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Question Help Finalizing My 3.1 Setup - Newbie

So I took time to stop at a Best Buy and listened to a few speaker setup in the Magnolia room. Now I need your input as to which to choose. My original plans were to purchase the Q Acoustics 3020i for L/R, and 3090 for Center. However I can't find a store to listen to the Q Acoustics.


I felt the Bowers & Wilkins 606 sound a bit better with a slight lead over the MartinLogan. But Bowers is also more expensive. The speakers I was able to test out at Best Buy were:

 
-MartinLogan Motion 15 L/R ($618 pair), and MartinLogan Motion 4 Center ($400).

-Bowers & Wilkins 606 L/R ($800 pair), and MartinLogan Motion 4 Center ($400).

-Bowers & Wilkins M-1 L/R ($500 pair), and Bowers &Wilkins HTM6 Center ($600)

 

It will go with a Denon x1500h receiver. The sub will be SVS PB-1000.

This is for a 12ft x 12ft bedroom second floor house. Which option should I go with? Feel free to mix and match to create my 3.1 system. This is for watching movies. Or are there other speaker options you guys recommend?

Will it be too powerful for my room?

Thanks

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So I took time to stop at a Best Buy and listened to a few speaker setup in the Magnolia room. Now I need your input as to which to choose. My original plans were to purchase the Q Acoustics 3020i for L/R, and 3090 for Center. However I can't find a store to listen to the Q Acoustics.


I felt the Bowers & Wilkins 606 sound a bit better with a slight lead over the MartinLogan. But Bowers is also more expensive. The speakers I was able to test out at Best Buy were:

 
-MartinLogan Motion 15 L/R ($618 pair), and MartinLogan Motion 4 Center ($400).

-Bowers & Wilkins 606 L/R ($800 pair), and MartinLogan Motion 4 Center ($400).

-Bowers & Wilkins M-1 L/R ($500 pair), and Bowers &Wilkins HTM6 Center ($600)

 

It will go with a Denon x1500h receiver. The sub will be SVS PB-1000.

This is for a 12ft x 12ft bedroom second floor house. Which option should I go with? Feel free to mix and match to create my 3.1 system. This is for watching movies. Or are there other speaker options you guys recommend?

Will it be too powerful for my room?

Thanks
It sounds like you liked both with a slight edge to the B&Ws but there is a less expensive alternative using the Martin Logan LX16s which are identical to the Motion 15s though the latter has a sloped top.

Pair of LX16s in black from Crutchfield, ($10/box returns within 60 days), are $480 and the Motion 8 center is $279 on Amazon and is larger than the Motion 4, (which actually isn't a horizontal center).

So $679 total which would allow you to upgrade to the SB2000 sealed sub which is physically smaller than the ported PB1000 and would be better in a small room and better if music is part of the mix.

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)

The SB2000 should have better maximum volumes at all frequencies due to its larger amp and larger woofer.

The Monoprice 12" 500 watt sealed sub just about matches the output of the Monoprice 10" 500 watt ported sub for example.

As the SVS has more power than the smaller ported sub I'm assuming the difference would be greater...but I have that question posed to Ed Mullen of SVS just to make sure for you.

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Might want to look at HSU with their horn bookshelf speakers and center - I think all in would be about $600. Would allow for you to get a second sub for the room.
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Might want to look at HSU with their horn bookshelf speakers and center - I think all in would be about $600. Would allow for you to get a second sub for the room.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/speakerpkg.html 3.0 set is what you'd want.

You could also consider their "hybrid" packages. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html Their VTF-2 Mk5 sub is probably significant better than a PB-1000.

Unfortunately, they are not auditionable, unless you live near Hsu Research. Hsu doesn't offer free return shipping.
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It will go with a Denon x1500h receiver. The sub will be SVS PB-1000.

This is for a 12ft x 12ft bedroom second floor house. Which option should I go with? Feel free to mix and match to create my 3.1 system. This is for watching movies. Or are there other speaker options you guys recommend?

Will it be too powerful for my room?

Thanks

Response from Ed Mullen of SVS:

"In a smaller enclosed room, the SB-2000 has the potential to extend very deep with room gain included - deeper than the PB-1000.

The SB-2000 will outgun the PB-1000 in the mid/upper bass ranges, but will fall a bit short in the 18-36 Hz octave. With that said, room gain will augment the low-end output capability, making this mostly a moot point.

If floor space is at a premium and the playback level isn't super high - the SB-2000 usually makes more sense in the smaller enclosed rooms and can deliver a no-compromise experience in all respects."
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Try the Motion 16 as recommended above

Another option is NHT C1 speakers -- sold each
https://www.amazon.com/NHT-2-Way-Boo.../dp/B019PZ95J2

NHT C-LCR
https://www.amazon.com/NHT-Center-Ch...tronics&sr=1-4

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http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/speakerpkg.html 3.0 set is what you'd want.

You could also consider their "hybrid" packages. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2mk5pkg.html Their VTF-2 Mk5 sub is probably significant better than a PB-1000.

Unfortunately, they are not auditionable, unless you live near Hsu Research. Hsu doesn't offer free return shipping.
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Might want to look at HSU with their horn bookshelf speakers and center - I think all in would be about $600. Would allow for you to get a second sub for the room.


Unfortunately since I they aren't available for listening and the return is not free I would have to pass on them. Thanks for the suggestion.
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It sounds like you liked both with a slight edge to the B&Ws but there is a less expensive alternative using the Martin Logan LX16s which are identical to the Motion 15s though the latter has a sloped top.

Pair of LX16s in black from Crutchfield, ($10/box returns within 60 days), are $480 and the Motion 8 center is $279 on Amazon and is larger than the Motion 4, (which actually isn't a horizontal center).

So $679 total which would allow you to upgrade to the SB2000 sealed sub which is physically smaller than the ported PB1000 and would be better in a small room and better if music is part of the mix.

300watts =15w19h20d= 46 lbs 10" [18hz] $499 SVS PB1000, (extension from Sound & Vision Review)

500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $649 SVS SB2000 outlet, (extension from Sound & Vision)

The SB2000 should have better maximum volumes at all frequencies due to its larger amp and larger woofer.

The Monoprice 12" 500 watt sealed sub just about matches the output of the Monoprice 10" 500 watt ported sub for example.

As the SVS has more power than the smaller ported sub I'm assuming the difference would be greater...but I have that question posed to Ed Mullen of SVS just to make sure for you.

Thanks for your reply. Since the LX16 has a significant savings over the Motion 15's and Bowers & Wilkins 606 I am leaning to the LX16. However I've read the Motion 8 doesn't pair well with the LX16. Recommendation Motion 30 is much better paired with the LX16. I know the Motion 30 are much more expensive but maybe I can start with 2.0 and upgrade later.

What do you think of this set up? Hope it's not too powerful for my 12 ft x 12 ft room on the second floor.

L/R: ML LX16 - ($478)
C: Motion 30 - ($559)
Sub: SB2000 - ($700)
Denon x1500h

Does it matter which speaker wires I use? Any good recommendations?

Thanks
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Thanks for your reply. Since the LX16 has a significant savings over the Motion 15's and Bowers & Wilkins 606 I am leaning to the LX16. However I've read the Motion 8 doesn't pair well with the LX16. Recommendation Motion 30 is much better paired with the LX16. I know the Motion 30 are much more expensive but maybe I can start with 2.0 and upgrade later.

What do you think of this set up? Hope it's not too powerful for my 12 ft x 12 ft room on the second floor.

L/R: ML LX16 - ($478)
C: Motion 30 - ($559)
Sub: SB2000 - ($700)
Denon x1500h

Does it matter which speaker wires I use? Any good recommendations?

Thanks
I think you are right about the Motion 30 center. The LX16 and Motion 30 both have the same types of drivers.

LX16
1" x 1.4" Folded Motion™ tweeter for exceptional musical detail with low distortion
5-1/4" black aluminum-cone woofer with cast basket

Motion 30
1" x 1.4" Folded Motion™ tweeter for exceptional musical detail with low distortion
two 5-1/2" aluminum-cone woofers with cast baskets

Safe and Sound has a open box for less.

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Thanks for your reply. Since the LX16 has a significant savings over the Motion 15's and Bowers & Wilkins 606 I am leaning to the LX16. However I've read the Motion 8 doesn't pair well with the LX16. Recommendation Motion 30 is much better paired with the LX16. I know the Motion 30 are much more expensive but maybe I can start with 2.0 and upgrade later.

What do you think of this set up? Hope it's not too powerful for my 12 ft x 12 ft room on the second floor.

L/R: ML LX16 - ($478)
C: Motion 30 - ($559)
Sub: SB2000 - ($700)
Denon x1500h

Does it matter which speaker wires I use? Any good recommendations?

Thanks
I have the Motion 8 as my center in my secondary room, much much larger room than yours, and, to be honest, it works great.

Monoprice is the best place to get you cables.

I bought my LX16s from these guys and they are first rate.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy this trade in Motion 30 from them.

https://hifiheaven.net/shop/MartinLo...xoCdkYQAvD_BwE

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It will go with a Denon x1500h receiver. The sub will be SVS PB-1000.
This is for a 12ft x 12ft bedroom second floor house. Which option should I go with? Feel free to mix and match to create my 3.1 system. This is for watching movies. Or are there other speaker options you guys recommend? Will it be too powerful for my room?
Three bookshelf speakers with the PB1000 should be great for watching movies in a room that size.

You could try out the HTD Level 3 speakers, which have a similar tweeter as the Martin Logans, and provides free return shipping:
https://www.htd.com/Products/Speaker...three-speakers

Also, the Martin Logan LX16 are available from crutchfield.com for $240 each with $10 flat rate return shipping...order 3 of them and use the 3rd as your center (ideally, standing up and vertically aligned with the L/R).

Best bang for your buck would be 3 x NHT SuperOnes from Amazon (very easy returns especially if you're a Prime member) for about $300 shipped.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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Thanks for your reply. Since the LX16 has a significant savings over the Motion 15's and Bowers & Wilkins 606 I am leaning to the LX16. However I've read the Motion 8 doesn't pair well with the LX16. Recommendation Motion 30 is much better paired with the LX16. I know the Motion 30 are much more expensive but maybe I can start with 2.0 and upgrade later.

What do you think of this set up? Hope it's not too powerful for my 12 ft x 12 ft room on the second floor.

L/R: ML LX16 - ($478)
C: Motion 30 - ($559)
Sub: SB2000 - ($700)
Denon x1500h

Does it matter which speaker wires I use? Any good recommendations?

Thanks
EDIT: NEVER MIND IT MUST HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE BY WORLDWIDE STEREO AS THE E'MAIL I JUST GOT SAYING THEY HAD SUBWOOFER DEALS ON THE PB12 AND SB12 NOW SHOW "OUT OF STOCK."

Just FYI, the slightly less powerful SVS SB12 is available again for a mind blowing $399.

In your small room you give up a bit of maximum potential volume that you may never need in the first place.

https://www.worldwidestereo.com/cate...ubwoofer-deals

500watts =14w15h17d= 35 lbs 12" [19hz] $700 SVS SB2000, (extension from Sound & Vision)

400watts =15w14h14d= 35 lbs 12" [21hz] $400 SVS SB12 NSD, (extension from Audioholics Review)

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So my situation changed. I've found a pair of BW 606 on offerup in my area for $600. With that price I think it's a no brainer to go with BW 606 over the LX16. I will test the speakers in a couple days and if it's good I'll take them.

So my new setup:

Now:
AVR - Denon x2500h
L/R - BW 606

Future Addition:
Center - BW HTM72 or ML Motion 30?
Sub - SB-2000


What do you guys think?
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So my situation changed. I've found a pair of BW 606 on offerup in my area for $600. With that price I think it's a no brainer to go with BW 606 over the LX16. I will test the speakers in a couple days and if it's good I'll take them.

So my new setup:

Now:
AVR - Denon x2500h
L/R - BW 606

Future Addition:
Center - BW HTM72 or ML Motion 30?
Sub - SB-2000


What do you guys think?
Sure.

Why not the Bowers & Wilkins HTM6 for center channel?

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So my situation changed. I've found a pair of BW 606 on offerup in my area for $600. With that price I think it's a no brainer to go with BW 606 over the LX16. I will test the speakers in a couple days and if it's good I'll take them.

What do you guys think?
I would order the LX16 anyway, so that you can do a direct AB comparison against the B&W. I wouldn't be able to resist the $10 flat rate return shipping in exchange for 100% certainty, in this case.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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Sure.

Why not the Bowers & Wilkins HTM6 for center channel?
I didn't see the HTM6. How is it compared to the HTM72?
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I would order the LX16 anyway, so that you can do a direct AB comparison against the B&W. I wouldn't be able to resist the $10 flat rate return shipping in exchange for 100% certainty, in this case.
You're right. Best to compare the two at home. However the only downside is the BW 606 I am buying on OfferUp is non refundable. So I'll be stuck with it even if I like the LX16.
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You're right. Best to compare the two at home. However the only downside is the BW 606 I am buying on OfferUp is non refundable. So I'll be stuck with it even if I like the LX16.
well, I'm afraid that is the downside of buying used.

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I didn't see the HTM6. How is it compared to the HTM72?
Not much from what I can tell.

Maybe the additional weight is partly due to heavier magnets on the woofers????

Product highlights: HTM6
1" Decoupled Double Dome aluminum tweeter
dual 5" Continuum™ cone woofers
vented cabinet with rear-firing port
includes two-piece foam port plug for adjusting the speaker's low-frequency performance
frequency response: 72-28,000 Hz (±3dB)
sensitivity: 87 dB
impedance: 8 ohms
maximum amplifier power: 120 watts
gold-plated dual binding post speaker terminals allow bi-amping or bi-wiring
acoustically transparent, removable magnetic grille
Dimensions and warranty:
18-15/16"W x 6-3/8"H x 11-1/16"D
weight: 17.2 lbs.
warranty: 5 years

Product highlights: HTM72 S2
2-way design
1" Decoupled Carbon Dome™ tweeter
dual 5" Continuum™ cone bass/midranges
vented cabinet with rear-firing Flowport™
includes two-piece foam port plug for adjusting the speaker's low-frequency performance
frequency response: 70-28,000 Hz (±3dB)
sensitivity: 87 dB
impedance: 8 ohms
power handling: 30-120 watts
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acoustically transparent, removable magnetic grille
Dimensions and warranty:
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weight: 20.1 lbs.
warranty: 5 years

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