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Help critiquing my system

Was wondering if someone could chime in and point me in the right direction.

I was wanting to upgrade my system for some better sound for music and movies.

System:

JBL Studio 230 bookshelf
JBL 230 center channel
Pioneer VSX-1015TX MOS FET
Rogers Speed Woofer.

I like the sub woofer a lot it's great for watching movies.

Should I upgrade to a better receiver or upgrade the bookshelf studio 230's.

Or both lol...

There are a lot of great sales out there for the holidays.

The system the way it's set-up sounds just ok.

Would it be the receiver that's limiting better sound or should I upgrade to a better grade of speakers. My goal is to hopefully get some pretty decent sound from a basic set-up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks...
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Was wondering if someone could chime in and point me in the right direction.

I was wanting to upgrade my system for some better sound for music and movies.

System:

JBL Studio 230 bookshelf
JBL 230 center channel
Pioneer VSX-1015TX MOS FET
Rogers Speed Woofer.

I like the sub woofer a lot it's great for watching movies.

Should I upgrade to a better receiver or upgrade the bookshelf studio 230's.

Or both lol...

There are a lot of great sales out there for the holidays.

The system the way it's set-up sounds just ok.

Would it be the receiver that's limiting better sound or should I upgrade to a better grade of speakers. My goal is to hopefully get some pretty decent sound from a basic set-up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks...
What's your budget? How far do you want to go in terms of # of speakers? 5.1? 5.2? Size of room?

The first thing I'd do is replace the JBLs. If you want 5.1 or greater you could redeploy the JBLs as surround speakers.

Your sub is very good. Depending on room size and budget, it could help to add a 2nd RSL sub.
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My room 12x14 hardwood floors no carpet.

I'm pretty happy with the single Rogers Speed Woofer.

Budget to burn $500 to $800 max.

Oh, I also have the Home Theater Direct speaker stands. Pretty nice and solid bookshelf stands.

I know someone that will purchase my JBL speakers at only a $80 loss for me.
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My room 12x14 hardwood floors no carpet.

I'm pretty happy with the single Rogers Speed Woofer.

Budget to burn $500 to $800 max.

Oh, I also have the Home Theater Direct speaker stands. Pretty nice and solid bookshelf stands.

I know someone that will purchase my JBL speakers at only a $80 loss for me.
I'd spend your whole budget on new front left/right and center and sell your JBLs. If and when you want to add surrounds you can spend more at that time. For your room size the single RSL should be ok. I'd also throw down some area rugs or something to soften your acoustics. Hard surfaces such as hardwood are not good for quality sound.

Adorama has a good deal on Polk LSiM 703s for $449 per pair (regular $1500). You could then pair it with the Polk Audio LSiM 704c for $299 at Amazon.
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My room 12x14 hardwood floors no carpet.

I'm pretty happy with the single Rogers Speed Woofer.

Budget to burn $500 to $800 max.

Oh, I also have the Home Theater Direct speaker stands. Pretty nice and solid bookshelf stands.

I know someone that will purchase my JBL speakers at only a $80 loss for me.
You didn't specify what exactly it is about your current speakers' sound that is lackluster to your ears, but my guess is, with all hardwood floors the sound is probably a bit too aggressive or harsh on the treble? Do the mids seem a bit fuzzy or recessed?

Also, what % of your listening is music vs HT/TV/gaming?

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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I'd spend your whole budget on ... some area rugs or something to soften your acoustics. ....
My apologies for hijacking this post, but I want to make the point that no speakers will sound good in a really bad room (except headphones). Clapping hands should die down and produce no audible resonance.

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My room 12x14 hardwood floors no carpet. I'm pretty happy with the single Rogers Speed Woofer.
And that's the two areas to treat, bass and everything else. If you're happy with your woofer, lets not discuss bass room treatment.

While you may want to finish with commercial sound treatments, you can test with things like pillows and blankets (and beds, couches, couch cushions, etc.), but you need a lot of them. Cover the floor ~2" deep. Hang blankets 2" deep over the speakers (side/rear, not front). Pile stuff behind you. Make the room feel different to you, and I bet the speakers sound better...

Then, try different arrangements to see how they sound, and what you might like. Front wall and rear wall reflections are 100% bad. Same with floor and ceiling reflections. Side wall reflections are ~50% bad; you need some reflections for good sound. Consider diffusers, too...

Buying new speakers is easier, I admit, but they really need a good home.

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter 007 View Post
Was wondering if someone could chime in and point me in the right direction.

I was wanting to upgrade my system for some better sound for music and movies.

System:

JBL Studio 230 bookshelf
JBL 230 center channel
Pioneer VSX-1015TX MOS FET
Rogers Speed Woofer.

I like the sub woofer a lot it's great for watching movies.

Should I upgrade to a better receiver or upgrade the bookshelf studio 230's.

Or both lol...

There are a lot of great sales out there for the holidays.

The system the way it's set-up sounds just ok.

Would it be the receiver that's limiting better sound or should I upgrade to a better grade of speakers. My goal is to hopefully get some pretty decent sound from a basic set-up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks...
Well those are pretty good speakers and the receiver was great for its day in 2005 but lacks modern EQ and HDMI.

But if you don't mind not having HDMI switching on the receiver there is something to do.

The Pioneer you have was the flagship model back then and it does have rudimentary auto EQ but it does have manual EQ and is powerful at 120 watts/channel and THX rated.

You can probably get better results using the manual EQ.

Your best investment might be this $91 umik to use the free measuring software called REW which will allow you to use the manual EQ in your Pioneer to knock down frequencies showing peaks in your room.

REW is free room acoustics analysis software for measuring and analyzing room and loudspeaker responses.

https://www.amazon.com/miniDSP-UMIK-...4717444&sr=8-1

https://www.roomeqwizard.com/
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I have owned the Studio 230, they are pretty good -- part of the problem is the floor, that floor could use some rugs -- that receiver is not bad, and the biggest difference in sound is from the speakers placed properly in a room that is somewhat speaker friendly.

If you really want to change the speakers then I can give a couple of recommendations

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Ok great....

I'll try the area rugs followed by the acoustic mic and room acoustic software first.

Atleast that will give the speakers a honest try.

Plus if I do decide to upgrade the speakers I can always use the acoustic mic, software and rugs to helpout in auditioning new speakers.

I think this is a solid plan and thank you for all of your get detailed information.


Many thanks....!!!
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Ok great....

I'll try the area rugs followed by the acoustic mic and room acoustic software first.

At least that will give the speakers a honest try.

Plus if I do decide to upgrade the speakers I can always use the acoustic mic, software and rugs to helpout in auditioning new speakers.

I think this is a solid plan and thank you for all of your get detailed information.


Many thanks....!!!
Yeah, they are decent speakers and the receiver is good so the mic should work some magic telling you where to cut some peaks.

Looking forward to your results/impressions.

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Was wondering if someone could chime in and point me in the right direction.

I was wanting to upgrade my system for some better sound for music and movies.

System:

JBL Studio 230 bookshelf
JBL 230 center channel
Pioneer VSX-1015TX MOS FET
Rogers Speed Woofer.

I like the sub woofer a lot it's great for watching movies.

Should I upgrade to a better receiver or upgrade the bookshelf studio 230's.

Or both lol...

There are a lot of great sales out there for the holidays.

The system the way it's set-up sounds just ok.

Would it be the receiver that's limiting better sound or should I upgrade to a better grade of speakers. My goal is to hopefully get some pretty decent sound from a basic set-up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks...
How are the speakers &sub setup?
What sources are you using for music/movies?
How far from the speakers are you sitting?
Hardwood floors? carpet?
What do you feel is lacking or would like improved?

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