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New HT 7.1.2 System

Hello everyone,

Since i just purchased a Panasonic GZ1500 it's time to start thinking about an audio system. Ideally I would like to realize a 7.1.2 possibly with the 2 "Atmos speakers" positioned on the floorstanding front speakers.

The TV is positioned centrally on a wall with a width of 3.70 m, distant from it around 0.22 m, placed on a TV cabinet with a width of 1.75 m, then 0.975 m of space on both sides where to place various speakers. The sofa, 3.20 m wide, is positioned at a distance of about 2.40 m from the TV panel and is far around 1.40 m from the rear bookcase where I intend to place the rear surrounds. (I have attached images to make the idea better).

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Therefore, first of all I doubt whether the distances quoted are sufficient to recreate a decent Atmos effect with the bounce of the sound on the ceiling, height 2.70 m, in the viewing area. Then obviously I have to evaluate which products are the most suitable.

About the budget it is difficult to say, we say that coming from a 5.1 system with Wharfedale Diamond Series 10 and Sub Velodyne CHT-12Q I would like to take a leap forward, but at the same time not even go with a "Ferrari".

So, from the first research I was interested on a Denon AVR-X4500H with Klipsch speakers (2x RP-280FA, 1x RP-450CA, 1x SPL-120, 4x RP-400M), but of course I'm opening this thread just because I'd like suggestions.

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Any advice, please?
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I always try to recommend Triad.

Based on the Klipsch speakers you have mentioned, the Triad Silver LCR series would be a great fit and sound a lot better.

Triad is a Portland-based company that hand builds speakers in just about every configuration you can imagine. They will even color match the speakers and grills to match the paint on your walls.

Triad has In-Wall and angled InCeiling speakers and subwoofers that work amazingly well for spaces in which you have no floor space, or when you wish to hide the speakers from view. The company has speakers in many different price ranges, starting at $300 per speaker.

While not a household name, Triad is a favorite of custom installers and has won numerous industry awards.

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The Klipsch looks good -- now do they sell SVS subs in Dubai?
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The Klipsch looks good -- now do they sell SVS subs in Dubai?
Well, I need to update my location to Italy... So yes, they are available and the SVS SB3000 seemed quite interesting...
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Well, I need to update my location to Italy... So yes, they are available and the SVS SB3000 seemed quite interesting...
Stereophile just reviewed it.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ered-subwoofer

Sonus Faber speakers are made in Italy and well worth a listen.

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Stereophile just reviewed it.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ered-subwoofer

Sonus Faber speakers are made in Italy and well worth a listen.
Thanks for the link, I'll have a look to it. Today I went to 2 dealers and one of them said something that I actually still hardly believe, he proposed me the Yamaha NS-SW1000 adding that it's for sure better than the SVS... The same guy recommended me the KEF Q serie instead of the R given that I'll mainly use them for movies and, sometimes, rock music, so he was quite honest from this point of view.

About the Sonus Faber, I actually saw them today as well I actually was quite impressed by their style, the "Sonetto" looked really stylish. I'm planning a listening session in the next weeks.
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Thanks for the link, I'll have a look to it. Today I went to 2 dealers and one of them said something that I actually still hardly believe, he proposed me the Yamaha NS-SW1000 adding that it's for sure better than the SVS... The same guy recommended me the KEF Q serie instead of the R given that I'll mainly use them for movies and, sometimes, rock music, so he was quite honest from this point of view.

About the Sonus Faber, I actually saw them today as well I actually was quite impressed by their style, the "Sonetto" looked really stylish. I'm planning a listening session in the next weeks.
Better without a doubt than the SVS?

I don't think I'd say that about any sub to be honest.

But is the Yamaha a serious looking sub?

Yes, it certainly is.

I have two Yamaha subs in my secondary room, very very inexpensive small ones but they achieve their stated frequency response in my room and over deliver for the price.

So Yamaha does NOT lie about their specs.

I'm guessing it is an excellent sub but I could not say it is definitely better than the SVS or vice versa.

https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...1000-subwoofer

He gave good advice on the KEFs.

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The same guy recommended me the KEF Q serie instead of the R given that I'll mainly use them for movies and, sometimes, rock music, so he was quite honest from this point of view.
This I'd agree with.

The sub rec, no.

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Thanks guys, got some ideas.

About the AVR, any advice? Denon AVR-X4500H seems to be the best fit in terms of value for money so far.
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Thanks guys, got some ideas.

About the AVR, any advice? Denon AVR-X4500H seems to be the best fit in terms of value for money so far.
Honestly if you only want to do 7.x.2 you can get most any receiver. I would take a a few over the x4500 and spend the savings on more subs/better subs. Yamaha 683 its a great receiver goes on sale all the time on amazon and sounds great is missing preouts. If you want preouts something like a marantz 6013 is on sale at the moment also and has preouts for 11 speakers. Same with the 3600. The 3600 has newer hdcp 2.3 if your worried about getting more life from your AV.

As for speakers I like the sound of klipsch and have not heard the new RP line but its getting rave reviews. They seem to go on sale constantly and would give a nice dynamic sound stage I use Klipsch as surround speakers in our theater room. I also like kefs and have a set in our kids tv room 5.2.2 setup. Either brand is great. I may say go with klipsch over Kef just cause of the high effeciency. Then you wont need to worry about external amps and go with a receiver that doesn't have preouts and again spend that savings on more subs cause subs are the easiest upgrade to quantify in a system I believe.

If you do go preouts and can accommodate active speakers JBL LSR305 are a steal for how amazing they sound. I have a 5. 2.2 setup of these in our bedroom and they really are fantastic. Decent output and awesome off axis response.

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Honestly if you only want to do 7.x.2 you can get most any receiver. I would take a a few over the x4500 and spend the savings on more subs/better subs. Yamaha 683 its a great receiver goes on sale all the time on amazon and sounds great is missing preouts.
Forgive me, but to realize a 7.1.2 don't do a I need for a 9.2 AVR? The 683 is only 7.2.
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Honestly if you only want to do 7.x.2 you can get most any receiver. I would take a a few over the x4500 and spend the savings on more subs/better subs. Yamaha 683 its a great receiver goes on sale all the time on amazon and sounds great is missing preouts.
Forgive me, but to realize a 7.1.2 don't do a I need for a 9.2 AVR? The 683 is only 7.2.
yea sorry I missed that part your correct. The denon 3600 will work for ya or a Yamaha 2080 or that marantz 6013

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Hello, one dealer is proposing me the yamaha aventage rx-a880. I specified that I want to do a 7.1.2 therefore I need for a 9.2 AVR. He insisted that such item can address my request using the zone 2... Can you confirm?
Moreover he also proposed a couple of Q50a for 1k €, which seems quite high to me but honestly those atmos speakers are quite hard to find.

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Hello, one dealer is proposing me the yamaha aventage rx-a880. I specified that I want to do a 7.1.2 therefore I need for a 9.2 AVR. He insisted that such item can address my request using the zone 2... Can you confirm?
Moreover he also proposed a couple of Q50a for 1k €, which seems quite high to me but honestly those atmos speakers are quite hard to find.
If I read the specs properly, (https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audi...0_u/index.html), no. It's a 7.2 channel receiver. You need one that processes at least 9 channels.

I suggest that you find another dealer.

I wonder whether knowledgeable sorts (not me) would recommend spending 1k € for a pair of "Dolby Enabled" add-on speakers? That's a lot of money for what is generally claimed to give a dubious result.
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Guys I got the following offer:

- nr.2 Vento 886.2
- nr.1 Vento 866.2 Center
- nr.4 Vento 826.2
- nr.2 stand 850.3
- nr.2 AR800
- nr.1 Sub 1500R
- nr.1 Marantz SR7013

The whole package for something around 8.5k €. Do you think it's worth it?
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Guys I got the following offer:

- nr.2 Vento 886.2
- nr.1 Vento 866.2 Center
- nr.4 Vento 826.2
- nr.2 stand 850.3
- nr.2 AR800
- nr.1 Sub 1500R
- nr.1 Marantz SR7013

The whole package for something around 8.5k €. Do you think it's worth it?
If the sound rocks your world and you want to pay for it, then yes -- looks like the price break is on the sub -- the receiver is an expensive one

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If the sound rocks your world and you want to pay for it, then yes -- looks like the price break is on the sub -- the receiver is an expensive one
The sub is where I actually I have more doubts, it's a 500W 12", a SVS SB-2000 has similar specs but should be more performing....
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The sub is where I actually I have more doubts, it's a 500W 12", a SVS SB-2000 has similar specs but should be more performing....
I would go with an SVS sub -- see what they will do with-out the Canton sub in the mix

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The sub is where I actually I have more doubts, it's a 500W 12", a SVS SB-2000 has similar specs but should be more performing....
If HT not music is your main usage, skip the SB (sealed) series and insist on the PB (ported).

The Atmos speakers, rear/side surrounds, and receiver are where I'd economize. Definitely not on the sub. In Europe, SVS is probably the best available option. Do NOT let any dealer bamboozle you into buying a sub that "matches" the speaker brand...any dealer which does, is showing you he's either a complete idiot or a complete greedy sleazebag.

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or a complete greedy sleazebag.
Still crying out... LOL

Yes, I definitely agree, I'd prefer to go with the SVS. The only thing that bothers me is that to match the style of the living I need to go with white speakers and the SVS that I was targeting, the 3000, comes only black. Only the 2000 is available in white but of course is less performing...

The other alternative I was thinking of is the already mentioned Yamaha NS-SW1000, but of course is an expensive alternative...

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Hello, one dealer is proposing me the yamaha aventage rx-a880. I specified that I want to do a 7.1.2 therefore I need for a 9.2 AVR. He insisted that such item can address my request using the zone 2... Can you confirm?
Moreover he also proposed a couple of Q50a for 1k €, which seems quite high to me but honestly those atmos speakers are quite hard to find.
He's either a complete D-bag or really uneducated on what he's selling. You would need Yamaha RX-A2060, Denon X4500 (This years X3600) or Onkyo RZ-830 at the minimum to run your 9 channels.

As for the add-ons, Going with in ceiling speakers would provide the best results followed by speakers (traditional bookshelf speakers can be used with proper mounts) mounted up high on the side walls.

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As for the add-ons, Going with in ceiling speakers would provide the best results followed by speakers (traditional bookshelf speakers can be used with proper mounts) mounted up high on the side walls.
I know that ceiling mounted would be better than upfiring, but with a concrete ceiling I can't do much. I can only make a false ceiling, finding a way to let pass the cable from the AVR to the speaker. Too much job, costs and results may be quite ugly, so I prefer to go with a non-invasive solution. I can't place atmos speakers on the bookshelf speakers because I don't have enough room, so the only feasible option is to have them placed on top of the floorstand ones. BTW, I found the Q50a at 530€, so, far way better...
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I know that ceiling mounted would be better than upfiring, but with a concrete ceiling I can't do much. I can only make a false ceiling, finding a way to let pass the cable from the AVR to the speaker. Too much job, costs and results may be quite ugly, so I prefer to go with a non-invasive solution. I can't place atmos speakers on the bookshelf speakers because I don't have enough room, so the only feasible option is to have them placed on top of the floorstand ones. BTW, I found the Q50a at 530€, so, far way better...
Front height speakers (mounted on the front wall, above the LR fronts) are supposed to give a result that is superior to Dolby Enabled speakers.

Another option is to have speakers mounted high on the side walls, pointed down at the listening position. https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation Click on the "description" tab. This isn't a recommendation for the SVS Prime Elevation speakers, which are (IMHO) overpriced. It is, however, a good illustration. Any speakers that can be mounted angled down would be OK.
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Front height speakers (mounted on the front wall, above the LR fronts) are supposed to give a result that is superior to Dolby Enabled speakers.

Another option is to have speakers mounted high on the side walls, pointed down at the listening position. https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation Click on the "description" tab. This isn't a recommendation for the SVS Prime Elevation speakers, which are (IMHO) overpriced. It is, however, a good illustration. Any speakers that can be mounted angled down would be OK.
For sure I agree with the concept, but feasibility is my problem. Applying those speakers on the wall it means to have wires climbing on it at this is something that I don't want, I can't hide them. Moreover, looking at the TV, the right side has no wall, so a stand is the only option and atmos speakers can be placed only on top of the front ones.

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There are cable hiders (https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Conceal...g=spyonsite-20). They are typically paintable to match the wall.

They aren't lovely, but look tidier than bare cables.

I understand that you may want to choose appearance over performance. I live alone, so I can choose without consulting others.
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