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Help Choosing In Wall Speakers

Hi, I am looking for some inwall speakers. I am looking to set up a 5.1.4 setup, I have a budget of around 2,600 for all 9 speakers, I can be somewhat flexible on the budget. I know that In-Wall speakers are not the best but they are not for me they are for parents who are doing some minor renovations and as part of it, they are going to be upgrading their ht setup. I have been looking at some speakers like the Bowers and Wilkins, Kef, Revel, and Definitive Speakers but I don't know where to start. I know there will be 4 speakers in the ceiling for atmos, 2 rears and left right and center. For the sub, it will most probably be an svs sub. I plan on pairing the speakers to the Denon x3600 receiver or the Marantz sr-6014.
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I went with klipsch pro for 2 inceiling rear 2 in wall L/R and an in wall center powered off onkyo txrz830.
Got them dialed in nice now and I can’t even turn up past the reference volume. I have no need to either. They sound incredible for movies and music as well. Wife is always complaining to turn it down
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Recommend looking at Paradigm. I used the Paradigm Pro series in a basement HT. Clarity of the voices is just excellent, which is critical for older parents.
I actually used an in ceiling speaker for the center channel to save money. Works much better than expected. No where near as "point source" as I thought and blends nicely.
I did the same set up as you.
KEF is too expensive...I strongly looked at going with them.

My buddy has the Klipse. I can say it all comes down to you get what you pay for. I strongly recommend the Paradigms.

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check out axiom audio in for in wall speakers

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Thank you all I will look at all of those options.
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Does anyone have options on On Wall Speakers ?
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I'd look at Revel and Kef. Both great companies that make speakers that measure and sound very good.
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I'd look at Revel and Kef. Both great companies that make speakers that measure and sound very good.
great thanks for the help and would I be better off with On-wall or In-wall Speakers ?
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great thanks for the help and would I be better off with On-wall or In-wall Speakers ?
Well, on wall speakers will be easier to install, but despite the effort or labor to install, I think In walls have some big advantages. On walls are a severely compromised design as the cabinets will by very tiny...they will have somewhat normal width and height but the depth is so limited that overall cabinet volume will be minuscule which severely hampers performance. They are also not nearly as unobtrusive aesthetically as completely flush mounted in wall speakers. In walls also benefit from *much* larger enclosure space which give them much greater capability.

IMO, on walls are a one step up compromise from a sound bar due to WAF.

I have in wall surrounds and they aesthetically almost completely disappear into the room...its a double win...excellent WAF and superb capability. It matters to me too that I don't have big boxes hanging off the walls in my living room, and I get much better performance while I'm at it due to the large enclosure(the wall).....Audysey set my surrrounds to 40 Hz, and they are the smallest and cheapest in walls made by Revel.
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Well, on-wall speakers will be easier to install, but despite the effort or labor to install, I think In walls have some big advantages. On walls are a severely compromised design as the cabinets will by very tiny...they will have somewhat normal width and height but the depth is so limited that overall cabinet volume will be minuscule which severely hampers performance. They are also not nearly as unobtrusive aesthetically as completely flush-mounted in-wall speakers. In walls also benefit from *much* larger enclosure space which gives them much greater capability.

IMO, on walls are a one-step up compromise from a soundbar due to WAF.

I have in-wall surrounds and they aesthetically almost completely disappear into the room...its a double win...excellent WAF and superb capability. It matters to me too that I don't have big boxes hanging off the walls in my living room, and I get much better performance while I'm at it due to the large enclosure(the wall).....Audyssey set my surrounds to 40 Hz, and they are the smallest and cheapest in walls made by Revel.
Ahh ok, the issue is most in-walls I have seen or not made for retro-fit and the ones that are outside of the budget. it's hard to find in-walls that have multiple drivers and are within the 5-700 dollars since that is what they want to spend on the fronts and since they want to do 5.1.4 setup I need to find them 9 speakers in total plus a sub and with a 2600.00 budget for all the speakers without the sub its hard to keep in budget and still wanting good quailty speakers.
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So I have been doing some research and now Floor standing speakers are an option and I have been looking at Golden ear, Revel, Kef and other brands. Is there any particular brand and model one can recommend for watching tv and movies mostly and music sometimes, the budget is still around 2600 but I can go up to 3300 Max. The budget needs to cover the 3 front speakers and 2 rears.
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I purchased some InWall Tech HD-650 speakers and think they sound great Previously used Dynaudio Audience 40"s.

here are the specs

Woofer: 6 1/2" Provlar™ Woofers (new improved version of Kevlar) with butyl rubber surround, 1" voice coil, 22 oz. magnet with vented pole piece
-Tweeter: 1" Pure Zelenium™ Dome pivots 30 degrees, ferro-fluid cooled, neodymium magnet, wide dispersion design
-Crossover: Phonalic Heavy Duty Reinforced PCB board, independent 12 db woofer section, 12 db tweeter section, Polyimide auto protect over power reset automatic switch, Gold plated terminal posts will accept up to 14 AWG wire.
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So I have been doing some research and now Floor standing speakers are an option and I have been looking at Golden ear, Revel, Kef and other brands. Is there any particular brand and model one can recommend for watching tv and movies mostly and music sometimes, the budget is still around 2600 but I can go up to 3300 Max. The budget needs to cover the 3 front speakers and 2 rears.
I would keep Revel on a short list
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I would keep Revel on a short list
Yes I was looking at Revel in fact I went to a Revel dealer and am getting a quote for these speakers:

Front L & R: Revel Concerta2 F35
Center: Revel Concerta2 C25
Rears: Revel C263
and for atmos speakers, I am using these speakers: Sonance Mag6R

But I am not sure about the rears because they recommended in-ceiling speakers for the rears and I would prefer in walls or on walls for the rears. Is there any recommendations on those choices.
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But I am not sure about the rears because they recommended in-ceiling speakers for the rears and I would prefer in walls or on walls for the rears. Is there any recommendations on those choices.
Hope they give you a good deal ... look at Revel W263 or W363 ... W263 is cheaper
https://www.revelspeakers.com/produc...all/W263-.html

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Hope they give you a good deal ... look at Revel W363
https://www.revelspeakers.com/suppor...all/W363-.html
I will take a look at that one for the rear speakers. I think they are, they said they would email me a quote tomorrow.
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I will take a look at that one for the rear speakers. I think they are, they said they would email me a quote tomorrow.
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I will take a look at that one for the rear speakers. I think they are, they said they would email me a quote tomorrow.
If your dealer is giving you decent pricing, you should be able to get a pair of the slightly larger and more capable F36, C25 center, and W263 surrounds for less than the lower end of your budget. In fact, you should be able to move up a few notches on the surrounds. I have the W263 in walls for surrounds and very happy with them. In all honesty, their measured response on the top end is a little sketchy but is really good 10KHz and down, which I think probably matters the most. FWIW, I'm really happy with them for surround use. Since I may not be in this house for very long I opted to go with Revels cheapest in wall speaker for the surrounds.
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If your dealer is giving you decent pricing, you should be able to get a pair of the slightly larger and more capable F36, C25 center, and W263 surrounds for less than the lower end of your budget. In fact, you should be able to move up a few notches on the surrounds. I have the W263 in walls for surrounds and very happy with them. In all honesty, their measured response on the top end is a little sketchy but is really good 10KHz and down, which I think probably matters the most. FWIW, I'm really happy with them for surround use. Since I may not be in this house for very long I opted to go with Revels cheapest in-wall speaker for the surrounds.
Really, well when I spoke to him he said it would be around 2900 inc tax but he said he would have to double-check when he goes back to his office and writes me up an estimate for the Revel speakers I have listed above. I can post the exact price tomorrow once I get the estimate.
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We seem to be in a similar situation. I'm currently looking at putting together a 5.1.4 system with in-walls, and a budget of $3k (I already have the sub). I'm looking at W583s for L/R, and M8 for Sr/Sl. Haven't chosen the ceilings or a center yet. Interested in what you end up going with.
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We seem to be in a similar situation. I'm currently looking at putting together a 5.1.4 system with in-walls, and a budget of $3k (I already have the sub). I'm looking at W583s for L/R, and M8 for Sr/Sl. Haven't chosen the ceilings or a center yet. Interested in what you end up going with.
I will make sure to update this thread with what I decided on but for the atmos speakers I choose these: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sonance...?skuId=5852330 because they are cheap and for atmos, I don't it matters if it matches.
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We seem to be in a similar situation. I'm currently looking at putting together a 5.1.4 system with in-walls, and a budget of $3k (I already have the sub). I'm looking at W583s for L/R, and M8 for Sr/Sl. Haven't chosen the ceilings or a center yet. Interested in what you end up going with.
Well, These are the speakers I ended up buying:

Revel F35 for the Front Left Right Speakers
Revel C25 for the Center
Revel C763Ls for the Rear Speakers
Revel C363 for the Atmos Speakers
and this is for a 5.1.4 Setup. For the Sub, I choose the SVS SB-2000.
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Well, These are the speakers I ended up buying:

Revel F35 for the Front Left Right Speakers
Revel C25 for the Center
Revel C763Ls for the Rear Speakers
Revel C363 for the Atmos Speakers
and this is for a 5.1.4 Setup. For the Sub, I choose the SVS SB-2000.
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Well, These are the speakers I ended up buying:

Revel F35 for the Front Left Right Speakers
Revel C25 for the Center
Revel C763Ls for the Rear Speakers
Revel C363 for the Atmos Speakers
and this is for a 5.1.4 Setup. For the Sub, I choose the SVS SB-2000.
Seems like a great set up. Just a question on the Atmos, as I’m deciding between the 6in vs. 8in. How did you decide on 6 vs 8?
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Seems like a great set up. Just a question on the Atmos, as I’m deciding between the 6in vs. 8in. How did you decide on 6 vs 8?


So I am actualy configuring ordering and setting up this HT upgrade for my parents and they wanted a 6" speaker and after explaining the differences they chose the 6" speaker.


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.....after explaining the differences they chose the 6" speaker.
Interested in the differences you explained. As somewhat of a speaker noob, basically I would assume the 8" would allow lower frequencies vs. 6". But, also being completely new to Atmos, that may not matter for the ceiling speakers. I would think that the 8" might allow for better music reproduction with the lower frequencies (and maybe louder?).
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