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Are the JTR Noesis 215RT + 215RM overkill?

These will be going into a 120-130 sqft living room with vaulted ceilings. Lowest point is 10 ft and highest is 16-17ft. Opens into the kitchen. Thinking about this purchase to future proof a future house purchase. Thoughts? I had a pair of Klipsch La Scala's in the same living room and it sounded excellent.

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Are the JTR Noesis 215RT + 215RM overkill?

Well in short, unless you like listening at 130dB, yes.

But how can you possibly put those in your living room? I’m guessing you don’t have a wife....

And if your LaScalas sound great, why change it...?

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Maybe look at PSA or maybe even Ascend Acoustics. Probably better for a room that size.
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Well in short, unless you like listening at 130dB, yes.

But how can you possibly put those in your living room? I’m guessing you don’t have a wife....

And if your LaScalas sound great, why change it...?
Out of my league, but, out of curiosity, I looked them up. Sacré mèrde! dual 15" woofers, 72" tall, 213 lbs each.

I wonder what a matching sub would be?
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These will be going into a 120-130 sqft living room with vaulted ceilings. Lowest point is 10 ft and highest is 16-17ft. Opens into the kitchen. Thinking about this purchase to future proof a future house purchase. Thoughts? I had a pair of Klipsch La Scala's in the same living room and it sounded excellent.

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There is no such thing as overkill on this site.

There are forum members here with those speakers in smaller rooms than yours. Head to the JTR forum and ask there. Depending on your amplification and your bass preference you may not need any subs.

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Out of my league, but, out of curiosity, I looked them up. Sacré mèrde! dual 15" woofers, 72" tall, 213 lbs each.

I wonder what a matching sub would be?
Captivator 4000 http://jtrspeakers.com/captivator-4000ulf.html
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Out of my league, but, out of curiosity, I looked them up. Sacré mèrde! dual 15" woofers, 72" tall, 213 lbs each.



I wonder what a matching sub would be?

Even with all the money in the world, I wouldn’t buy these. Sorry!

They have their own matching subs, but I think a proper matching sub would be the ZOD M.A.U.L. Quad 19” 6th order bandpass sub with heavy output across the whole bandwidth. Made by Ricci himself, for himself

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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i HIGHLY recommend going with JTR speakers. They also make some fantastic bookshelves, such as the 110HT, that I run as LCR in a dedicated theater. Honestly, they are all that i NEED, I feel no need to upgrade to their towers, but this hobby isnt really rational, so who knows. One bonus that comes along with the 110HTs is that they are WAF approved, here is a photo of one of mine beside a 65" OLED. If you decide to get the bookshelves and later want to move to towers, you can move them back and make them surrounds.
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Don’t sell the JTR 228HTRs short. They are considered bookshelves at 26.5” tall. I run these (LCR) with JTR 2400 subs and they are more than my living room can handle. You will love JTRs!
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Well in short, unless you like listening at 130dB, yes.

But how can you possibly put those in your living room? I’m guessing you don’t have a wife....

And if your LaScalas sound great, why change it...?
It was time for a change, however I will own a pair of the LS II's one day.

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Two 18" drivers? Seems a little puny.
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These will be going into a 120-130 sqft living room with vaulted ceilings. Lowest point is 10 ft and highest is 16-17ft. Opens into the kitchen. Thinking about this purchase to future proof a future house purchase. Thoughts? I had a pair of Klipsch La Scala's in the same living room and it sounded excellent.
I do believe the 215RTs are overkill. I would only go that route if you weren't going to utilize subwoofers. The 210RTs are plenty for even very large spaces. The 212RTs are likely the kind of future-proof overkill you are seeking. I prefer the RTs to the HTRs. I've found the RT's have much better chest slamming mid-bass and the increased extension should make integration with subs easier.
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These will be going into a 120-130 sqft living room with vaulted ceilings. Lowest point is 10 ft and highest is 16-17ft. Opens into the kitchen. Thinking about this purchase to future proof a future house purchase. Thoughts? I had a pair of Klipsch La Scala's in the same living room and it sounded excellent.
JTR Noesis 215RTs/RMs are the company's cost no object, top of the line creation. They are really really good.

If you are using them like La Scalas (as in no sub), the 215RTs do dig much lower.
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[QUOTE=thisgsx;58454360]These will be going into a 120-130 sqft living room with vaulted ceilings. Lowest point is 10 ft and highest is 16-17ft. Opens into the kitchen. Thinking about this purchase to future proof a future house purchase. Thoughts? I had a pair of Klipsch La Scala's in the same living room and it sounded excellent.
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Zzzz.....huzzah.....what?

OK, you have LaScalas in your small living room--would the RTs be overkill? Uhhhh, no... not really. Time to put on the "justification hat" because the RTs are not as efficient as the LaScalas! Granted, you'll have far more power handling and deep bass response below 20 Hz as LaScalas die by the mid 50's range so in the end, if you throw more power at them (MOAR POWAH!) you can get around the same or more peak SPL.

Time for 18's class on convincing yourself that your cheese has not slid off the cracker--the Justification Class!

1. They can produce massive SPL which is not needed--because you are a "realist". You do gain lower distortion though, the point of audio equipment in the first place as they will blow your hearing and break drywall before they ever start showing signs of strain. Pat yourself on the back and yell "Getter Done!" for this discovery.

2. The much higher efficiency of the speaker compared to most other speakers mean you are using less power and creating less heat. Less power means you are "saving the planet" as your system is now "green" so put an energy star on your new speakers! Also, since it is very efficient, this means less heat which requires less air conditioning to remove the heat in the room. Less AC means less noise from the vents which improve sound quality and a better audio experience! (Getter Done Round 2!)

(Better have a few drinks before reading number 3)

3. They weigh around 200 pounds or so each which prevents accidentally knocking them over--a very good idea when having small children in the area. The little creatures and do a full on flace plant into the speakers and not knock them over. This is a big safety concern--you are "saving the children" so that makes you a humanitarian!

Overkill? This IS AVS, since you already have LaScalas--your new speakers are a "step down" in efficiency so the RTs are more "grown up" than the LaScalas--you get the underkill award. After all, there is an AVS'er that built seven 1899's--they have two 18's per box and he has SEVEN of them--because he needs 8 eighteens just for surround duty. That sets the bar for overkill higher, you won't be using those RTs for surrounds so it is perfectly reasonable and shows signs of restraint.

That is the Cliff Notes version of "Audio Justification 101" provided by 18. It is not denial if you believe it. (kudos to Saul Goodman for that nugget)

Overkill? Not likely... just another way to keep distortion low, preventing unneeded power consumption and to protect the children.

(The preceeding message has not been endorsed by anyone--use at your own risk and aim away from face.)

Enjoy your new system and keep between the curbs.
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