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Question regarding Atmos 7.1.4 srtup

Hi, I have a 7.1 Setup and i'm thinking to upgrade to Atmos 4 ceiling speakers but I have a question where will the wires be insert on the https://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/products...5e-137838.html Amplifier all the speakers output are used ? or i'll need to Bi-amp ?

And another question please right now I'm watching a lot of movies that has two audio stream:

1- Atmos 7.1
2- Dolby EX 6.1 which it outputs to 7.1 and i use Dolby Surround for option.

I keep switching between Atmos and Dolby EX to hear the difference. When i'm watching on Atmos ( I know i don't have the speakers but it could still be played) I barely hear effects or surround coming from either the Surround backs or the Surrounds all effects at the front towers.

When playing the dolby EX even if its only 6.1 I could tell its much better I hear 360* sounds effects thunders gun shot etc.. from my back surrounds going all the way down to the fronts its like i'm in a real cinema I can't tell which speakers is currently playing because sound all over the room.

I know some will say then just stick what you like, but i'm trying to only understand why is the difference, is't that Atmos effects will be only coming from the high new Atmos speakers ? no use of the surround backs for effects ? if yes then not worth the upgrade thats why im telling this to understand the Atmos first before upgrading YouTube videos won't let me able to 100% hear the channel source so i tried.

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Hi, I have a 7.1 Setup and i'm thinking to upgrade to Atmos 4 ceiling speakers but I have a question where will the wires be insert on the https://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/products...5e-137838.html Amplifier all the speakers output are used ? or i'll need to Bi-amp ?

That receiver can't process 4 Atmos channels, only 2. If it runs 7.1, then it can't process any Atmos at all.....
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Hi, I have a 7.1 Setup and i'm thinking to upgrade to Atmos 4 ceiling speakers but I have a question where will the wires be insert on the https://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/products...5e-137838.html Amplifier all the speakers output are used ? or i'll need to Bi-amp ?

And another question please right now I'm watching a lot of movies that has two audio stream:

1- Atmos 7.1
2- Dolby EX 6.1 which it outputs to 7.1 and i use Dolby Surround for option.

I keep switching between Atmos and Dolby EX to hear the difference. When i'm watching on Atmos ( I know i don't have the speakers but it could still be played) I barely hear effects or surround coming from either the Surround backs or the Surrounds all effects at the front towers.

When playing the dolby EX even if its only 6.1 I could tell its much better I hear 360* sounds effects thunders gun shot etc.. from my back surrounds going all the way down to the fronts its like i'm in a real cinema I can't tell which speakers is currently playing because sound all over the room.

I know some will say then just stick what you like, but i'm trying to only understand why is the difference, is't that Atmos effects will be only coming from the high new Atmos speakers ? no use of the surround backs for effects ? if yes then not worth the upgrade thats why im telling this to understand the Atmos first before upgrading YouTube videos won't let me able to 100% hear the channel source so i tried.

Thanks
You will need to upgrade the AVR to a 9 or 11 channel receiver.
Denon AVR X-4400/4500H
Marantz SR-6012/6013
Onkyo TX-RZ630 or higher
Yamaha RX-A2070/2080
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Hi, I have a 7.1 Setup and i'm thinking to upgrade to Atmos 4 ceiling speakers but I have a question where will the wires be insert on the https://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/products...5e-137838.html Amplifier all the speakers output are used ? or i'll need to Bi-amp ?

And another question please right now I'm watching a lot of movies that has two audio stream:

1- Atmos 7.1
2- Dolby EX 6.1 which it outputs to 7.1 and i use Dolby Surround for option.

I keep switching between Atmos and Dolby EX to hear the difference. When i'm watching on Atmos ( I know i don't have the speakers but it could still be played) I barely hear effects or surround coming from either the Surround backs or the Surrounds all effects at the front towers.

When playing the dolby EX even if its only 6.1 I could tell its much better I hear 360* sounds effects thunders gun shot etc.. from my back surrounds going all the way down to the fronts its like i'm in a real cinema I can't tell which speakers is currently playing because sound all over the room.

I know some will say then just stick what you like, but i'm trying to only understand why is the difference, is't that Atmos effects will be only coming from the high new Atmos speakers ? no use of the surround backs for effects ? if yes then not worth the upgrade thats why im telling this to understand the Atmos first before upgrading YouTube videos won't let me able to 100% hear the channel source so i tried.

Thanks
You will need to upgrade the AVR to a 9 or 11 channel receiver.
Denon AVR X-4400/4500H
Marantz SR-6012/6013
Onkyo TX-RZ630 or higher
Yamaha RX-A2070/2080
Thanks i’ll be getting one soon then, but since the Onkyo RZ-630 runs a AccuEQ I’ll need to switch now but haven’t used any Yamaha or denon before are they similar the setup settings or i’ll find a hard time in the beginning?
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Thanks i’ll be getting one soon then, but since the Onkyo RZ-630 runs a AccuEQ I’ll need to switch now but haven’t used any Yamaha or denon before are they similar the setup settings or i’ll find a hard time in the beginning?
Denon's are very user friendly. The Menus are easy to access for any adjustments you want to make. There will be a learning curve with audyssey, but there is a lot of very useful information in the audyssey thread. I have very limited experience with Yamaha, but from what I've heard isn't too complicated either.

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Denon's are very user friendly. The Menus are easy to access for any adjustments you want to make. There will be a learning curve with audyssey, but there is a lot of very useful information in the audyssey thread. I have very limited experience with Yamaha, but from what I've heard isn't too complicated either.
Thanks i'll be trying the Denon then I did some re-search found out also Denon are the way to go. I'm familiar with audyssey my old Amp was running audyssey so no worries. The AccuEQ are shi*y system not worth it at all even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it learned from my mistake.

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my 7.1 setup is Jamo should I get my new 2 speakers also jamo or its fine if i went another brand ? im thinking klipsch
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Thanks i'll be trying the Denon then I did some re-search found out also Denon are the way to go. I'm familiar with audyssey my old Amp was running audyssey so no worries. The AccuEQ are shi*y system not worth it at all even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it learned from my mistake.

Thanks for the help
I'd still take the free AVR. You don't have to use it. You can always re-sell it or use it in a different setup.

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Thanks i'll be trying the Denon then I did some re-search found out also Denon are the way to go. I'm familiar with audyssey my old Amp was running audyssey so no worries. The AccuEQ are shi*y system not worth it at all even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it learned from my mistake.

Thanks for the help
To be fair, I think a lot of the issues you were/are having with AccuEQ is more to do with your speaker placement (i.e. having a couch *directly* in front of your left tower, which was blocking more than half of the drivers, so the mic was really only picking up sound coming from the tweeter and thinking it was a significantly less capable speaker by setting a ridiculously high crossover point... amongst other various issues plaguing your space).

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Thanks i'll be trying the Denon then I did some re-search found out also Denon are the way to go. I'm familiar with audyssey my old Amp was running audyssey so no worries. The AccuEQ are shi*y system not worth it at all even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it learned from my mistake.

Thanks for the help
To be fair, I think a lot of the issues you were/are having with AccuEQ is more to do with your speaker placement (i.e. having a couch *directly* in front of your left tower, which was blocking more than half of the drivers, so the mic was really only picking up sound coming from the tweeter and thinking it was a significantly less capable speaker by setting a ridiculously high crossover point... amongst other various issues plaguing your space).
Hey Hi again Ryan, yeah i agree but thats like 50%. Because I have searched in this forum and many people facing my exact issue with the AccuEQ just type AccuEQ and the search tool and you will be shocked from the results. Thanks for passing again
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I'd still take the free AVR. You don't have to use it. You can always re-sell it or use it in a different setup.
I think the OP was saying that he doesn't want an Onkyo AVR because of the poor? Accu-EQ...
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Hey Hi again Ryan, yeah i agree but thats like 50%.
Maybe, but I am certain that the issues in your room, and speaker placement has a lot to do with your problems with AccuEQ. I know anecdotal accounts aren't much proof of anything, but from a personal standpoint, the only time AccuEQ has ever set a crossover point at 120Hz+ for me was when I had very small HTiB speakers hooked up.

That being said, if you're more comfortable with Audyssey, go with that instead. I would be curious to see the results you get running that calibration software compared to AccuEQ.

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I think the OP was saying that he doesn't want an Onkyo AVR because of the poor? Accu-EQ...
I agree that audyssey is better, but if they're offering a free amp...take it. He can do whatever he likes with it after that.

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I agree that audyssey is better, but if they're offering a free amp...take it. He can do whatever he likes with it after that.
He said "even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it". Onkyo did NOT offer him a free AVR. That made me assume that he does not want another Onkyo...
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Hey Hi again Ryan, yeah i agree but thats like 50%.
Maybe, but I am certain that the issues in your room, and speaker placement has a lot to do with your problems with AccuEQ. I know anecdotal accounts aren't much proof of anything, but from a personal standpoint, the only time AccuEQ has ever set a crossover point at 120Hz+ for me was when I had very small HTiB speakers hooked up.

That being said, if you're more comfortable with Audyssey, go with that instead. I would be curious to see the results you get running that calibration software compared to AccuEQ.
To be honest I’m too i just want to see the difference im pretty sure you’ll be amazed.

Quick noby question Ryan, if a movie has two audio stream 1- is 7.1 and 2- is 5.1 and my system is 7.1 when i play the 5.1 it outputs to 7.1 but what are the difference between them WHILE listening/playing the source I know the difference in general but I couldn’t see the difference in the experience it self.
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I agree that audyssey is better, but if they're offering a free amp...take it. He can do whatever he likes with it after that.
He said "even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it". Onkyo did NOT offer him a free AVR. That made me assume that he does not want another Onkyo...
I got pase22 idea hahahaha I would do that to re-sell it but my point was never as a main Amp.
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To be honest I’m too i just want to see the difference im pretty sure you’ll be amazed.

Quick noby question Ryan, if a movie has two audio stream 1- is 7.1 and 2- is 5.1 and my system is 7.1 when i play the 5.1 it outputs to 7.1 but what are the difference between them WHILE listening/playing the source I know the difference in general but I couldn’t see the difference in the experience it self.
No idea, I only have a 5.1 set up, so I couldn't give you any opinion on the difference. If I were to guess, though, if you've opted for the 5.1 stream with your 7.1 set up, I imagine that all of the surrounds play the same signal rather than each of the surround types handling different signals in the full 7.1 audio stream.

If you are having a hard time discerning the difference, that could be speaker placement I believe the ideal placement for surrounds is 1-2 feet above ear level, and pointed at your main listening position. https://www.crutchfield.ca/S-qdII46G...g&awug=9001332

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He said "even if Onkyo called me them self and offer me a new Amp for free I won't take it". Onkyo did NOT offer him a free AVR. That made me assume that he does not want another Onkyo...
Yep....misread that! my apologies.

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To be honest I’m too i just want to see the difference im pretty sure you’ll be amazed.

Quick noby question Ryan, if a movie has two audio stream 1- is 7.1 and 2- is 5.1 and my system is 7.1 when i play the 5.1 it outputs to 7.1 but what are the difference between them WHILE listening/playing the source I know the difference in general but I couldn’t see the difference in the experience it self.
Your AVR would upmix to 7.1 if setup as such.

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