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I'd stick to Crutchfield brands to be honest. You just can't beat that $10/box returns within 60 days IMHO.
Can't argue with that. Had nothing but good experiences with Crutchfield. I bought the s15 from Crutchfield but s10/s30 from another store. When the s15 sounded bright, I was stuck because I couldn't return the others to the other store even though I could return the s15 to Crutchfield. Wish I got everything from Crutchfield instead. They ended up being cheaper than Amazon and BestBuy too because when I told them I was ok with a week shipping time instead of 2 day, they gave me $25 off the speakers too! So I got the s15 for $139. I do find AVS more helpful than the Crutchfield reps in terms of substantive knowledge, though.

As of now my top choice is Wharfedale Evo 4.2 but I'm also researching the following. Comments are from whathifi:
Wharfedale Reva 2 (lacks a fun-loving attitude; rivals have bigger scale, dynamic reach, more authority);
RSL CG25;
Monitor Audio Silver 100 (balanced on the bright side, center speaker has off-axis dip);
PSB Imagine B;
ELAC Carina BS243.4;
Polk LSi M703 (can sound brittle occasionally, harder to drive, large size);
B&W 606 (treble can overwhelm with some music, center speaker tonal match could be better);
Dynaudio Emit M20 (very transparent so you won’t get the best from them playing below-par recordings, nor will you by shoving them up against a back wall, for when it comes to placement they require a bit of room.)
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Can't argue with that. Had nothing but good experiences with Crutchfield. I bought the s15 from Crutchfield but s10/s30 from another store. When the s15 sounded bright, I was stuck because I couldn't return the others to the other store even though I could return the s15 to Crutchfield. Wish I got everything from Crutchfield instead. They ended up being cheaper than Amazon and BestBuy too because when I told them I was ok with a week shipping time instead of 2 day, they gave me $25 off the speakers too! So I got the s15 for $139. I do find AVS more helpful than the Crutchfield reps in terms of substantive knowledge, though.

As of now my top choice is Wharfedale Evo 4.2 but I'm also researching the following. Comments are from whathifi:
Wharfedale Reva 2 (lacks a fun-loving attitude; rivals have bigger scale, dynamic reach, more authority);
RSL CG25;
Monitor Audio Silver 100 (balanced on the bright side, center speaker has off-axis dip);
PSB Imagine B;
ELAC Carina BS243.4;
Polk LSi M703 (can sound brittle occasionally, harder to drive, large size);
B&W 606 (treble can overwhelm with some music, center speaker tonal match could be better);
Dynaudio Emit M20 (very transparent so you won’t get the best from them playing below-par recordings, nor will you by shoving them up against a back wall, for when it comes to placement they require a bit of room.)
Oddly the Elacs seem over priced.

Especially relative to the Evos.
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Oddly the Elacs seem over priced.

Especially relative to the Evos.
Really? Good to know, since it looked like they are copies of each other, down to the looks. Could the ELACs be more expensive because they are audiophile grade and just superior quality while Wharferdale is a budget company in general?

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Really? Good to know, since it looked like they are copies of each other, down to the looks.
The Elac is more comparable to the Evo 4.1 which are $700/pair.
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Here is a bit of a twist, does it make since you get front firing port or down so that they can sit a little closer to the wall? I have the space to easily bring speakers 6-8” away from the wall, but it would probably look better if they were closer. Will a front port make a difference?
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Front ports mean smaller drivers or larger cabinets, which are both compromises. In either case you risk audible port noise.

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Here is a bit of a twist, does it make since you get front firing port or down so that they can sit a little closer to the wall? I have the space to easily bring speakers 6-8” away from the wall, but it would probably look better if they were closer. Will a front port make a difference?
Shouldn't make much difference with the speakers crossed over to a sub at around 80hz or so as ports generally don't even come into play above 65 hz or so.
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Shouldn't make much difference with the speakers crossed over to a sub at around 80hz or so as ports generally don't even come into play above 65 hz or so.
Cool. What do you guys think of the SVS towers? The Prime Pinnacle in particular piques my persuasion.
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Cool. What do you guys think of the SVS towers? The Prime Pinnacle in particular piques my persuasion.
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Cool. What do you guys think of the SVS towers? The Prime Pinnacle in particular piques my persuasion.
You can always buy and test them -- will they at least have some room from the side walls?
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You can always buy and test them -- will they at least have some room from the side walls?
A couple of feet.
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Cool. What do you guys think of the SVS towers? The Prime Pinnacle in particular piques my persuasion.
Reviews are favorable and their return policy is top notch.
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I think I am going to have to start buying speakers and comparing. No really other way around it. For my basement I am running a Yamaha RX-A550 receiver. Do you guys think I should up the power? Running mostly stereo. I have a A750 I could use or a beefier amp by Rotel. I like Yamaha's music cast as a whole house streaming system. That is really the only reason I lean toward Yamaha.
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I think I am going to have to start buying speakers and comparing. No really other way around it. For my basement I am running a Yamaha RX-A550 receiver. Do you guys think I should up the power? Running mostly stereo. I have a A750 I could use or a beefier amp by Rotel. I like Yamaha's music cast as a whole house streaming system. That is really the only reason I lean toward Yamaha.
The Yamaha RX-A550 should be fine with most speakers so long as you don't listen at ear-bleeding volume levels. AFAIK, there's a math equation to figure this stuff out, and if I recall, in most cases it doesn't even chew up 1 watt's worth of power at above-normal listening levels.
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I think I am going to have to start buying speakers and comparing. No really other way around it. For my basement I am running a Yamaha RX-A550 receiver. Do you guys think I should up the power? Running mostly stereo. I have a A750 I could use or a beefier amp by Rotel. I like Yamaha's music cast as a whole house streaming system. That is really the only reason I lean toward Yamaha.
80 watts is the spec; Sound & Vision has tested Yamaha receivers and they found that Yamaha is very conservative in their specs so you should be fine.
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Cool. I will probably swap the 750 and 550. The 550 is in the living room running PSB VS300 and I am sure they are not terribly power hungry
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Cool. I will probably swap the 750 and 550. The 550 is in the living room running PSB VS300 and I am sure they are not terribly power hungry
88db sensitivity, 8 ohms, about what my towers are and I run them in 5.1 with a 90 watt Denon with zero issues.

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I think I am going to have to start buying speakers and comparing. No really other way around it. For my basement I am running a Yamaha RX-A550 receiver. Do you guys think I should up the power? Running mostly stereo. I have a A750 I could use or a beefier amp by Rotel. I like Yamaha's music cast as a whole house streaming system. That is really the only reason I lean toward Yamaha.
So I bought a pair of B&W 606's. Open box from Best Buy. Compared them to my DCM TFv6.0 and I like the DCM better. I know they are floorstander vs. bookshelf but it wasn't just the bass. It was the soundstage. Wider, bigger and more open. Sounded more like a real band.

Was listening to Amazon Unlimited (Supposedly lossless) from a Roku and iPad/Airplay. Going to listen to some CD's next.
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So I bought a pair of B&W 606's. Open box from Best Buy. Compared them to my DCM TFv6.0 and I like the DCM better. I know they are floorstander vs. bookshelf but it wasn't just the bass. It was the soundstage. Wider, bigger and more open. Sounded more like a real band.
Some people may prefer speakers that have extra ambient tweeters on them that fire in different directions, are you picking anything as far central imaging and depth with them DCM speakers? ... The B&W does have a couple of dips and rise between 4 and 7khz, which is a sensitive area ... but the speaker game is fun

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Some people may prefer speakers that have extra ambient tweeters on them that fire in different directions, are you picking anything as far central imaging and depth with them DCM speakers? ... The B&W does have a couple of dips and rise between 4 and 7khz, which is a sensitive area ... but the speaker game is fun
I think it I get central imaging and depth. Who knows. I just know what sounds like music. Know when I hear Susan Tedeschi sing I can hear the mic break up that she sings into. That Bonnie Raitt’s voice sounds awesome.
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So I bought a pair of B&W 606's. Open box from Best Buy. Compared them to my DCM TFv6.0 and I like the DCM better. I know they are floorstander vs. bookshelf but it wasn't just the bass. It was the soundstage. Wider, bigger and more open. Sounded more like a real band.

Was listening to Amazon Unlimited (Supposedly lossless) from a Roku and iPad/Airplay. Going to listen to some CD's next.
Congrats! You might notice a change in sound as you play the speakers more and more : ) Enjoy them.
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Took the B&W back. Didn’t like the sound. Picked up some Martin Logan Motion 60xt’s on a whim. Best Buy Magnolia cut me a deal on floor models for a grand. I’ll post thoughts after I play with them a bit.
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Took the B&W back. Didn’t like the sound. Picked up some Martin Logan Motion 60xt’s on a whim. Best Buy Magnolia cut me a deal on floor models for a grand. I’ll post thoughts after I play with them a bit.
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Looking forward to your impressions.
So far there isn’t a huge difference from my DCM’s. I am guessing that they need a little more power to shine.
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So far there isn’t a huge difference from my DCM’s. I am guessing that they need a little more power to shine.
Well, your name implies you are perhaps less than objective so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Mind you, my main speakers NOBODY on AVS has and I'm not replacing them.

With DCM, ML or anything else.

Neither can I recommend them as the current model doesn't even have a matching center.

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So far there isn’t a huge difference from my DCM’s. I am guessing that they need a little more power to shine.
It is all about what you enjoy and what floats your boat -- and your ears are also use to listening to speakers with extra ambient tweeters -- sometimes the ears need to adjust -- but at the same time the ML 60XT speakers are not the most linear and balance sounding speakers with their dips and rise, and do dip in the lower sensitive voice regions ... have fun

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They are 4 ohms -- and yes I would throw some power at them

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Well, your name implies you are perhaps less than objective so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Mind you, my main speakers NOBODY on AVS has and I'm not replacing them.

With DCM, ML or anything else.

Neither can I recommend them as the current model doesn't even have a matching center.

Pretty open to brands. I just made that name because I couldn't think of anything else and I was joining for a specific forum. I also have some PSB, Emotiva, Monitor Audio, Thiel, Polk, and B&W speakers that I enjoy.
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It is all about what you enjoy and what floats your boat -- and your ears are also use to listening to speakers with extra ambient tweeters -- sometimes the ears need to adjust -- but at the same time the ML 60XT speakers are not the most linear and balance sounding speakers with their dips and rise, and do dip in the lower sensitive voice regions ... have fun
The DCM's seem to have a much bigger sound stage due to those tweeters. The ML have deeper tighter bass. There is definitely a very specific sweet spot to them. Compared to my Emotiva Airmotive desktop speakers with the AMT the Logan's seem to have less sparkle on the top end. Need to listen more. Just hooked up a CD player too. Much better sound than streaming. Will see how this goes.
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They are 4 ohms -- and yes I would throw some power at them
The receiver seems to handle it fine. It is rated to accept 4 Ohm. I want to try something like my 200 watt Rotel amp and see how they do.
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