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Dialogue too quiet, music/noise too loud

I have a 5.1 setup, Klipsch speakers, Denon X1300W AVR.
I measured in the room with Audyssey.
Now when the dialogue is at a pleasant level, the noises & music are way too loud.
If I set the volume so that noises and music are pleasant, the dialogue is way too quiet.

What and where can I make changes to bring both sides on to the same level?
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I have a 5.1 setup, Klipsch speakers, Denon X1300W AVR.
I measured in the room with Audyssey.
Now when the dialogue is at a pleasant level, the noises & music are way too loud.
If I set the volume so that noises and music are pleasant, the dialogue is way too quiet.

What and where can I make changes to bring both sides on to the same level?
there is a "dialog adjust" setting in the audio menu... you can bump it up there.
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Awesome, thank you, I'll check it out!
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Also, if you haven't acoustically treated your room, look into that.
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Turn the center trim up a few dB, and the whole receiver volume down a few ticks. 90% of content dialogue goes through the center if I remember correctly.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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If the center channel speaker is not well placed, you will have trouble hearing dialog. Be sure it is in an open space, at the front of whatever furniture it is sitting on and angled so that the sound is directed to your seated ear height.

It's a VIRTUAL channel unless stated otherwise.
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I have a 5.1 setup, Klipsch speakers, Denon X1300W AVR.
I measured in the room with Audyssey.
Now when the dialogue is at a pleasant level, the noises & music are way too loud.
If I set the volume so that noises and music are pleasant, the dialogue is way too quiet.

What and where can I make changes to bring both sides on to the same level?
How is your center placed? In a cabinet cubbyhole? on top of the cabinet? above the TV?
Which Klipsch center and speakers?

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You can try turning on "Dynamic Volume" and setting it to "Light" if you haven't already. I find it greatly helps to bring up center channel volume in relation to the rest, especially at lower volume listening levels.

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I usually balance my 5.1 setups dead nuts ~80dbA +/- 0.5 via SPL meter and/or Audessey plus manual SPL check, then bump up the front center 3-6db depending on room, seating and speaker characteristics, but usually no less than 3db or more than 6dbA
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The "dialogue adjust" did the trick, I put it up by 6.5dB, and now everything is balanced.
Thanks everybody!
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does anyone know if the dialogue adjuster has the same drawbacks that the sub level adjuster has?
(NOT talking about the TEST TONE trim adjustments)
where when you turn the SUB LVL adjustment on, it resets your trim to "0" and then adds from there..

i wouldn’t want to use the dialogue adjuster if it did.

obviously it’s not a big a deal with the speakers as it is with the sub but i’d just like to know
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does anyone know if the dialogue adjuster has the same drawbacks that the sub level adjuster has?
(NOT talking about the TEST TONE trim adjustments)
where when you turn the SUB LVL adjustment on, it resets your trim to "0" and then adds from there..

i wouldn’t want to use the dialogue adjuster if it did.

obviously it’s not a big a deal with the speakers as it is with the sub but i’d just like to know
I think the dialog adjuster works the same as increasing the trim on the center channel, but I could be wrong.
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I think the dialog adjuster works the same as increasing the trim on the center channel, but I could be wrong.


i’d hope that at the very least it isolates the voice only and only boosts that aside from everything (like me just turning up the trim level..
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i’d hope that at the very least it isolates the voice only and only boosts that aside from everything (like me just turning up the trim level..

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Dialog clarity comes up all the time, it seems. The points about center channel placement and acoustic treatment are good, as are the tips on dynamic volume and trim level adjustments.

Some additional thoughts:
- Be alert to any obstructions like chairs, tables, ottomans between the center channel and where you sit. Try moving them to see if it helps.
- The Dolby web site offers guidance on where all speakers should be located, and that can be important. For example, if the L/R channels too close to the center, they can overwhelm the center channel dialog.
- Center channel quality is crucial. If dialog isn't easy to hear and understand when other speakers are idle, well, that's not good. Start with checking the configuration settings, position, etc. But at the end of the day, it could mean the center you have isn't good enough for your needs.
- Source audio quality is all over the map. The best I've heard are some 4k blu rays which can sound great. Other times, not so much. The same is true for other disks, streamed content, cable / sat, and over-the-air broadcast TV. There's even variability in dialog clarity for different shows on the same TV channel, or the same show on two different TV channels. Ugh. This is a pretty common issue without a lot of great options.
- There is also the general problem of hearing loss that many people struggle with that complicates dialog clarity issues. (No specific advice here, just something to consider.)

When approaching this problem, IME many small incremental changes can have a huge impact though it can be time consuming. It took months to do all of this in my system. In the end, it was a worthwhile investment of time.

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Another factor is personal preference. Some viewers are more focused on sound effects than dialog. And in the case of some movies you aren't missing all that much if you have a hard time hearing the dialog.
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Good advice here. One more factor to add that I more recently discovered. If you have dynamic EQ enabled it boosts surrounds quite a bit and this can interfere with center channel intelligibility. Lowering surround levels if you otherwise like dynamic eq can help. I knew about the surround boost but never really realized it's affect on dialogue.
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so basically the dialogue adjuster is the same as turning up the trim level for center channel.

tested it out at that’s exactly what it seems like, not specific frequency’s from what i can tell.
only the the much higher end denon increase the frequency for voice only
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so basically the dialogue adjuster is the same as turning up the trim level for center channel.

tested it out at that’s exactly what it seems like, not specific frequency’s from what i can tell.
only the the much higher end denon increase the frequency for voice only

Yes, that is my understanding as well.
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so basically the dialogue adjuster is the same as turning up the trim level for center channel.
What would be the point of it if it was the same?

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What would be the point of it if it was the same?


possibly simplicity for ppl that don’t individually adjust each speaker trim,
it’s easier.

also on the droid and apple applications the only option is the dialogue adjust, can’t do the levels under test tone from the apps.

just like how there are 2 subwoofer adjusters too (the one next to dialogue or the trim level one)

and on the more expensive x6500 people say it actually does different things
(only increases certain sound frequencies that affect voices)
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Dialog on TV and in movies is soooooo inconsistent. Commercials are almost always crystal clear. I blame the mixing engineers for poor dialog more than any speaker that I have used.
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If the center channel speaker is not well placed, you will have trouble hearing dialog. Be sure it is in an open space, at the front of whatever furniture it is sitting on and angled so that the sound is directed to your seated ear height.
I had the same issue earlier and this ^ is what helped as well as setting center to +3dB.
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