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Question $2000 5.1.2 Setup Help

Hi, I just recently purchased a new house and will finally get to set up a proper surround sound system. I feel like I would get more out of 5.1.2 than 7.1, but would appreciate opinions on that as well. I would say the system will get 2/3 movie use and 1/3 music use. Assuming Atmos is the way to go, here's my thoughts. I'd really like to stay around $2000 for the speakers only. I'm planning on paring the speakers with a ~$500 9 channel receiver from accessories4less to give myself some headroom to add 2 more Atmos channels. The room is 27x12x8 and is almost completely sealed aside from an entry hallway.

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Ok so my initial thought was SVS Prime for all the speakers and HSU VTF-3 MK5 for the sub, but that puts me at $2320

So I cut back a bit and went HSU sub (800), SVS Prime LR (500) and Atmos (400), and then DefTech ProCenter 1000 (180) and ProMonitor 800 (240) which puts me at $2120 - would like to hear your thoughts if those cost cuts are worth it.

I was also looking at Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 (500), Focal Chorus 706 (450), and Monitor Audio Bronze 2 (500) as other options for LR.

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This led me to another consideration of stepping up the LR and really cutting back on surrounds and Atmos. I would like to hear your opinions on if this would make the system too unbalanced or if the benefit would be worth it. I know that's a fairly subjective question, but here's my alternative setup:

Still have DefTech center (180) and HSU sub (800)
Then either Wharfedale Evo 4.1 (700) or KEF Q350 (700) for LR
Then either Elac Debut B5.2 (190) or Jamo S 801 (174) for surrounds
And either Elac Debut A4.2 (190) or Jamo S 8 ATM (175) for Atmos

This brings the total to $2060 with Elac or $2030 with Jamo

I see the Elac Debut has fairly decent reviews for a budget speaker, so I assume it will perform decently as a surround, but I don't know if this is correct thinking. And the Jamo I can't find much info on but it also seems to be a "decent budget speaker". One other consideration with both these surrounds is that they were designed to pair up with their Atmos speaker counterparts, with the speaker resting or locking into place on top, so there is some "harmony" to consider. No idea if that makes any difference or it's just marketing. Hopefully I didn't leave any information out. I would appreciate any and all advice and opinions - including completely different speakers.
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the system will get 2/3 movie use and 1/3 music use. Assuming Atmos is the way to go, here's my thoughts. I'd really like to stay around $2000 for the speakers only. I'm planning on paring the speakers with a ~$500 9 channel receiver from accessories4less to give myself some headroom to add 2 more Atmos channels. The room is 27x12x8 and is almost completely sealed aside from an entry hallway.

I would appreciate any and all advice and opinions - including completely different speakers.
I would steer clear of speakers from SVS and Def Tech, unless you know for sure that you prefer a forward, treble-intense presentation.

Your best bet if ordering unheard is finding speakers that are known to be neutral and relatively easy to drive.

The two that would best fit that description IMO are the Ascend 340SE and Chane A2.4 ... do a forum search, there's been tons of feedback about these two brands, overwhelmingly favorable. A front stage consisting of 3 of either one would be superb. And they will easily fit into your $2K budget with plenty of room to spare.

If you want the luxury of having free return shipping just in case, there's the HTD Level 3 speakers too.

Your Atmos speakers do not need to "match" the fronts or surrounds at all; in fact that is exactly where I would economize if needed (the second most logical place to economize would be the rear surrounds) since they do a miniscule % of the actual HT output.
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Excellent suggestions, thank you very much!
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Hi, I just recently purchased a new house and will finally get to set up a proper surround sound system. I feel like I would get more out of 5.1.2 than 7.1, but would appreciate opinions on that as well. I would say the system will get 2/3 movie use and 1/3 music use. Assuming Atmos is the way to go, here's my thoughts. I'd really like to stay around $2000 for the speakers only. I'm planning on paring the speakers with a ~$500 9 channel receiver from accessories4less to give myself some headroom to add 2 more Atmos channels. The room is 27x12x8 and is almost completely sealed aside from an entry hallway.

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Ok so my initial thought was SVS Prime for all the speakers and HSU VTF-3 MK5 for the sub, but that puts me at $2320

So I cut back a bit and went HSU sub (800), SVS Prime LR (500) and Atmos (400), and then DefTech ProCenter 1000 (180) and ProMonitor 800 (240) which puts me at $2120 - would like to hear your thoughts if those cost cuts are worth it.

I was also looking at Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 (500), Focal Chorus 706 (450), and Monitor Audio Bronze 2 (500) as other options for LR.

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This led me to another consideration of stepping up the LR and really cutting back on surrounds and Atmos. I would like to hear your opinions on if this would make the system too unbalanced or if the benefit would be worth it. I know that's a fairly subjective question, but here's my alternative setup:

Still have DefTech center (180) and HSU sub (800)
Then either Wharfedale Evo 4.1 (700) or KEF Q350 (700) for LR
Then either Elac Debut B5.2 (190) or Jamo S 801 (174) for surrounds
And either Elac Debut A4.2 (190) or Jamo S 8 ATM (175) for Atmos

This brings the total to $2060 with Elac or $2030 with Jamo

I see the Elac Debut has fairly decent reviews for a budget speaker, so I assume it will perform decently as a surround, but I don't know if this is correct thinking. And the Jamo I can't find much info on but it also seems to be a "decent budget speaker". One other consideration with both these surrounds is that they were designed to pair up with their Atmos speaker counterparts, with the speaker resting or locking into place on top, so there is some "harmony" to consider. No idea if that makes any difference or it's just marketing. Hopefully I didn't leave any information out. I would appreciate any and all advice and opinions - including completely different speakers.
Another good option would be an HSU Hybid 3-5.1 package. Add in some inexpensive in-ceiling speakers and you're off to a good start. You can always add a 2nd sub later.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3hppkg.html
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...er-pair/1.html
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DCM speakers are on extreme liquidation on ebay right now and cannot be touched value wise

TP260 towers $320

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...tp260&_sacat=0

TP160 center & bookshelf $180

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pair-of-6...cAAOSw7Wxdn0~C

this would leave you $1500 for subs/atmos. You could easily go with Dual HSU VTF-3 MK5's and something like sony cores atmos.

You could also go with another pair of DCM TP160S for $100 as front heights/Atmos
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Excellent suggestions, thank you very much!
It seems you might be in Memphis.

Do you ever go to Nashville?

If so, Emotiva is located there.

Excellent speakers but I'd buy a subwoofer from HSU.
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Might also be worth considering Polk LSiM's since they have come out with a new line and the previous line is getting cleared out. I bought a pair of LSiM 705 towers, a 704c center and a pair of 703 bookshelf surrounds without hearing them in person and have been very happy with them. I agree with others recommendations as well in regards to Ascends, Chanes and Emotiva's, and potentially DCM's (though I haven't got any experience with them, they do seem to be a great value). All really good options.
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Check slickdeals.net for the Polk LSiM links.

You could get a pair of the 703’s for $450 and the matching center for $350. Add a decent sub from SVS for about $450.

That leaves plenty leftover for the surrounds and atmos. You can go cheaper on those IMO. I also see the Pioneer BS22 bookshelf speakers on slickdeals for only $48.

You could even upgrade to the 707’s and stay right at $2k.

Polk 707’s — $1100
SVS sub — $450
Polk 706 center — $350
Pioneer surrounds — $50
Micca in-ceiling atmos speakers — $80
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Might also be worth considering Polk LSiM's since they have come out with a new line and the previous line is getting cleared out. I bought a pair of LSiM 705 towers, a 704c center and a pair of 703 bookshelf surrounds without hearing them in person and have been very happy with them. I agree with others recommendations as well in regards to Ascends, Chanes and Emotiva's, and potentially DCM's (though I haven't got any experience with them, they do seem to be a great value). All really good options.
The DCM TP series is a noticeable improvement over the Polk RTiA series at half the cost. I compared the DCM TP160S vs the RTiA3's at my friends house recently

The tweeter / resolution / imaging / soundstage / midrange is entirely in a different league.



The only edge the RTiA3's had over the DCM was slightly better bass extension.

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Another good option would be an HSU Hybid 3-5.1 package. Add in some inexpensive in-ceiling speakers and you're off to a good start. You can always add a 2nd sub later.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3hppkg.html
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...er-pair/1.html
Didn't even think to look at HSU for speakers! Thanks
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DCM speakers are on extreme liquidation on ebay right now and cannot be touched value wise

TP260 towers $320

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...tp260&_sacat=0

TP160 center & bookshelf $180

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pair-of-6...cAAOSw7Wxdn0~C

this would leave you $1500 for subs/atmos. You could easily go with Dual HSU VTF-3 MK5's and something like sony cores atmos.

You could also go with another pair of DCM TP160S for $100 as front heights/Atmos
Haven't ever heard of DCM, will do some research, thanks!
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Check slickdeals.net for the Polk LSiM links.

You could get a pair of the 703’s for $450 and the matching center for $350. Add a decent sub from SVS for about $450.

That leaves plenty leftover for the surrounds and atmos. You can go cheaper on those IMO. I also see the Pioneer BS22 bookshelf speakers on slickdeals for only $48.

You could even upgrade to the 707’s and stay right at $2k.

Polk 707’s — $1100
SVS sub — $450
Polk 706 center — $350
Pioneer surrounds — $50
Micca in-ceiling atmos speakers — $80
Appreciate the suggestions, but definitely don't want to compromise on the sub. I've heard the SVS sb1000 and it doesn't really do it for me.
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Haven't ever heard of DCM, will do some research, thanks!
I own some DCM speakers and they are for real -- the TP series is really nice -- but the TFE series is even better ....but the TP series is no slouch -- the prices are crazy good. I would check them out and put them on a short list ... one thing to note about the TFE center, is that the tweeter is positioned above the center line which is beneficial.

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Haven't ever heard of DCM, will do some research, thanks!
A few members here have discovered these New old stock jem being liquidated on ebay.

IMO Going with the DCM 's and Dual HSU VTF3 MK5's would give you the best HT experience without question. all for under $2000 .


*Dual subs is a game changer. Being able to fit Dual subs in your budget would take your system to the next level.


check this thread https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...er-choice.html

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It seems you might be in Memphis.

Do you ever go to Nashville?

If so, Emotiva is located there.

Excellent speakers but I'd buy a subwoofer from HSU.
Actually I'm in Atlanta, username is just a throwback. I'll keep it in mind the next time I'm in Nashville though!
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Haven't ever heard of DCM, will do some research, thanks!
I own some DCM speakers, and they are for real ... the TP speakers are really nice for the price .... but the TFE series are better ... the prices are crazy good for both series. You get a more dimensional and realistic soundstage and better definition and punch with the TFE series ... but with all that said, the TP series is no slouch or wimp.

I pretty much agree with macgallant about the DCM speakers ... and I have owned speakers like the Polk RTi speakers and HTD Level Three, Definitive Tech, etc:

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For $420 you could run the DCM TFE series up front and DCM TP series for surrounds.
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For $420 you could run the DCM TFE series up front and DCM TP series for surrounds.


I like the TFE Towers/Bookshelf my only concern is with the TFE center channel front baffle. I don't know how much that would hurt off axis response (if it would at all) it's impossible to know without taking measurements.

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Actually I'm in Atlanta, username is just a throwback. I'll keep it in mind the next time I'm in Nashville though!
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Sorry, near Nashville, 22 miles South on 440.

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Hi, I just recently purchased a new house and will finally get to set up a proper surround sound system. I feel like I would get more out of 5.1.2 than 7.1, but would appreciate opinions on that as well. I would say the system will get 2/3 movie use and 1/3 music use. Assuming Atmos is the way to go, here's my thoughts. I'd really like to stay around $2000 for the speakers only. I'm planning on paring the speakers with a ~$500 9 channel receiver from accessories4less to give myself some headroom to add 2 more Atmos channels. The room is 27x12x8 and is almost completely sealed aside from an entry hallway.

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Ok so my initial thought was SVS Prime for all the speakers and HSU VTF-3 MK5 for the sub, but that puts me at $2320

So I cut back a bit and went HSU sub (800), SVS Prime LR (500) and Atmos (400), and then DefTech ProCenter 1000 (180) and ProMonitor 800 (240) which puts me at $2120 - would like to hear your thoughts if those cost cuts are worth it.

I was also looking at Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 (500), Focal Chorus 706 (450), and Monitor Audio Bronze 2 (500) as other options for LR.

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This led me to another consideration of stepping up the LR and really cutting back on surrounds and Atmos. I would like to hear your opinions on if this would make the system too unbalanced or if the benefit would be worth it. I know that's a fairly subjective question, but here's my alternative setup:

Still have DefTech center (180) and HSU sub (800)
Then either Wharfedale Evo 4.1 (700) or KEF Q350 (700) for LR
Then either Elac Debut B5.2 (190) or Jamo S 801 (174) for surrounds
And either Elac Debut A4.2 (190) or Jamo S 8 ATM (175) for Atmos

This brings the total to $2060 with Elac or $2030 with Jamo

I see the Elac Debut has fairly decent reviews for a budget speaker, so I assume it will perform decently as a surround, but I don't know if this is correct thinking. And the Jamo I can't find much info on but it also seems to be a "decent budget speaker". One other consideration with both these surrounds is that they were designed to pair up with their Atmos speaker counterparts, with the speaker resting or locking into place on top, so there is some "harmony" to consider. No idea if that makes any difference or it's just marketing. Hopefully I didn't leave any information out. I would appreciate any and all advice and opinions - including completely different speakers.
I would recommend ordering the speakers you want from Crutchfield as you mentioned several brands they carry.

Order two pairs and send the loser home within 60 days for total cost to return of just $10/box; some come 2/box some come 1/box but Crutchfield takes the shipping charge out of the rewards points for the pair you keep so if that is what happens the return shipping is essentially free.

Nice thing about that is that your own ears can decide vs someone else's.
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Sorry, near Nashville, 22 miles South on 440.
You were close ---- they are about 3 hrs from me

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I would recommend ordering the speakers you want from Crutchfield as you mentioned several brands they carry.

Order two pairs and send the loser home within 60 days for total cost to return of just $10/box; some come 2/box some come 1/box but Crutchfield takes the shipping charge out of the rewards points for the pair you keep so if that is what happens the return shipping is essentially free.

Nice thing about that is that your own ears can decide vs someone else's.
Oh nice, I didn't know about their return policy. Very good idea. I've been looking at people's suggestions and reformulating my original ones and here's some that I came up with:

All setups will use Jamo for surround and atmos, and dual HSU VTF-2, and then an Onkyo receiver (so my budget target is $2500 including receiver)

Jamo S 801
Jamo S 8 ATM
HSU VTF-2 (x2)
Onkyo TX-NR787
============ $1710 (140+140+1030+400)

Then for LCR my main contenders are:

DCM TFE60
DCM TFE60C
============ $2020

Wharfedale Diamond 11.2
Wharfedale Diamond 11.C
============ $2510 (crutchfield)

Focal Chorus 706
Focal Chorus CC 700
============ $2560 (crutchfield)

Monitor Audio Bronze 2
Monitor Audio Bronze Center
============ $2510 (crutchfield)

Ascend CMT-340
Ascend CMT-340 Center
============ $2510

HTD Level 3
HTD Level 3 Center
============ $2290


So I've got 3 options that let me go the Crutchfield route, and I'm hoping I'll get better performance out of the dual HSU VTF-2 rather than a single VTF-3 since the room is fairly large. Obviously the DCM is an ebay deal type thing so not a direct comparison, and I'm all for not spending money if I don't have to, but I'm pretty comfortable skirting the $2500 total budget to get the best sound possible. Like you said, I may just have to do some experimenting and take advantage of the cheap return costs.
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I would recommend ordering the speakers you want from Crutchfield as you mentioned several brands they carry.

Order two pairs and send the loser home within 60 days for total cost to return of just $10/box; some come 2/box some come 1/box but Crutchfield takes the shipping charge out of the rewards points for the pair you keep so if that is what happens the return shipping is essentially free.

Nice thing about that is that your own ears can decide vs someone else's.
Oh nice, I didn't know about their return policy. Very good idea. I've been looking at people's suggestions and reformulating my original ones and here's some that I came up with:

All setups will use Jamo for surround and atmos, and dual HSU VTF-2, and then an Onkyo receiver (so my budget target is $2500 including receiver)

Jamo S 801
Jamo S 8 ATM
HSU VTF-2 (x2)
Onkyo TX-NR787
============ $1710 (140+140+1030+400)

Then for LCR my main contenders are:

DCM TFE60
DCM TFE60C
============ $2020

Wharfedale Diamond 11.2
Wharfedale Diamond 11.C
============ $2510 (crutchfield)

Focal Chorus 706
Focal Chorus CC 700
============ $2560 (crutchfield)

Monitor Audio Bronze 2
Monitor Audio Bronze Center
============ $2510 (crutchfield)

Ascend CMT-340
Ascend CMT-340 Center
============ $2510

HTD Level 3
HTD Level 3 Center
============ $2290


So I've got 3 options that let me go the Crutchfield route, and I'm hoping I'll get better performance out of the dual HSU VTF-2 rather than a single VTF-3 since the room is fairly large. Obviously the DCM is an ebay deal type thing so not a direct comparison, and I'm all for not spending money if I don't have to, but I'm pretty comfortable skirting the $2500 total budget to get the best sound possible. Like you said, I may just have to do some experimenting and take advantage of the cheap return costs.
If you want with DCM you could fit dual HSU VTF3 MK5 in your budget which would make a substantial difference
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Oh nice, I didn't know about their return policy. Very good idea. I've been looking at people's suggestions and reformulating my original ones and here's some that I came up with:

All setups will use Jamo for surround and atmos, and dual HSU VTF-2, and then an Onkyo receiver (so my budget target is $2500 including receiver)

Jamo S 801
Jamo S 8 ATM
HSU VTF-2 (x2)
Onkyo TX-NR787
============ $1710 (140+140+1030+400)

Then for LCR my main contenders are:

DCM TFE60
DCM TFE60C
============ $2020

Wharfedale Diamond 11.2
Wharfedale Diamond 11.C
============ $2510 (crutchfield)

Focal Chorus 706
Focal Chorus CC 700
============ $2560 (crutchfield)

Monitor Audio Bronze 2
Monitor Audio Bronze Center
============ $2510 (crutchfield)

Ascend CMT-340
Ascend CMT-340 Center
============ $2510

HTD Level 3
HTD Level 3 Center
============ $2290


So I've got 3 options that let me go the Crutchfield route, and I'm hoping I'll get better performance out of the dual HSU VTF-2 rather than a single VTF-3 since the room is fairly large. Obviously the DCM is an ebay deal type thing so not a direct comparison, and I'm all for not spending money if I don't have to, but I'm pretty comfortable skirting the $2500 total budget to get the best sound possible. Like you said, I may just have to do some experimenting and take advantage of the cheap return costs.
I'd start with the Crutchfield and HTD brands first as they offer minimal financial risk, (or none in the case of HTD); just order the bookshelves, and not the centers to see which you prefer and to minimize return costs.

If one of those 4 doesn't "do it" for you then you can contemplate the other two brands with new knowledge of what you do or don't like.

I'd go for two smaller quality vs one larger one all day long.

Adding a second sub adds +6db or so to headroom so if comparing specs on the HSU site add 6db to see that dual VTF2s have the same volume potential as a single VTF3 and will provide a better spread of bass across multiple seating positions.
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