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My home theater room setup with projector screen leaves me with about 30" from the floor to the bottom of the projector screen, and my projector takes up the entire wall so I do not have room for tower speakers on either side of the screen. I can run bookshelf L/R speakers but would have to run 10-12" speaker stands for them to sit on to keep me under 30" tall. Another option would be to run 3 speakers horizontally for L/R/C. Anyone running horizontal L/C/R? What are some good options for speakers to go this route and would there be any degradation to go this route vs bookshelf speakers on short stands?
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You should be okay, just avoid MTM designs. There are some "bookshelves" that go mighty loud though, how far away are you seating positions? Also budget?
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What is your budget?
Budget is flexible, but would like to stay $3K for all 3 speakers up front or less.
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You should be okay, just avoid MTM designs. There are some "bookshelves" that go mighty loud though, how far away are you seating positions? Also budget?
$3K budget for the front 3 speakers or less. My seating position is 11 feet for the first row of chairs and about 15' second row.
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$3K budget for the front 3 speakers or less. My seating position is 11 feet for the first row of chairs and about 15' second row.
Triad has a lot of options in different configurations. The reason I like their center is the tweeter isn't right smack in the middle of the woofers, it's placed higher to reduce lobbing
https://www.triadspeakers.com/produc...bronze-center/
Maybe @Dawn Gordon can chime in with other Triad options. I wish I could price check Triads easier for you, but I'm pretty certain those are well within your budget.


If you want more efficiency you could look at Power Sound Audio:
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I'm a bit worried for the second row because the speakers would fire into the front row. Is the second row used a lot?
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My home theater room setup with projector screen leaves me with about 30" from the floor to the bottom of the projector screen, and my projector takes up the entire wall so I do not have room for tower speakers on either side of the screen. I can run bookshelf L/R speakers but would have to run 10-12" speaker stands for them to sit on to keep me under 30" tall. Another option would be to run 3 speakers horizontally for L/R/C. Anyone running horizontal L/C/R? What are some good options for speakers to go this route and would there be any degradation to go this route vs bookshelf speakers on short stands?
RSL CG23 & CG25 can be used in a triple horizontal configuration. You didn't list your budget so here's both, pick one:

https://rslspeakers.com/products/new...enter-channel/

https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg2...enter-channel/

EDIT: Just saw you said you budget was 3k$, in that case, definitely go for the CG25 x 3. These don't fill up your budget, but they aren't very many that I personally know of that work fine in a horizontal config.

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$3K budget for the front 3 speakers or less. My seating position is 11 feet for the first row of chairs and about 15' second row.
Triad has a lot of options in different configurations. The reason I like their center is the tweeter isn't right smack in the middle of the woofers, it's placed higher to reduce lobbing
https://www.triadspeakers.com/produc...bronze-center/
Maybe @Dawn Gordon can chime in with other Triad options. I wish I could price check Triads easier for you, but I'm pretty certain those are well within your budget.


If you want more efficiency you could look at Power Sound Audio:
https://www.powersoundaudio.com/coll...oducts/mt-110c


I'm a bit worried for the second row because the speakers would fire into the front row. Is the second row used a lot?
The second row will be used about 50% of the time. I wondered if using 3 horizontal speakers with them angled up towards the listening area would be best. One option Inam considering are the Chane a2.4 all horizontal but will consider all options.
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My home theater room setup with projector screen leaves me with about 30" from the floor to the bottom of the projector screen, and my projector takes up the entire wall so I do not have room for tower speakers on either side of the screen. I can run bookshelf L/R speakers but would have to run 10-12" speaker stands for them to sit on to keep me under 30" tall. Another option would be to run 3 speakers horizontally for L/R/C. Anyone running horizontal L/C/R? What are some good options for speakers to go this route and would there be any degradation to go this route vs bookshelf speakers on short stands?
RSL CG23 & CG25 can be used in a triple horizontal configuration. You didn't list your budget so here's both, pick one:

https://rslspeakers.com/products/new...enter-channel/

https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg2...enter-channel/

EDIT: Just saw you said you budget was 3k$, in that case, definitely go for the CG25 x 3. These don't fill up your budget, but they aren't very many that I personally know of that work fine in a horizontal config.
Thanks! Would you recommend the CG5 bookshelves for the rear surrounds?
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The second row will be used about 50% of the time. I wondered if using 3 horizontal speakers with them angled up towards the listening area would be best. One option Inam considering are the Chane a2.4 all horizontal but will consider all options.
I'm not familiar with Chane. You just need to make sure your second row has a clear light of sight to the front LCRs, if the front row is blocking them that's a problem.
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Thanks! Would you recommend the CG5 bookshelves for the rear surrounds?
They are great and would for sure work for that!

EDIT: You could get this bundle:

https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg2...heater-system/

But their Subwoofer is sold out until October. You might want a different/bigger sub anyways. I did design a theater for my dad that had 2 of their subs and it does sound amazing, but being a 10" it juuuuust doesn't quite dig as deep as you'd want if you are a bass head (my dad isn't). That being said, it's probably one of the very best 10" subs you can get and is amazing for the price.

Rumor has it they have either a 12" or 15" on the way but nothing concrete yet.

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Thanks! Would you recommend the CG5 bookshelves for the rear surrounds?
They are great and would for sure work for that!

EDIT: You could get this bundle:

https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg2...heater-system/

But their Subwoofer is sold out until October. You might want a different/bigger sub anyways. I did design a theater for my dad that had 2 of their subs and it does sound amazing, but being a 10" it juuuuust doesn't quite dig as deep as you'd want if you are a bass head (my dad isn't). That being said, it's probably one of the very best 10" subs you can get and is amazing for the price.

Rumor has it they have either a 12" or 15" on the way but nothing concrete yet.
Thanks, think I have decided on the Rythmik F18 for the sub so got that covered.
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$3K budget for the front 3 speakers or less. My seating position is 11 feet for the first row of chairs and about 15' second row.
Before suggesting a Triad LCR solution I'm going to need to know the dimensions of your room (WDH).

I highly recommend going vertical rather than horizontal if possible. Also, Triad is well-known for its InWall speaker implementations, so you might wish to consider this as well.

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$3K budget for the front 3 speakers or less. My seating position is 11 feet for the first row of chairs and about 15' second row.
Before suggesting a Triad LCR solution I'm going to need to know the dimensions of your room (WDH).

I highly recommend going vertical rather than horizontal if possible. Also, Triad is well-known for its InWall speaker implementations, so you might wish to consider this as well.

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$3K budget for the front 3 speakers or less. My seating position is 11 feet for the first row of chairs and about 15' second row.
Before suggesting a Triad LCR solution I'm going to need to know the dimensions of your room (WDH).

I highly recommend going vertical rather than horizontal if possible. Also, Triad is well-known for its InWall speaker implementations, so you might wish to consider this as well.
My room is 12x22, 8' ceilings. The front of the room only has a 94" wide wall (other 4' of width is hallway) to put my projector screen and my screen takes up the entire wall so I do not have room to put speakers on either side of the screen so whatever I do has to go under the screen. I do not have a lot of room to raise my screen any higher without making the viewing angle uncomfortable so need a solution no higher than 30" tall if that makes sense.
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And now for something completely different: three Hsu CCB-8s. http://hsuresearch.com/products/ccbspkrpkg.html

They're coaxial speakers, with the advantages and problems of those. One of the advantages is that there is no "beaming" in any orientation.

Hsu recommends a large toe-in for LR. That disturbs some people.

I'm using CCB-8s for my fronts, and HB-1 Mk2s for the additional 4 base speakers.
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And now for something completely different: three Hsu CCB-8s. http://hsuresearch.com/products/ccbspkrpkg.html

They're coaxial speakers, with the advantages and problems of those. One of the advantages is that there is no "beaming" in any orientation.

Hsu recommends a large toe-in for LR. That disturbs some people.

I'm using CCB-8s for my fronts, and HB-1 Mk2s for the additional 4 base speakers.
Do they come with a grille?

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My room is 12x22, 8' ceilings. The front of the room only has a 94" wide wall (other 4' of width is hallway) to put my projector screen and my screen takes up the entire wall so I do not have room to put speakers on either side of the screen so whatever I do has to go under the screen. I do not have a lot of room to raise my screen any higher without making the viewing angle uncomfortable so need a solution no higher than 30" tall if that makes sense.
Why not frame out the wall and go acoustically transparent? Sounds expensive but it's literally 2x4s, below and above the screen you can just use clothe rather than drywall (and put insulation behind there for treatment).
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Do they come with a grille?
Yes. A rigid one.

It's not full sized; it just covers the drivers.

The yellow woofer cone shows through it to some degree.
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My room is 12x22, 8' ceilings. The front of the room only has a 94" wide wall (other 4' of width is hallway) to put my projector screen and my screen takes up the entire wall so I do not have room to put speakers on either side of the screen so whatever I do has to go under the screen. I do not have a lot of room to raise my screen any higher without making the viewing angle uncomfortable so need a solution no higher than 30" tall if that makes sense.
Why not frame out the wall and go acoustically transparent? Sounds expensive but it's literally 2x4s, below and above the screen you can just use clothe rather than drywall (and put insulation behind there for treatment).
If I didn't already have my screen I would consider it
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Ascend Acoustics recently launched the Luna Duo. They’re not on their website yet, but you can call or email to place your order. Someone posted a couple of pictures from the first production run here:

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/sho...nitor!/page107


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Ascend Acoustics recently launched the Luna Duo. They’re not on their website yet, but you can call or email to place your order. Someone posted a couple of pictures from the first production run here:

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Boggles my mind why manufacturers don't just update their website. It's really not that hard, even on Dave's 1990s-tier website.

I'd be more likely to recommend the MTs rather than the MTMs, and then have the tweeters in the inside, so prevent lobbing. Honestly I think the Triads would work better for this application if he goes MTM since the Triad's have accounted for the lobbing by moving the tweeter up. Just a hunch, and if he can't find measurements to compare, I'd say the Triads would be safer. The Ascends are great speakers but I think he is intending those to be just a center channel.
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Is there room above the screen? Given you have two rows, the front row will block the sound if the speakers are so low to the ground.
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I have about a foot above the screen but could lower the screen a bit if needed. If I did anything up top would want some in wall speakers for a cleaner look.
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DCM TP160 towers -- they are priced to move from former discount pricing -- 30-1/2 inches tall -- buy 3 and use one as a center -- DCM has good dynamics for movies and can take some power
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I have about a foot above the screen but could lower the screen a bit if needed. If I did anything up top would want some in wall speakers for a cleaner look.
I guess you could do angled in ceilings or something, but really you should probably just get an acoustically transparent screen and put some inwalls behind it.
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The second row will be used about 50% of the time. I wondered if using 3 horizontal speakers with them angled up towards the listening area would be best. One option Inam considering are the Chane a2.4 all horizontal but will consider all options.
Chane A2.4 is a fantastic speaker. I'd have no problem running three of them horizontally up front.
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If I were considering 3 horizontal LCR's, I'd want something with good horizontal dispersion. The person sitting in the left seat has to listen to the right speaker after all (and vice versa). I'd probably look for something with the type of configuration of the Polk LSiM 706c. A 3-way speaker with the mid and tweeter aligned vertically should have better (more consistent) horizontal dispersion because the crossover from the mid to the woofers can be pushed low enough that the woofers work as one, rather than creating interference patterns.

Of course, configuration isn't everything... there's also implementation.
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I agree with the previous poster, if you absolutely have to go horizontal, grab 3 centers like the Polk 704, 706, Revel C208 or alternatively get 3 KEF centers, the UniQ midrange has even dispersion in all directions, this will really be your best option. KEF R2c are 1199 but I'd bet if you bought 3 a local KEF dealer may give them to you for 3k for all 3. Whatever you decide, make sure to place them on short stands that put them as close to your screen as possible.
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My room is 12x22, 8' ceilings. The front of the room only has a 94" wide wall (other 4' of width is hallway) to put my projector screen and my screen takes up the entire wall so I do not have room to put speakers on either side of the screen so whatever I do has to go under the screen. I do not have a lot of room to raise my screen any higher without making the viewing angle uncomfortable so need a solution no higher than 30" tall if that makes sense.
Actually, based on your room size you would be just fine with Triad Bronze LCRs which are less expensive and smaller than Silver LCRs. If you want to see the Triad Room size guide I would be happy to email it to you.

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