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Why are speaker stands so expensive?

The KEF LS50 is less than $1000. The stands about $500.

Now it's not hard to imagine the work and the money put in to make the LS50 speakers.

The stands on the other hand - a 15 year old can make in his garage.

Yet they charge almost half the money for them as for the speakers. Not 5%, not 10% - 50%.

How do they justify this?

I mean theyre not handmade back in Kent, United Kingdom are they? If each and everyone of them was made by hand by a blacksmith, who put his family name on them, and been making them on an anvil for generations I could see them charging a bit for them (not anywhere near $500 of course)

I bought a handmade chopping block made out of oak the other day, absolutely beautiful! 100% handmade, real work of art. it cost me $200.
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Couldn't tell you, I just picked up sanus stands. Only thing that bugs me is that the area where my RP600M's sit is quite a bit smaller than the speakers base. Has tempted me to upgrade my fronts so I can move my towers to the back and put bookshelf speakers somewhere else.
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Logistics, storage space, risks, profit -it's all reflected in the price.
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That sounds incredibly steep to me also. I bought a really nice Bowers/Wilkins setup. The center channel had a BW stand made specifically for that extremely heavy center and I think it was $400... and that’s a BW stand. It’s insanely heavy and metal. I’d be very curious to know why yours is so pricey also.


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Almost all the big name companies gouge you on speaker stands. Paradigm is absolutely ridiculous too. Some matching stands tend to be more aesthetic to the particular speaker, and you're paying for that and the name. But Monoprice sells some decent looking stands cheap. And for looks I settled on two pairs of Edifiers. One in each color to match their rooms. Just make sure to check the top plate dimension.
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Because they can!

Some people want everthing to "match" so why not make more profit from the stands than you do the speakers? Sure, most people won't purchase the stands but for those that "matching" is critical--they willl pay the price. Go to Best Buy and buy a TV, they always push for a $100 HDMI cord to "make it better" because they make more money selling you a cord than they do from selling the TV. Same with cars, they don't make much selling a basic car but clean up selling the "upgrades" and toys, as you know. Why should speakers be any different? If people will blow $100 on a $5 HDMI card, why not make that cash on speaker stands, wire or whatever slse?

I have a speaker stand--it is a 4 legged bar stool made out of oak and looks really nice. Not only will it hold my speaker, I can use it to hold up big, fat butts to house the inlaws when they visit. Those creatures come to visit, I put a sand bag on the bottom legs supports so their hell spawn won't knock over the bar stools and gravity check my speakers. When I reconfigure the HT system, I could eliminate the need for those stands and re-use them for stools--for the win.

The last time I went into an audio only store (decades ago) I wanted a pair of $2,000 speakers. The salesmen was more interested in if my amp "was good enough" for hhe speakers and that I really needed to "upgrade my cables". After all, you need to spend at least 10% of the total system cost on cables so it "matches". I tired of the audiophile preacher, did not want to join the audiophile temple of wire so left the store without purchasing the speakers. I don't purchase floor mats or undercoating/paint protection either but I don't blame them to try. We all have to eat and pay billls and accessories is where the money is. The audiophile outlet became a pizza joint within 2 years and they were pushing bread sticks--same game.

No worries these days, I just click the icon and my goodies get shipped to my door. No more pushing cables, power conditioners, speaker stands or the "TK421 mod" to improve the bass (name the movie!) Since the stores have to compete, they tend to cut their margins on actual equipment and make it up with accessories like speakers stands, wire, gimmics, DACs and other useless but very high profit items. Along the lines of floor mats, french fries and wire--sell the highest profit items first is rule one.

$500 for a speaker stand? I would love to hear the salesman try to sell that...put your hip wadders on. Now the TK421 mod to double the bass? Now THAT is worth the upgrade!

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They're only expensive because of the other marketing expenses they need in order to create and deliver the product, the stand. So you're just really paying for the convenience of having a readily available stand for your speakers.
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agree; it’s why I don’t buy their stands; I have Revel speakers who’s stands are ridiculous

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You could always make your own, or let someone build you some out of wood, steel or some other material. you will save a fortune.

I'll give you one little example, my old setup had Atlantic 8200e speakers, the stand for the front pair only was 1,500$! so that's 750$ each.

made my own and painted them black, cost me like 150$ (and this includes a custom stand/table for the 8200e center!) so saved 1,350$ at least here!


i did the same for my new setup, my four custom wall-mounted shelves for my JBL 708 speakers cost me like around 110-120$ with paint and all. and this is the total for all 4! better than buying each for at least 150-200$ online. so saved at least 500$ here.

no point in buying stands or mounts online honestly.

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You can always check eBay and craigslist too. I got some discontinued Energy speaker stands for $30 new in box.
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The KEF LS50 is less than $1000. The stands about $500.

Now it's not hard to imagine the work and the money put in to make the LS50 speakers.

The stands on the other hand - a 15 year old can make in his garage.

Yet they charge almost half the money for them as for the speakers. Not 5%, not 10% - 50%.

How do they justify this?

I mean theyre not handmade back in Kent, United Kingdom are they? If each and everyone of them was made by hand by a blacksmith, who put his family name on them, and been making them on an anvil for generations I could see them charging a bit for them (not anywhere near $500 of course)

I bought a handmade chopping block made out of oak the other day, absolutely beautiful! 100% handmade, real work of art. it cost me $200.
Because they put their name on it. They try to sell you that they're performance stands made specifically for the LS50, Persona B etc......They sell the stands at higher price to not devalue their brand. The $89 stands on Amazon will work just as well and won't be a detriment to sound quality

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It is just perceived value. You can spend hundreds for stands, just like you can cables or virtually any audio accessory. It is your choice.
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I haven't spent more than $75 for a pair of stands. Just like cables you can pay less, more or ridiculous prices. Some people are willing to pay $500 for a pair of stands, I'm not one of them.

If you really want KEF LS50 stands maybe you should look here?

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...um-pair/1.html

https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-pair/1.html

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This phenomenon isn't limited to audio gear. For example, the AC compressor failed on my aging Honda. A local dealer estimated the repair using an OEM part for close to $2K or a non-OEM part for about $1.6k. A third party estimated the cost using a non-OEM part at under $1k and included a 2 year warranty on the part.

Some OEM stands are crazy pricey. Some are less so. Shopping around or searching the used market might turn up bargains. And as others have said, there are lots of non-OEM stands available that work great for a lower price.

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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I stay away from the speaker manufacturer-specific stands because they're generally all way overpriced (unless on crazy closeout discount).

These look solid for the price:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24794

Also, the Kanto stands are decent as well, since the base is weighted with steel... although I don't love the narrow post look with larger speakers.
https://www.kantoaudio.com/speaker-a...ies/sp-series/
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Paid $150 for speaker stands for my Aerial 5T's. My dealer had a pair of discontinued Paradigm speaker stands he had in the back. Perfect fit for my speakers hight wise and very sturdy. Must weigh about 35 lbs. each. When looking for a speaker stand make sure the top has enough size so your speaker can easily sit on them. Also make sure they have some solid weight. You don't want a cheap stand that can easily tip over if you accidentally bump it. Also a plus if you can fill them w/sand or lead shot to give you extra mass.
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I stay away from the speaker manufacturer-specific stands because they're generally all way overpriced (unless on crazy closeout discount).

These look solid for the price:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24794

Also, the Kanto stands are decent as well, since the base is weighted with steel... although I don't love the narrow post look with larger speakers.
https://www.kantoaudio.com/speaker-a...ies/sp-series/
Sometimes the alternatives to speaker manufacturer stands create other challenges.

I have a Revel C208 center and the bottom of that thing is curved. It was situated on a Sound Anchors center channel stand but the screw-in feet for the speaker were short and very close to the edge of the stand support plate. One nudge would mean the speaker exterior would contact the steel support plate yielding a nasty scar on the speaker. I used big wads of Blu Tac for a while, and that worked but it had a really low SAF. End of story: a Revel center channel stand now supports that speaker. It works fine and looks good but wow, not cheap!

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Here are your $450 KEF LS stands; 10lbs each, 25" high, (which seems quite low to me), steel and aluminum.

Below them are a pair of $160/pair Sanus stands, at least same weight as made of steel, 26' high.



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The KEF LS50 is less than $1000. The stands about $500.

Now it's not hard to imagine the work and the money put in to make the LS50 speakers.

The stands on the other hand - a 15 year old can make in his garage.

Yet they charge almost half the money for them as for the speakers. Not 5%, not 10% - 50%.

How do they justify this?
I have 6 Sanus Euro Series 22" tall stands. Cast iron base, on the heavy side. They came with two top plates, I use the larger ones, 6" x 6.5" which work out well for my Ultras, 8.5" (W) 10.9" (D), haven't had any problem but then I don't have kids who might be a bit less cautious than I am

The last pair I got for $66 with shipping from ebay seller. Most of the line was discontinued after I bought my first 4. I like the 3 point stand as they're solid, no wobble or having to adjust a 4 point stand

Sanus appears to still sell the 28" version with one top plate 5" x 5", which is smaller than mine, $74.99 sold as a pair.

Hope you find something reasonably priced
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You could always make your own, or let someone build you some out of wood, steel or some other material. you will save a fortune.

I'll give you one little example, my old setup had Atlantic 8200e speakers, the stand for the front pair only was 1,500$! so that's 750$ each.

made my own and painted them black, cost me like 150$ (and this includes a custom stand/table for the 8200e center!) so saved 1,350$ at least here!


i did the same for my new setup, my four custom wall-mounted shelves for my JBL 708 speakers cost me like around 110-120$ with paint and all. and this is the total for all 4! better than buying each for at least 150-200$ online. so saved at least 500$ here.

no point in buying stands or mounts online honestly.



See this is a smart move right here. And wow $750 each!? That could be another useful accessory for your home theater. Good thing you had someone to make you a stand.
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The KEF LS50 is less than $1000. The stands about $500.

Now it's not hard to imagine the work and the money put in to make the LS50 speakers.

The stands on the other hand - a 15 year old can make in his garage.

Yet they charge almost half the money for them as for the speakers. Not 5%, not 10% - 50%.

How do they justify this?

I mean theyre not handmade back in Kent, United Kingdom are they? If each and everyone of them was made by hand by a blacksmith, who put his family name on them, and been making them on an anvil for generations I could see them charging a bit for them (not anywhere near $500 of course)

I bought a handmade chopping block made out of oak the other day, absolutely beautiful! 100% handmade, real work of art. it cost me $200.
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Here are your $450 KEF LS stands; 10lbs each, 25" high, (which seems quite low to me), steel and aluminum.

Below them are a pair of $160/pair Sanus stands, at least same weight as made of steel, 26' high.




What a timely thread! I just started looking for stands for LS50Ws. KEF stands as everyone here agrees are overpriced. The problem with third party stands is that almost all of them come in black. So if you want a different color eg. white, you are limited to few made by speaker companies and they are all overpriced.

I have Sanus Natural Series Wood Pillar Bookshelf Speaker Stands and they do a decent job holding a small pair of Polk bookshelf for surround duty in my living room.


They are lightweight and I wouldnt' put my KEFs on them.

My speakers are currently sitting on a pair of Sanus steel series that gajCA mentioned above in his post. Yes they are relatively inexpensive and do a decent job but they are very 'industrial' looking and one of the base plastic foot wont screw in anymore.

Apart from white KEF performance stands, I saw these Dynaudio Stands 6 available in white.



https://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/accessories/stand-6

The MSRP is $500 but are available for $300 and some online retailers.

https://www.safeandsoundhq.com/produ...dfc05af4&_ss=r

The only doubt I have is whether the hole for cables in the bottom is big enough to feed the KEF LS50 Wireless's power cable. I couldn't finds its exact size anywhere on the website or in the manual.

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Apart from white KEF performance stands, I saw these Dynaudio Stands 6 available in white.



https://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/accessories/stand-6

The MSRP is $500 but are available for $300 and some online retailers.

https://www.safeandsoundhq.com/produ...dfc05af4&_ss=r

The only doubt I have is whether the hole for cables in the bottom is big enough to feed the KEF LS50 Wireless's power cable. I couldn't finds its exact size anywhere on the website or in the manual.
I have Stand 6s. They are well made stands. From memory, the hole in the stand base is around an inch in diameter, maybe a little more, but I can check when I'm home. If the cable connector is fairly low profile without any raised ridges etc. it just might fit. Audiophile power cords are a no-go. Dynaudio's newer Stand 20 appears to have more generous cable clearance, but it's $600.

Regarding the original question: I've used several different generic stands and the cheap ones I've found in big box stores tend to be flimsy and sometimes difficult to level. The one generic stand I've owned that was sturdy enough for me was the Target HR, and that wasn't cheap. I can't remember what I paid for it, but the current version goes for $379. I've generally found the stands offered by Dynaudio, Revel, KEF, etc. to be of high quality, and they usually have one or more advantages, e.g. they place the speakers at the height the designer intended, the top plate is just the right size, sometimes you can actually bolt the top plate to the speaker, cable management, aesthetic match with the speakers, easy adjustment, etc.. Depending on your POV, these may be unnecessary nice-to-haves that you don't want to pay for. In my case, if I'm going to spend thousands for a pair of high end stand mounted speakers, I'll spend a couple hundred more (than the generic Target HR) to get the best matching stand for the speaker.
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I have Stand 6s. They are well made stands. From memory, the hole in the stand base is around an inch in diameter, maybe a little more, but I can check when I'm home. If the cable connector is fairly low profile without any raised ridges etc. it just might fit. Audiophile power cords are a no-go. Dynaudio's newer Stand 20 appears to have more generous cable clearance, but it's $600.
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Can you please check and let me know if it will allow a standard power cord to pass through?

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It fit.


The hole in the bottom was plenty big enough. The hole on the top was a tight fit and required a little fiddling to get through.
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It fit.


The hole in the bottom was plenty big enough. The hole on the top was a tight fit and required a little fiddling to get through.
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here are a few good speaker stands to consider., the Rockvilles also come in White. https://www.amazon.com/Rockville-RS3...V3057B4TEXT74P https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EVNE96C..._t1_B00092HW9G https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ND4FZ91...d_i=B07ND4FZ91

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My speakers are currently sitting on a pair of Sanus steel series that gajCA mentioned above in his post. Yes they are relatively inexpensive and do a decent job but they are very 'industrial' looking and one of the base plastic foot wont screw in anymore.
You mentioned white.

It is very very easy to take a steel stand like the Sanus, (which you can fill with sand IIRC to make them heavier), and simply spray paint them white.

Mind you I bought some Q Acoustics stands for my LX16s after my daughter knocked one off the crappy stands I was using before.

https://www.qacoustics.com/q-acousti...ands-pair.html

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It fit.


The hole in the bottom was plenty big enough. The hole on the top was a tight fit and required a little fiddling to get through.
I went ahead and placed an order for a pair of Dynaudio Stands 6 in gloss white. Another member on the forum (@Tom Grooms) sent me close up pictures of his setup and they look very nice with the white KEF LS50s. And for $300, they were significantly cheaper than the KEF's performance stands.

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Honestly, volume. They sell an awful lot more speakers, people can simply reuse their old stands or go for a 3rd party.

Since they want their stands to be "unique" that means a designer, time, tooling. Take rates are historically low (not helped by the prices), so Chinese vendors typically aren't that interested unless you are willing to commit to decent annual quantities, ie 5000+ or they charge a lot for a small run batch. Since you want to have 3-4 different stands to cover the lineup (no cheap stands with expensive speakers) it typically snowballs. Chinese audio vendors are geared more towards supporting flexible manufacturing, stands you're looking more at hard good manufacturers, they want volume, ie production runs of 10 000+.

Since you won't be using your unique KEF stand with B+W, Paradigm, MartinLogan, DefTech, Revel, etc... Most people just put bookshelf speakers on things, don't want to give up floor space, it's really more enthusiasts that like doing it, the overall volumes get very low.

The performance audio industry isn't big enough to support every manufacturer having unique accessories, so those accessories will continue to get more and more expensive over time since time spent dealing with stands needs to have a return, but the price drives the volumes lower. Vicious cycle. KEF is probably paying A LOT more for those stands than you would think, add in shipping (heavy), storage, logistics, and design. Plus they need to make money, and so does the dealer.

That's how you end up with $500 speaker stands.
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