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djdwosk97 09-09-2019 09:16 PM

Center channel upgrade help
 
Worthwhile center channel upgrade from Panasonic Ramsa WS-A500?

The main focus is TV/Movies and the current setup is a 5.1 system composed of Panasonic Ramsa WS-A500's and a WS-A550 for the sub. The center channel is enclosed in a cabinet. I'm wondering how much a worthwhile center channel upgrade would be and what would be worthwhile upgrading to.

Ryan Statz 09-09-2019 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by djdwosk97 (Post 58536504)
Worthwhile center channel upgrade from Panasonic Ramsa WS-A500?

The main focus is TV/Movies and the current setup is a 5.1 system composed of Panasonic Ramsa WS-A500's and a WS-A550 for the sub. The center channel is enclosed in a cabinet. I'm wondering how much a worthwhile center channel upgrade would be and what would be worthwhile upgrading to.

I will start by asking what your budget is, and then others with more knowledge will be able to chime in on recommendations for you.

torii 09-09-2019 09:37 PM

a soundbar is a good upgrade from tv sound speakers. it is normally not a close match for avr and bookshelves. if you get a samsung/vizio/bose soundbar it may be enough...but wont be on same level as cheapo avr and cheapo bookshelves.

djdwosk97 09-09-2019 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Statz (Post 58536522)
I will start by asking what your budget is, and then others with more knowledge will be able to chime in on recommendations for you.

I don't necessarily have a specific budget in mind aside from nothing too crazy. I'm also not exactly sure how much would need to be spent for it to even be a worthwhile upgrade.

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Originally Posted by torii (Post 58536540)
a soundbar is a good upgrade from tv sound speakers. it is normally not a close match for avr and bookshelves. if you get a samsung/vizio/bose soundbar it may be enough...but wont be on same level as cheapo avr and cheapo bookshelves.

I already have a 5.1 setup.

Ryan Statz 09-09-2019 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by djdwosk97 (Post 58536566)
I don't necessarily have a specific budget in mind aside from nothing too crazy. I'm also not exactly sure how much would need to be spent for it to even be a worthwhile upgrade.


I already have a 5.1 setup.

What do you define as nothing too crazy?

torii 09-09-2019 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by djdwosk97 (Post 58536566)
I don't necessarily have a specific budget in mind aside from nothing too crazy. I'm also not exactly sure how much would need to be spent for it to even be a worthwhile upgrade.


I already have a 5.1 setup.

ok, didnt recognize that. when I lived in japan panasonic made top stuff. however Im not in the know on their gear now.

fbov 09-09-2019 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Statz (Post 58536572)
What do you define as nothing too crazy?

The Ramsa WS-500 is a 12" pro-style speaker with 99dB sensitivity and 200W power handling. He has 5 of them. For a lot of folks, we're already well into crazy.

And that greatly limits the OP's options; very few designs can keep up, and the ones that do will sound similar... because they are. It's already the same CC as the rest of the speakers; what's to upgrade?

What don't don't you like about what you have now?

HAve fun,
Frank

djdwosk97 09-10-2019 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fbov (Post 58536754)
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Originally Posted by Ryan Statz (Post 58536572)
What do you define as nothing too crazy?

The Ramsa WS-500 is a 12" pro-style speaker with 99dB sensitivity and 200W power handling. He has 5 of them. For a lot of folks, we're already well into crazy.

And that greatly limits the OP's options; very few designs can keep up, and the ones that do will sound similar... because they are. It's already the same CC as the rest of the speakers; what's to upgrade?

What don't don't you like about what you have now?

HAve fun,
Frank

It's someone else that's looking to upgrade and I suspect it might be because he assumes a center must be a special special speaker with extended range relative to the rest.

That said, I'm not really sure how a WS A500 stacks up and what would actually be considered an upgrade. I've always assumed that they weren't the best speakers, just that they were designed to get loud.

djdwosk97 09-11-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fbov (Post 58536754)
The Ramsa WS-500 is a 12" pro-style speaker with 99dB sensitivity and 200W power handling. He has 5 of them. For a lot of folks, we're already well into crazy.

And that greatly limits the OP's options; very few designs can keep up, and the ones that do will sound similar... because they are. It's already the same CC as the rest of the speakers; what's to upgrade?

What don't don't you like about what you have now?

HAve fun,
Frank

Any idea as to where the WS-500 sits or a ballpark of how much a worthy upgrade would be?

fbov 09-11-2019 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by djdwosk97 (Post 58537324)
...I'm not really sure how a WS A500 stacks up...

On paper, it's hard to match its output, and sensitive speakers have characteristics that some folks love. The fact that you use 5 of the same means there is unlikely to be a CC that fits better. However, I suspect those speakers are not the kind my ears favor.

How do I know?

I went to several DIY speaker events years ago. The speaker designers who attend bring together a wide range of design approaches. By listening carefully to a wide range of designs, your preferences can become apparent. Every speaker is a tradeoff, the first step is finding which tradeoffs sound best to you. That gives you have a basis for comparison.
http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...s-mi-sept-2019

Find out what you like first, then start looking for good implementations. I'm on my 5th CC, but I was cheap, and it cost me... but my wife ended up happy with it.

Have fun,
Frank

djdwosk97 09-12-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fbov (Post 58545680)
On paper, it's hard to match its output, and sensitive speakers have characteristics that some folks love. The fact that you use 5 of the same means there is unlikely to be a CC that fits better. However, I suspect those speakers are not the kind my ears favor.

How do I know?

I went to several DIY speaker events years ago. The speaker designers who attend bring together a wide range of design approaches. By listening carefully to a wide range of designs, your preferences can become apparent. Every speaker is a tradeoff, the first step is finding which tradeoffs sound best to you. That gives you have a basis for comparison.
http://techtalk.parts-express.com/fo...s-mi-sept-2019

Find out what you like first, then start looking for good implementations. I'm on my 5th CC, but I was cheap, and it cost me... but my wife ended up happy with it.

Have fun,
Frank

I know he's listened to and liked electrostatic Martin Logans the best of any of the speakers that he's heard, but that's a *bit* out of any sensible budget.

fbov 09-12-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by djdwosk97 (Post 58549550)
I know he's listened to and liked electrostatic Martin Logans ...

ML e-statics are dipole speakers, very sensitive to room placement, and used in pairs, for stereo. Kind of the polar opposite of WS-A500s. They'd make a peculiar 5.1 system.
Frank

djdwosk97 09-13-2019 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fbov (Post 58550474)
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Originally Posted by djdwosk97 (Post 58549550)
I know he's listened to and liked electrostatic Martin Logans ...

ML e-statics are dipole speakers, very sensitive to room placement, and used in pairs, for stereo. Kind of the polar opposite of WS-A500s. They'd make a peculiar 5.1 system.
Frank

Yeah, they're also out of budget and not an option anyway.

But I don't expect he'll have much of an opportunity to go to a testing, so that's also not going to help unfortunately.

fbov 09-13-2019 08:41 PM

What paths to such knowledge can you recommend?

RayGuy 09-13-2019 08:51 PM

Doesn't matter how much you spend, or how good a speaker is, if you place it badly. Pull the center out of the furniture. Sound better?

If you still want to "upgrade":

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-RP-50...SIN=B07G3B5W8Y

fbov 09-14-2019 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RayGuy (Post 58555072)
Doesn't matter how much you spend, or how good a speaker is, if you place it badly. Pull the center out of the furniture. Sound better?

If you still want to "upgrade": Klipsch-RP-504C-Center-Channel-Speaker

Placement is certainly important, but this is only an upgrade if you have a liking for horn speakers such as this and the OP's system. That's why it's important to listen with one's own ears, to find which trade-offs are more favorable to your aural sensibilities. Only you know what sounds good to you.

HAve fun,
Frank

RayGuy 09-14-2019 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fbov (Post 58558980)
Placement is certainly important, but this is only an upgrade if you have a liking for horn speakers such as this and the OP's system. That's why it's important to listen with one's own ears, to find which trade-offs are more favorable to your aural sensibilities. Only you know what sounds good to you.

HAve fun,
Frank

His current speakers are horns. I assume he likes them, otherwise he would be looking to replace more than just the center. Although I would never have a horn speaker in my home, it's his taste that matters, not mine or yours. The selection of horn speakers in a typical center channel configuration (long and narrow) is surprisingly few, thus the Klipsch rec. That said, we are in agreement in that the OP needs to hear it for himself and decide if he likes the sound and if it is sufficiently similar in character to his current speakers to keep it around.

cocrh 09-14-2019 08:35 PM

The PSA 110C or 210C might be a good center for that setup. Better quality than the Ramsa I'd guess.


https://www.powersoundaudio.com/coll...oducts/mt-110c
https://www.powersoundaudio.com/coll...ducts/mtm-210c


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