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Budget 3.1 setup

El Cheapo setup. I understand that buying used is an option, but that brings its own hassles. Having read through the forum, I picked the following for a simple 3.1 to start with. I would appreciate your feedback.

Application: For my HT setup. I mostly listen with my headphones plugged into a Roku remote. Otherwise it's just the speaker that came with the cheap BenQ projector. I know, this is a poor setup. But, I just wanted to see if I liked the projector or not, before taking the plunge. We do use the living room TV mostly (recently upgraded to a 65" OLED).

Strictly movies (100%). I don't need to shake the house, but want to enjoy the movies as a family on the bigger screen occasionally.

Room dimensions: The setup is in the upstairs landing area - open to the entry way (vaulted ceiling). There's no point in measuring as it's open to the whole house (except bedrooms). The floor area is about 22' X 15 X 12'.

For the front stage: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pair-of-6-5-Bookshelf-Speakers-with-2-Way-Center-Channel-Speaker-DCM-MTX/174060660626?hash=item2886d2e792:g:KicAAOSw7Wxdn0~ C:sc:ShippingMethodExpress!77004!US!-1

This comes to $165.

For a single subwoofer, I'm planning on the Bic PL 200-2. About $300.

What do y'all think?
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There's literally no better options for speakers ATM, the PL200 is a solid choice but have you thought about going with Dual BIC F12's instead?

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C / Fluance Signature Series, SX6, XL5F/ Mirage M-190 / DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-II
Receiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300
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DCM is a solid choice -- good call

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I want to see first how the current setup turns out, before adding a second subwoofer. That was my thought process in sticking with a single. Unless, given the open floor plan, a second subwoofer is a must, then I'm not opposed to getting it.

But reading this forum, the advice seems to be to see how particular speakers sound in the environment they will be used in ...
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Another budget sub option is the Premier Acoustic PA-150 for $250 on eBay.

And multiple subs is the way to go if you can afford it and have the space, IME.

Link to sub output comparisons:
https://legacy.data-bass.com/systems


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I assume you already have an AV Receiver? You didn't mention one in your original post.

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I assume you already have an AV Receiver? You didn't mention one in your original post.
I have an old receiver (Sony ~25 years, 5.1). I will use this to check the setup. But it doesn't have the HDMI passthroughs and things like that. My plan is to get the Yamaha 7.2 from Costco for less than $400 around mid November (BF sale, maybe). A bit more than what I would like to spend, but it's a 7.2 - so I can expand if needed.
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I have an old receiver (Sony ~25 years, 5.1). I will use this to check the setup. But it doesn't have the HDMI passthroughs and things like that. My plan is to get the Yamaha 7.2 from Costco for less than $400 around mid November (BF sale, maybe). A bit more than what I would like to spend, but it's a 7.2 - so I can expand if needed.

If you don't want to spend more then get this.
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-kRlseC...VR-X1500H.html

If you want to connect the projector and OLED then get the Yamaha since it has 2 HDMI out.

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setup is in the upstairs landing area - open to the entry way (vaulted ceiling). There's no point in measuring as it's open to the whole house (except bedrooms). The floor area is about 22' X 15 X 12'. For a single subwoofer, I'm planning on the Bic PL 200-2. About $300.
Yep, I'd get the Denon X1500 previously linked for $300 from crutchfield.com (they have some open box ones for $260 too) and stretch your sub budget to get a Monolith 10" sub --- these are regularly $550 but around BF they often have discount codes that will bring the price down to $400-450. Reason is that your usage is 100% movies and your sub will be interacting with ALL of the contiguous space not just the listening area, which in your case sounds like "the whole house."

Hell, if you enjoy a lot of big budget action/thriller movies (the ones that have all the LFE) then I would keep the old receiver and move up to a really muscular sub like the Hsu VTF-3.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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I have an old receiver (Sony ~25 years, 5.1). I will use this to check the setup. But it doesn't have the HDMI passthroughs and things like that. My plan is to get the Yamaha 7.2 from Costco for less than $400 around mid November (BF sale, maybe). A bit more than what I would like to spend, but it's a 7.2 - so I can expand if needed.
If you don't mind refurbs, go to accessories4less.com. In most cases you can get a manufacturer's extended warranty, or get a 3rd party one from them. More years of coverage than new and costs less.

ONKYO TX-SR383 7.2-Ch x 80 Watts Bluetooth A/V Receiver for $180
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html

Atmos-Capable
YAMAHA RX-V583 7.2-Ch x 80 Watts A/V Receiver for $270
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html

Dual HDMI out
DENON AVR-S940H 7.2-Ch x 90 Watts A/V Receiver w/HEOS for $290
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...-w/heos/1.html

Others available as well
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ceivers/1.html

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Yep, I'd get the Denon X1500 previously linked for $300 from crutchfield.com (they have some open box ones for $260 too) and stretch your sub budget to get a Monolith 10" sub --- these are regularly $550 but around BF they often have discount codes that will bring the price down to $400-450. Reason is that your usage is 100% movies and your sub will be interacting with ALL of the contiguous space not just the listening area, which in your case sounds like "the whole house."

Hell, if you enjoy a lot of big budget action/thriller movies (the ones that have all the LFE) then I would keep the old receiver and move up to a really muscular sub like the Hsu VTF-3.
I do enjoy the action movies (especially Marvel). Do the subs make THAT much of a difference? The weight of the VTF-3 concerns me - hauling it upstairs. What about the 12" sub (monoprice or hsu) and then adding a second 12" down the road depending on my experience?
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And thanks for the AV receiver suggestions ....
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I do enjoy the action movies (especially Marvel). Do the subs make THAT much of a difference? The weight of the VTF-3 concerns me - hauling it upstairs. What about the 12" sub (monoprice or hsu) and then adding a second 12" down the road depending on my experience?
Start with 1 sub and add a second sub later -- a 12 inch sub is a good option like the HSU Vtf-2
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I do enjoy the action movies (especially Marvel). Do the subs make THAT much of a difference? The weight of the VTF-3 concerns me - hauling it upstairs. What about the 12" sub (monoprice or hsu) and then adding a second 12" down the road depending on my experience?
Well, the VTF-3 is only 20lbs heavier than the VTF-2 and the Monolith 12" actually weighs MORE than the VTF-3.

YouTube has lots of good vids on how to move much heavier things than subs up stairs, btw.
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