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Recommendations for 5.1 home theater for less than $1000

Hello,

I'm looking for a 5.1 surround setup as well as a receiver for less than $1000. The primary use will be movies/shows/video games. My current set-up is Damson S-Series, which is not working great for us. We got this because we wanted a wireless set-up with smaller, unobtrusive speakers. Part of our original challenge is that we have a ceiling mounted projector with a screen that pulls down in front of a large window and all our video devices exist in the back of the room so we didn't want to run wires. I'm no longer worried about that and would like to replace it with a traditional surround set-up.

Our room is 14' x 17' with a 4'10" pass through about 3'6" behind our couch and a 5'10" pass through in the middle of the wall to the left of our couch. There is also a 2'8" door on the wall to the right of our couch. We are not perfectly centered in this room, the screen and couch are slightly offset to the left of this room with about an extra 1'6" of space to the right.

What i'm currently looking at:

Reciever: Onkyo TX-NR585 and Denon AVR-S740H

Surround: Klipsch Reference Theater Pack (which is about $550 on Amazon right now) and Onkyo SKS-HTC993THX 7.1

Thoughts on these options or any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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Are you set on small speakers -- I would at least aim for some bookshelf speakers, and a sub better than those HTIB system subs

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Are you set on small speakers -- I would at least aim for some bookshelf speakers, and a sub better than those HTIB system subs
No, I'm not. I'm open to other options, the budget is more important.
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These are some real nice speakers and are good for movies/TV/games and music ....

DCM TP160 speakers

Fronts and center
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pair-of-6...cAAOSw7Wxdn0~C

Surrounds
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pack-6-5-...oAAOSwh0ldcRTR

Premier Acoustics PA-150 sub
https://www.ebay.com/p/12024498575?i...RoCpdkQAvD_BwE

Denon receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Denon-Receive...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
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No, I'm not. I'm open to other options, the budget is more important.
So the $1K is for speakers, sub AND receiver?

Or $1K for speakers and subs only?

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Buy a 2.0 or 3.0 system and go from there. Get the biggest and best speakers you can afford within that 3.1/3.0 system. Go from there in the future when you can afford quality surrounds/atmos.


Denon AVRX1500 Receiver - $300
https://www.amazon.com/Denon-Receive...eiver-AVRX1500

Klipsch RP-250f - $549
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Klipsch-RP-...k/292646059982

Klipsch RP-250c - $270
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Klipsch-RP-...y/143418411159
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Buy a 2.0 or 3.0 system and go from there. Get the biggest and best speakers you can afford within that 3.1/3.0 system. Go from there in the future when you can afford quality surrounds/atmos.



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Properly set up stereo speakers can sound amazing - I sometimes have to check to see if my AVR isn't in surround mode when listening to stereo as the soundstage is huge and discreet sounds appear to come from around and above.


So if you start with a pair of excellent speakers you are more likely to achieve good stereo soundstage and imaging and then when you add centre and surrounds later you will have a killer system.
Same with the sub - buy the best one you can now and then add a 2nd later.
Buy the cheapest AVR that does everything you want - upgrading next year to this years model won't break the bank when this years model goes on sale.
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I was thinking 1K for speakers, sub and receiver.
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Properly set up stereo speakers can sound amazing - I sometimes have to check to see if my AVR isn't in surround mode when listening to stereo as the soundstage is huge and discreet sounds appear to come from around and above.


So if you start with a pair of excellent speakers you are more likely to achieve good stereo soundstage and imaging and then when you add centre and surrounds later you will have a killer system.
Same with the sub - buy the best one you can now and then add a 2nd later.
Buy the cheapest AVR that does everything you want - upgrading next year to this years model won't break the bank when this years model goes on sale.
This is probably the smarter way to go. It seems I would need to start at 2.0 or 3.0 to make the savings worthwhile.
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This is probably the smarter way to go. It seems I would need to start at 2.0 or 3.0 to make the savings worthwhile.
3.0 -- do not leave out the center to start with

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If you could push your budget by just 98.00 you could get a killer 3.0 Polk setup with the Denon X1500H - Total $1,097. Those 703's do have good low end so you won't miss a sub too much while you save.

LSiM 703 - 3 way bookshelf speakers - $449 a pair
https://www.adorama.com/pklsm703mvc2...ce=rflaid62905

LSiM 706C - Center channel - $349
https://www.adorama.com/pkalsim706cc...ce=rflaid62905

X1500H - $299
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX...0H.html?tp=179
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3.0 -- do not leave out the center to start with
Depends on your seating - if you only sit directly in the middle (or 2 of you sit side-by-side and each only slightly offcentre) then phantom imaging of the centre works just as well.
In my set up with just stereo selected you absolutely cannot tell there is no centre speaker playing - voices etc are still firmly defined to the centre of the screen.


Every speaker and room is different but to give you an idea I did not get this centre imaging until I moved my L and R mains (small bookshelfs with just 4.5" mids and 1" tweeter) out from the back wall about 20" and in from the side walls about 12" and toed them in so they were aimed just to the left and right of the central MLP, not directly at it. My room is 14.5' wide an this placed the L and R at just under the recommended 30deg angle from the MLP.


And to give you an idea of my perception/point of view - I have 13 identical speakers and multiple subs in a 7.x.6 Atmos setup and it still surprises when stereo sounds almost as immersive as Atmos and I have occasionally found myself listening in stereo thinking I was listening in surround and not even noticing - stereo really can be that good.
On a side note I have absolutely no idea how 2 speakers can make sound appear to be coming from the top of my front wall nearly 6' above the speakers and at the same time coming from directly to the side of me - and I am talking about discreet sounds here not just the same sound coming from all around.

But yes a centre is preferable as you may not be able to set up phantom imaging depending on room setting etc.
And an identical centre speaker to match your left and right mains is even more preferable.


And if you use most of your budget on really good mains but still want a sub I would suggest just buying a $50 secondhand one and upgrading sooner rather than spending $2-250 on an average sub and upgrading later as you will probably lose more than $50 upgrading.


In a nutshell - spend all your money on really good Left Right and (maybe) Centre speakers first.
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Depends on your seating - if you only sit directly in the middle (or 2 of you sit side-by-side and each only slightly offcentre) then phantom imaging of the centre works just as well.
In my set up with just stereo selected you absolutely cannot tell there is no centre speaker playing - voices etc are still firmly defined to the centre of the screen.


But yes a centre is preferable as you may not be able to set up phantom imaging depending on room setting etc.
And an identical centre speaker to match your left and right mains is even more preferable.
Agreed. A center is important but if one is going to scale back in order to get higher quality components, the center can wait.

I'd also suggest going with an Onkyo 9.2 with preouts for up to 11.2 down the road. The Onkyo RZ730 is $500 and can probably be had for less on Black Friday.

Speakers I'd look at the something like the Klipsch RP-600M, or the RP 5000s.

If the OP wanted a decent temporary center channel, he could buy one NHT Super Zero 2.1 and then buy a 2nd and repurpose them as surrounds down the road.
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Depends on your seating - if you only sit directly in the middle (or 2 of you sit side-by-side and each only slightly offcentre) then phantom imaging of the centre works just as well.
In my set up with just stereo selected you absolutely cannot tell there is no centre speaker playing - voices etc are still firmly defined to the centre of the screen. Every speaker and room is different but to give you an idea I did not get this centre imaging until I moved my L and R mains (small bookshelfs with just 4.5" mids and 1" tweeter) out from the back wall about 20" and in from the side walls about 12" and toed them in so they were aimed just to the left and right of the central MLP, not directly at it
All quite plausible, and true for a significant number of folks who are quite satisfied with a phantom center.

However, there is one big and indisputable advantage of a physical center has over a phantom one: the physical center level (in the receiver) can be set higher (boosted) than the L/R speakers if desired by the user which can be very useful when watching video content that has been poorly engineered resulting in hard-to-understand dialogue. It does work a good deal better than the "dialogue enhancement" or "night mode" setting that many receivers offer which try to do the same thing electronically.

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Thank you all, this is very helpful. I had previously read that the center is arguably the most important speaker but it sounds like you all are saying the 2 mains should be my focus. Either way, I think i'm leaning toward a 3.0 with 2 bookshelf mains. what would you recommend to fit this budget?
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Thank you all, this is very helpful. I had previously read that the center is arguably the most important speaker but it sounds like you all are saying the 2 mains should be my focus. Either way, I think i'm leaning toward a 3.0 with 2 bookshelf mains. what would you recommend to fit this budget?
I didn't mean you should lean towards 2.0 - I just meant if that is all you can afford at the moment then it will suffice. If you can go to a 3.0 setup and get really good speakers in your budget then that would be preferable, as you seem to be wanting to do
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Thank you all, this is very helpful. I had previously read that the center is arguably the most important speaker but it sounds like you all are saying the 2 mains should be my focus. Either way, I think i'm leaning toward a 3.0 with 2 bookshelf mains. what would you recommend to fit this budget?

The Polk/Denon 3.0 system that cocrh recommended would be very nice, if you could stretch the budget slightly. Or the system I recommended.
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Thank you all, this is very helpful. I had previously read that the center is arguably the most important speaker but it sounds like you all are saying the 2 mains should be my focus. Either way, I think i'm leaning toward a 3.0 with 2 bookshelf mains. what would you recommend to fit this budget?
No, do not misunderstand -- your system is mainly movies/TV/games and you have the budget for a decent/nice 3.0 system to start -- look at the Polk 3.0 that was listed above

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I know this is a little silly but I don’t want wood colored speakers. It would be nice to keep the speakers to $700 or less but I’d be willing to stretch a little if the added value seemed worthwhile.

What do you think about Klipsch R-41PM or RP-400M for the mains and R-52C for center? Or should I be looking at a different brand? I definitely like the idea of getting the best 3.0 I can get and upgrading down the road.
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I know this is a little silly but I don’t want wood colored speakers. It would be nice to keep the speakers to $700 or less but I’d be willing to stretch a little if the added value seemed worthwhile.

What do you think about Klipsch R-41PM or RP-400M for the mains and R-52C for center? Or should I be looking at a different brand? I definitely like the idea of getting the best 3.0 I can get and upgrading down the road.
If you wanted to go Klipsch stick only to the RP series as it has better high end that is not as fatiguing as the older R series.
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The Polk LSiM's 703's do come in black but the 706C center in black is out of stock.
https://www.adorama.com/pklsim703b2....ce=rflaid62905
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What do you think about Klipsch R-41PM or RP-400M for the mains and R-52C for center? Or should I be looking at a different brand? I definitely like the idea of getting the best 3.0 I can get and upgrading down the road.
They would drive me out of the room, however you may love them

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The Polk LSiM's 703's do come in black but the 706C center in black is out of stock.
https://www.adorama.com/pklsim703b2....ce=rflaid62905
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What do you think about Klipsch R-41PM or RP-400M for the mains and R-52C for center? Or should I be looking at a different brand? I definitely like the idea of getting the best 3.0 I can get and upgrading down the road.
The RP series would be a better choice if you were going to go with Klipsch.

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What do you think about Klipsch R-41PM or RP-400M for the mains and R-52C for center? Or should I be looking at a different brand? I definitely like the idea of getting the best 3.0 I can get and upgrading down the road.
They would drive me out of the room, however you may love them
Why is that?
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On a budget, I would also look at the Sony Core Series Bookshelf speakers; especially if you can wait and see if they go on sale for the holidays as is often the case. When they are priced right you pair them with an entry level receiver and still have enough for a decent $400 sub from Hsu or RSL and still escape for under $1000 with a pretty good 5.1 setup.
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Would black wood grain be okay?

The next step up for DCM TFE for front and center:
DCM-MTX-Audio-2-Way-Bookshelf-Speakers-Center-Channel-Speaker-Home-Audio

And black DCM TP160S for surrounds:
6-5-Bookshelf-Home-Theater-Speakers-100W-RMS-DCM-MTX-Audio-TP160S-B-2-Pack

You could still pick up a sub an receiver and be under $1000 total.
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Bright and forward to me -- but if you can find a good return policy, then test them out as they may float your boat

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Klipch speakers tend be polarizing in that people seem to either love them or hate them. I'm in the hate them camp but I know many people who are happy with theirs.
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Would black wood grain be okay?

The next step up for DCM TFE for front and center:
DCM-MTX-Audio-2-Way-Bookshelf-Speakers-Center-Channel-Speaker-Home-Audio

And black DCM TP160S for surrounds:
6-5-Bookshelf-Home-Theater-Speakers-100W-RMS-DCM-MTX-Audio-TP160S-B-2-Pack

You could still pick up a sub an receiver and be under $1000 total.
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