slimy, commission-chasing) salesman who sold the speakers to him, since if he isn't crazy about the actual sound of the in-walls once they've been put in HIS room, playing HIS content, using HIS electronics---as opposed to the ivory tower conditions, room treatments and high end electronics usually found in boutique showrooms---he's SOL. Putting a pair of bookshelf speakers back into the box and shipping them back or returning them at the store is a hell of a lot easier/quicker than removing in-wall speakers and then probably having to re-fit the hole for the replacement speaker.
Of course, if you are IN the industry on the selling end, you want to sell whatever makes life easiest and most profitable for YOU, not for the hapless and gullible consumer.
That's why enthusiast forums like this exist.
You have, literally NO experience, NOR any idea of what you're speaking of. See notes below, addressing your "points" in order....
- What business model am I pushing and, to what extent do you think it helps me? I have not, and do not initiate PMs to people on here to sell things. Nor do I put my business name on here to try and get sales. I post anonymously to give honest info. So honest, in fact, that a prominent dealer on this forum - I know who it is, but was asked to play nice - complained about me to a large manufacturer, lying that I initiate PMing people trying to sell gear (which I proved that it is he that actually does that and he was mad I possibly hurt his margins) trying to get me off of here. Didn't work, because it didn't happen and I proved it.
I do have a classified in the dealer section (where it's supposed to be) for floor standing speakers, FFS. WTF do you think I gain from telling him the tools he needs to do it himself? Do you think I get a commission for every in-wall speaker sold on planet Earth? Maybe you think I get paid for every drywall saw and stud finder, too?
Your personal sniping at me for being a professional in this industry is weird and misplaced. 20 years of experience and I give advice FOR FREE. Real, hands on, professional advice and ask for nothing in return unless someone asks me for help because they cannot find gear they need. Plenty of times I've even designed entire houses and projects for AVS members for free and just to help them. Strange how you've pimped brands that actually DO market online and on this forum and who actually ARE doing so to make money off of people. Do you just not realize that, or are you a hypocrite?
- This also isn't a "How can I make my house look like 1996 forum, either". Nor is it a "I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about forum", yet you still continue to spew forth totally wrong information. You're also generalizing and stereotyping the OP's neighbors, whom you know jack ISH about.
- Removing the speakers is a function of on and in-walls, yes. Did the OP say he needed or wanted a temporary solution? Perhaps I missed that. If he needs to remove them any time soon, totally understand the on-walls. On-walls, BTW, have very small enclosures and limited bass response and volume. They can absolutely work, but good ones are a bit pricey compared to a lower cost in-wall.
- I call BS on the "$300 can get you a great pair of bookshelves". Not new ones, anyway. Besides that, the mounting hardware isn't free, either. So, your entire costing position here is imaginary and incomplete. The 2x4 stud cavity, along with the drywall and open back in-wall occupies, is often times thicker and more dense than the enclosure of the $300 bookshelves you're pimping - especially if stuffed with sufficient batted insulation.
- Your assertion on the back box is completely, grossly wrong and has been debunked on this forum ad nauseam. Back boxes on in-walls LIMIT BASS RESPONSE BY CUTTING OFF THE AIR TO THE WOOFER, THUS NOT ALLOWING IT TO MOVE. There are benefits and drawbacks to both designs. Your blanket statement comes from ignorance and inexperience, yet you feel qualified to speak about it. I do this for a living..... you read about it. Perhaps next, go watch Top Gun and then find an aviation forum to tell pilots how to fly.
- Your 4th paragraph is a nonsensical, insane rant with more make believe BS. Not sure what 3rd world war-zone you live in where the big bad salesmen have ravaged and pillaged your lands but, MOVE, dude. It's a big world out there and there are outstanding professionals out there who enjoy helping people. You're clearly butt-hurt over some experience you had with salesmen somewhere in your timeline. You're just inventing scenarios to fit your personal narrative. What on Earth are you taking about?
The OP has to buy the speakers from somewhere. As if no one slimy has ever ran a web based audio business. AV123, anyone? Web based business and advertising isn't the most integrity filled industry, either. People misinform for money. Sometimes intentionally. Sometimes accidentally. Heck, you've done it several times in this thread, already - and in 1,000s of others.
- Again you insinuate that I have something to gain here. What on Earth are you talking about? Directly, I am asking you to connect the dots of me reading your BS post, pointing out it is BS, and then connect me try to, as you put it, "sell whatever makes life easiest and most profitable for YOU, not for the hapless and gullible consumer."
You won't connect those dots because you absolutely can't. I saw a guy getting god awful advice and stepped in to say it was BS. Not selling him anything at all. YOU NOW INSINUATING THAT HE OR ANY OTHER CONSUMER IS GULLIBLE IS INSULTING TO HIM. Why insult him as if he is not intelligent enough to read through and make his own decisions? This is your general opinion of people? And then YOU just think that YOU know better? That's disgusting.
- Lastly, sure, this forum has some snakes only looking to sell gear under the guise of offering help, yes. It's also filled with good enthusiasts, bad enthusiasts, good dealers looking to help, and everything in between. It's the largest A/V forum in the world. To make this an "us vs. them" forum would be to eliminate and ostracize actual professionals who give good advice. Your response to me and the post before it is shameful on so many levels.