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Small <800$ floorstanding speaker for music?

Hi! I have sourced out a couple of speakers and was hoping you could give me some input on which speakers gives the most bang for the buck here in Sweden!

I will have them as a 2.0 setup with my TV but music is where I care the most for the sound. I listen to a lot of acoustic music but what i want the most is a fast, punchy/hard bass for electronic music (this is what my current speakers lack). I'll be listening 3m/10feet away from the speakers.

So heres what the pricing looks like in Sweden:

Xtz spirit 11 is on sale for 4500kr
Monitor Audio Bronze 5 6000kr
q acoustics 3050 7000kr
Klipsch Reference R-610F 4000kr
Jamo s 805 3000kr
Jamo s 807 6000kr

Do any of you know how these compare? Thanks in advance!
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Hi! I have sourced out a couple of speakers and was hoping you could give me some input on which speakers gives the most bang for the buck here in Sweden!

I will have them as a 2.0 setup with my TV but music is where I care the most for the sound. I listen to a lot of acoustic music but what i want the most is a fast, punchy/hard bass for electronic music (this is what my current speakers lack).
What are your current speakers?
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What are your current speakers?
Some old Dynavoice challanger S-6. A cheap, obscure Swedish brand.. Basically huge "bookshelf" speakers, 6.5inch with dual tweeters
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Hi! I have sourced out a couple of speakers and was hoping you could give me some input on which speakers gives the most bang for the buck here in Sweden!

I will have them as a 2.0 setup with my TV but music is where I care the most for the sound. I listen to a lot of acoustic music but what i want the most is a fast, punchy/hard bass for electronic music (this is what my current speakers lack). I'll be listening 3m/10feet away from the speakers.

So heres what the pricing looks like in Sweden:

Xtz spirit 11 is on sale for 4500kr
Monitor Audio Bronze 5 6000kr
q acoustics 3050 7000kr
Klipsch Reference R-610F 4000kr
Jamo s 805 3000kr
Jamo s 807 6000kr

Do any of you know how these compare? Thanks in advance!
If music is important, I'd narrow down the list to Monitor audio and Q acoustics. If you're buying without hearing them first, Q acoustics 3050 is the safer bet.
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If music is important, I'd narrow down the list to Monitor audio and Q acoustics. If you're buying without hearing them first, Q acoustics 3050 is the safer bet.
Of course you recommend the most expensive ones hehe!

Yeah no nearby hi-fi store has any of the speakers in store for listening.. I heard they removed the monitor audio bronze from listening because everyone found them way to bright so they didn't sell..

Oh, these are available also:

Elac FS 77 7000kr
Elac debute F5.2 8000kr

Thanks for your input!
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Of course you recommend the most expensive ones hehe!

Yeah no nearby hi-fi store has any of the speakers in store for listening.. I heard they removed the monitor audio bronze from listening because everyone found them way to bright so they didn't sell..

Oh, these are available also:

Elac FS 77 7000kr
Elac debute F5.2 8000kr

Thanks for your input!
The Elac debut will have a more relaxed presentation. If you listen to alot faster upbeat music, the Q acoustics will be more lively and more exciting. The Elac debut are good speaker though.
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Of course you recommend the most expensive ones hehe!

Yeah no nearby hi-fi store has any of the speakers in store for listening.. I heard they removed the monitor audio bronze from listening because everyone found them way to bright so they didn't sell..

Oh, these are available also:

Elac FS 77 7000kr
Elac debute F5.2 8000kr

Thanks for your input!
Are Canton's available around you? Very good speakers made in Germany. The Canton Chrono floorstanding speakers are probably in your price range.
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Look for Canton in your area -- and I would keep XTZ on a short list
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The Elac debut will have a more relaxed presentation. If you listen to alot faster upbeat music, the Q acoustics will be more lively and more exciting. The Elac debut are good speaker though.
Thanks! Those where the first one i looked at actually. I'm gonna keep an eye out for a lower price on the 3050 since 3050i is out now!

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Are Canton's available around you? Very good speakers made in Germany. The Canton Chrono floorstanding speakers are probably in your price range.
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Look for Canton in your area -- and I would keep XTZ on a short list
I missed canton completely! There are loads of them:

Canton Chrono 509 DC 5300kr
Canton GLE 490 7000kr
Canton Chrono 517 7000kr
Canton GLE 496.2 8000kr
Canton GLE 496 8000kr
Canton Chrono 70 8000kr
Canton GLE 476.2 8300kr

No idea what all the numbers stands for Difference between GLE and Chrono?

Xtz are most known for their subs as far as i understand? Are their speakers well repuded? XTZ spirit 11 was 8000kr and is now on sale for 4500kr
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I missed canton completely! There are loads of them:

Canton Chrono 509 DC 5300kr
Canton GLE 490 7000kr
Canton Chrono 517 7000kr
Canton GLE 496.2 8000kr
Canton GLE 496 8000kr
Canton Chrono 70 8000kr
Canton GLE 476.2 8300kr

No idea what all the numbers stands for Difference between GLE and Chrono?

Xtz are most known for their subs as far as i understand? Are their speakers well repuded? XTZ spirit 11 was 8000kr and is now on sale for 4500kr
Numbers is for the model ID -- the Canton Chrono is an upper-level series over the GLE series

XTZ makes a lot of speakers and they are well reviewed and known for good work -- the same with Canton, and with the Canton, I would look at the Chrono 509
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Hi! I have sourced out a couple of speakers and was hoping you could give me some input on which speakers gives the most bang for the buck here in Sweden!

I will have them as a 2.0 setup with my TV but music is where I care the most for the sound. I listen to a lot of acoustic music but what i want the most is a fast, punchy/hard bass for electronic music (this is what my current speakers lack). I'll be listening 3m/10feet away from the speakers.

So heres what the pricing looks like in Sweden:

Xtz spirit 11 is on sale for 4500kr
Monitor Audio Bronze 5 6000kr
q acoustics 3050 7000kr
Klipsch Reference R-610F 4000kr
Jamo s 805 3000kr
Jamo s 807 6000kr

Do any of you know how these compare? Thanks in advance!
The Chrono 509 or XTZ Spirit at the very nice pricing you posted.

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Numbers is for the model ID -- the Canton Chrono is an upper-level series over the GLE series

XTZ makes a lot of speakers and they are well reviewed and known for good work -- the same with Canton, and with the Canton, I would look at the Chrono 509
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The Chrono 509 or XTZ Spirit at the very nice pricing you posted.
Thanks for you input! I've been reading some reviews and doing some thinking. Both the q acoustics and the XTZs are a just a bit to big depth-wise.

Do you think a bookshelf-speaker will produce enough bass for me in my room? (3.8x4.6m) How much difference in the punch do you think it is between say the spirit 4 bookshelf and the spirit 11 floorstanding?

The thing about my current bookshelf-speakers is that they go deep enough in the bass if i bass-boost them a little on the amplifier, its just that they are SOO uneven. In most song theres no punch in the bass, and in some songs and especially in movies they really come alive. I guess the frequency-response isnt that flat? They do deep bass pretty well, but the kick-bass in songs not so well.

I've also looked on the second hand-market and the q acoustic 3050 are also on sale for 5500kr now. These are the alternatives now:

Q acoustics 3050 5500kr
Xtz spirit 11 4500kr
Xtz spirit 4 3000kr
monitor audio silver rx6 4400kr
Tannoy Mercury V4i 2000/2700kr
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Thanks for you input! I've been reading some reviews and doing some thinking. Both the q acoustics and the XTZs are a just a bit to big depth-wise.

Do you think a bookshelf-speaker will produce enough bass for me in my room? (3.8x4.6m) How much difference in the punch do you think it is between say the spirit 4 bookshelf and the spirit 11 floorstanding?

The thing about my current bookshelf-speakers is that they go deep enough in the bass if i bass-boost them a little on the amplifier, its just that they are SOO uneven. In most song theres no punch in the bass, and in some songs and especially in movies they really come alive. I guess the frequency-response isnt that flat? They do deep bass pretty well, but the kick-bass in songs not so well.

I've also looked on the second hand-market and the q acoustic 3050 are also on sale for 5500kr now. These are the alternatives now:

Q acoustics 3050 5500kr
Xtz spirit 11 4500kr
Xtz spirit 4 3000kr
monitor audio silver rx6 4400kr
Tannoy Mercury V4i 2000/2700kr

Q Acoustics and XTZ are still on your list though you said they are too big/deep so I'm a bit confused.

The Monitor Audios would be a great choice.

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Q Acoustics and XTZ are still on your list though you said they are too big/deep so I'm a bit confused.

The Monitor Audios would be a great choice.
They are just a bit too big, might look strange in the room. But if floorstanders makes a huge difference from comparable bookshelfs its worth it, do they?
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If these speakers are "too deep", that tells me you want to shove them up against a wall. Not a good way to treat your speakers. Most speakers love a bit a room around them, some more than others. If you are limited to backs against the wall, then you should not consider floorstanding speakers, as you will end up with boomy bass. Better to go with front-ported bookshelf speakers in that configuration, and live with the lack of bass. Better no bass than boomy bass.

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The Monitor Audio punch WAY above the weight class IMO. They sounded phenomenal for their size.
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Monitor Audio Silver bookshelf will have some nice bass
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If these speakers are "too deep", that tells me you want to shove them up against a wall. Not a good way to treat your speakers. Most speakers love a bit a room around them, some more than others. If you are limited to backs against the wall, then you should not consider floorstanding speakers, as you will end up with boomy bass. Better to go with front-ported bookshelf speakers in that configuration, and live with the lack of bass. Better no bass than boomy bass.
True, i have them as far out from the wall as possibly without looking too silly, but its still only 15-20 cm out from the wall. Can you put the speakers closer to the wall if you plug the ports?

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They are just a bit too big, might look strange in the room. But if floorstanders makes a huge difference from comparable bookshelfs its worth it, do they?
How deep are your current speakers?

To have the punchy bass you are looking for in a bookshelf it would need at least as large a driver as your current 6.5" main driver in your bookshelves.

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How deep are your current speakers?

To have the punchy bass you are looking for in a bookshelf it would need at least as large a driver as your current 6.5" main driver in your bookshelves.
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Been doing some listening in stores now. I didn't like the sound of q acoustics 3050i. The bass, while deep, wasn't tight and punchy at all. And the treble was to safe and boring i think. This was with a marantz pm8006

I also listened to Triangle Elara LN-05A. These where a joke, sounded like they would cost 1/5 of their price. Complete lack of even higher bass frequencies. I've never even heard cheap, small bookshelf speakers do bass this bad??

I really liked Dali oberon 5 and 7 with nad amps! What other brands would you say sound more like Dalis??
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Been doing some listening in stores now. I didn't like the sound of q acoustics 3050i. The bass, while deep, wasn't tight and punchy at all. And the treble was to safe and boring i think. This was with a marantz pm8006

I also listened to Triangle Elara LN-05A. These where a joke, sounded like they would cost 1/5 of their price. Complete lack of even higher bass frequencies. I've never even heard cheap, small bookshelf speakers do bass this bad??

I really liked Dali oberon 5 and 7 with nad amps! What other brands would you say sound more like Dalis??
Have you tried out the Elac Debut 6.2s? Monitor Audio Bronze 2s?

Wharfedale Reva 2 could be another option as could KEF Q150.

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Been doing some listening in stores now. I didn't like the sound of q acoustics 3050i. The bass, while deep, wasn't tight and punchy at all. And the treble was to safe and boring i think. This was with a marantz pm8006

I also listened to Triangle Elara LN-05A. These where a joke, sounded like they would cost 1/5 of their price. Complete lack of even higher bass frequencies. I've never even heard cheap, small bookshelf speakers do bass this bad??

I really liked Dali oberon 5 and 7 with nad amps! What other brands would you say sound more like Dalis??
You have your winner right there! Since you really liked what you heard with the Dali's Get the Oberon and NAD. Case closed!

If they're a bit over budget, give the Dali Zensor a go.

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Have you tried out the Elac Debut 6.2s? Monitor Audio Bronze 2s?

Wharfedale Reva 2 could be another option as could KEF Q150.
No, Im very interested in hearing them! But they didn't have any of them connected for listening so I will have to make an appointment for a preview of them.

Since Im interesting in floor standers I'm guessing Debut F5.2 and Bronze 5 will do?
How is wharfedale diamond floor standers?
Kef q550 is pretty common to see on the used market. Do they sound like Dalis you think? More detailed in the treble and tight bass?

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You have your winner right there! Since you really liked what you heard with the Dali's Get the Oberon and NAD. Case closed!

If they're a bit over budget, give the Dali Zensor a go.
The thing is that the chainstore selling both Dali and NAD in Scandinavia has exclusive rights to sell them, so they aren't really competitively priced.

I think I will try to find some speakers on sale or second hand. After a quick scan of the market i found:
Kef q550 for 6000kr
Dali zensor 5 and 7 4000kr
Monitor audio bronze 5 5000kr

I've also found Polk audio signatures S50 and s55 are pretty cheap for around 4000kr new, are they any good?

Its so hard to know how much different speakers are worth compared to each other..
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No, Im very interested in hearing them! But they didn't have any of them connected for listening so I will have to make an appointment for a preview of them.

Since Im interesting in floor standers I'm guessing Debut F5.2 and Bronze 5 will do?
How is wharfedale diamond floor standers?
Kef q550 is pretty common to see on the used market. Do they sound like Dalis you think? More detailed in the treble and tight bass?



The thing is that the chainstore selling both Dali and NAD in Scandinavia has exclusive rights to sell them, so they aren't really competitively priced.

I think I will try to find some speakers on sale or second hand. After a quick scan of the market i found:
Kef q550 for 6000kr
Dali zensor 5 and 7 4000kr
Monitor audio bronze 5 5000kr

I've also found Polk audio signatures S50 and s55 are pretty cheap for around 4000kr new, are they any good?

Its so hard to know how much different speakers are worth compared to each other..
Given your experience with the Dalis, The Zenzors may be the safer bet. That said, the Kef and MA are well reviewed and would be good options as well.

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No, Im very interested in hearing them! But they didn't have any of them connected for listening so I will have to make an appointment for a preview of them.

Since Im interesting in floor standers I'm guessing Debut F5.2 and Bronze 5 will do?
How is wharfedale diamond floor standers?
Kef q550 is pretty common to see on the used market. Do they sound like Dalis you think? More detailed in the treble and tight bass?



The thing is that the chainstore selling both Dali and NAD in Scandinavia has exclusive rights to sell them, so they aren't really competitively priced.

I think I will try to find some speakers on sale or second hand. After a quick scan of the market i found:
Kef q550 for 6000kr
Dali zensor 5 and 7 4000kr
Monitor audio bronze 5 5000kr

I've also found Polk audio signatures S50 and s55 are pretty cheap for around 4000kr new, are they any good?

Its so hard to know how much different speakers are worth compared to each other..
The Polk Signature have been said by one member to sound similar to the Q Acoustics.

I agree that Dali+NAD would be a great combo, and hard to beat.

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I A/B'd the Monitor Audio Silver 100 and Revel Concerta2 m16.

the Monitor Audio certainly had deeper bass extension but the Concerta2's M16's bass was a lot punchier/faster. The M16's soundstage/imaging was also leaps and bounds better.

The Revel's soundstage rival'd most floorstanders in the demo room that day.

I was honestly disappointed with the monitor audio silver 100's.

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C / Fluance Signature Series, SX6, XL5F/ Mirage M-190 / DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-II
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I A/B'd the Monitor Audio Silver 100 and Revel Concerta2 m16.

the Monitor Audio certainly had deeper bass extension but the Concerta2's M16's bass was a lot punchier/faster. The M16's soundstage/imaging was also leaps and bounds better.

The Revel's soundstage rival'd most floorstanders in the demo room that day.

I was honestly disappointed with the monitor audio silver 100's.
Yes, the Revels are better speakers

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Yes, the Revels are better speakers
and cheaper too !

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C / Fluance Signature Series, SX6, XL5F/ Mirage M-190 / DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-II
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