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Speaker placement help - surrounds or atmos? - pics inside

The room is an all purpose media room (movies, TV, games) 18.5 x 21 x 9 and is already finished so ceiling speakers are out of the question.


Side speakers - can be either surrounds wall mounted at ear level or atmos elevations mounted high on wall.



Rear speakers- can be either surrounds wall mounted at ear level or up high aiming down or atmos elevations mounted high on wall. Rear seating row can be pulled about 1' from the back wall


So I am thinking that this will either be 7.2 or 5.2.2 ?


Looking for the best sounding setup given room limitations.
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The room is an all purpose media room (movies, TV, games) 18.5 x 21 x 9 and is already finished so ceiling speakers are out of the question.


Side speakers - can be either surrounds wall mounted at ear level or atmos elevations mounted high on wall.



Rear speakers- can be either surrounds wall mounted at ear level or up high aiming down or atmos elevations mounted high on wall. Rear seating row can be pulled about 1' from the back wall


So I am thinking that this will either be 7.2 or 5.2.2 ?


Looking for the best sounding setup given room limitations.


Not an expert at all but I have similar room size and set up but slightly smaller with 2 rows elevated seating as well (3 seats per row), Room dimensions 17 x 14 x 9.

I have 7.1. But have you considered 7.1.2 with front elevations that way you have just need additional speakers wires at the front (no need for snaking wires) etc.

I was thinking of this but have a bulk head vent at the front which messes things up a bit.


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The room is an all purpose media room (movies, TV, games) 18.5 x 21 x 9 and is already finished so ceiling speakers are out of the question.


Side speakers - can be either surrounds wall mounted at ear level or atmos elevations mounted high on wall.



Rear speakers- can be either surrounds wall mounted at ear level or up high aiming down or atmos elevations mounted high on wall. Rear seating row can be pulled about 1' from the back wall


So I am thinking that this will either be 7.2 or 5.2.2 ?


Looking for the best sounding setup given room limitations.
You could do side surrounds in the lower position and rear surrounds on the side wall beside the second row. If you do 5.2.2, you'd need dipoles to cover both rows of seating and the height channels would likely sound best on the front wall. The only issue is that dipoles are not recommended in an atmos setup. Those with more experience will chime in.

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5.1.4 with bipoles for the surrounds and Height speakers for front and rear Atmos.
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You could do side surrounds in the lower position and rear surrounds on the side wall beside the second row. If you do 5.2.2, you'd need dipoles to cover both rows of seating and the height channels would likely sound best on the front wall. The only issue is that dipoles are not recommended in an atmos setup. Those with more experience will chime in.

Thank you for your thoughts. If I put the rear surrounds at ear level on the side walls on the back row, will they be effective for front row listening?
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5.1.4 with bipoles for the surrounds and Height speakers for front and rear Atmos.

Why would I need bipoles for the side surrounds? Are you assuming mounting them at ear level on the side of the first row?
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Not an expert at all but I have similar room size and set up but slightly smaller with 2 rows elevated seating as well (3 seats per row), Room dimensions 17 x 14 x 9.

I have 7.1. But have you considered 7.1.2 with front elevations that way you have just need additional speakers wires at the front (no need for snaking wires) etc.

I was thinking of this but have a bulk head vent at the front which messes things up a bit.


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I have not considered front elevations, not sure I can sell those on the wife on the front wall. In this configuration are you assuming side and rear surrounds at ear level?
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I have not considered front elevations, not sure I can sell those on the wife on the front wall. In this configuration are you assuming side and rear surrounds at ear level?
I'd just do one set of dipole side surrounds and do front and rear height in a 5.1.4 configuration.
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I have not considered front elevations, not sure I can sell those on the wife on the front wall. In this configuration are you assuming side and rear surrounds at ear level?


That’s what I was thinking. I have dipole surrounds and monopole rear.


That being said I have not really heard a proper home Atmos system. The only Atmos I have heard is at the local IMAX where I see most of my movies.


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Thanks, I will look into dipoles. I am still kind of lost between which channels would be better as surrounds or atmos, and where ideal placement should be. I will do some more research.



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That’s what I was thinking. I have dipole surrounds and monopole rear.


That being said I have not really heard a proper home Atmos system. The only Atmos I have heard is at the local IMAX where I see most of my movies.


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Thanks, I will look into dipoles. I am still kind of lost between which channels would be better as surrounds or atmos, and where ideal placement should be. I will do some more research.
I am no expert, just spend a lot of time reading all the great advice on here and and dolby papers etc. Some say dipoles are fine in smaller rooms where seating is close to the speakers, I personally like mine as my room is not big and only a few feet from the side surrounds. I also read that some are fine with dipole on sides with atmos, others swear by monopoles only. I think I would rather have better well laid out 7.1 or 5.1 and then add atmos as an improvement after.

In your situation, I would definitely do side surrounds (assuming your first row is the main row, and the back row is overflow, which is what I have). And then decide if you want the rear as rear surround or atmos, but I think rear atmos only makes sense in your position if you have front atmos / elevation so you end up with 5.1.4? If you don't have the front atmos/elevation it probably makes more sense to have rear surround and end up with 7.1?

An older article on dipoles (pre-atmos)
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Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. However, I may use rear elevation speakers aimed down as the rear surrounds so they are not too close to the rear row.



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I am no expert, just spend a lot of time reading all the great advice on here and and dolby papers etc. Some say dipoles are fine in smaller rooms where seating is close to the speakers, I personally like mine as my room is not big and only a few feet from the side surrounds. I also read that some are fine with dipole on sides with atmos, others swear by monopoles only. I think I would rather have better well laid out 7.1 or 5.1 and then add atmos as an improvement after.

In your situation, I would definitely do side surrounds (assuming your first row is the main row, and the back row is overflow, which is what I have). And then decide if you want the rear as rear surround or atmos, but I think rear atmos only makes sense in your position if you have front atmos / elevation so you end up with 5.1.4? If you don't have the front atmos/elevation it probably makes more sense to have rear surround and end up with 7.1?

An older article on dipoles (pre-atmos)
http://www.d-toolsblog.com/newslette...nds-71-system/
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Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. However, I may use rear elevation speakers aimed down as the rear surrounds so they are not too close to the rear row.


I have bookshelf speakers and was going to put them on a bracket and that way I can adjust the angle as I see fit. I was recommended these

B-Tech BT777 Ultragrip Pro clamping loundspeaker wall mount.

In the end I just put them in the back corner of the room and angled in because did not have enough room behind the back row. Not ideal but still sound good and as if coming from behind me. Apparently it is harder to localize sounds from behind vs in front.


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